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Posted: Mar 30, 2020 - 1:26pm

 rgio wrote:
 R_P wrote: 
Birx has the same numbers as Fauci. Best case scenario is <200K, worst is 1.7M. And there are different numbers from different models.
 
So we've gone from being under control to a best-case of 200k?    Only in the bizarro world that we occupy can you somehow claim victory for only losing 200,000 people from something that was minimized, called a hoax, and ignored for 4 to 6 weeks.

You can hear it now...the October ads that say: "Thanks to this administration's decisive actions and unparalleled leadership, 2 to 3 million people were saved from the ravages of the China virus". 
 
The well-documented idiocy can't be struck from the record, but October is still far away. A lot depends on where the actual numbers will end up. The best case seems unlikely, for it would require "draconian" measures (to be in place now).

Big mortality numbers will not be good for the Reality-TV-Host-in-chief. Despite beautiful TV ratings and (current) job approval.

(Arbitrarily) split it down the middle and you're talking around 0.95 million dead.
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Posted: Mar 30, 2020 - 1:05pm



 R_P wrote: 
Birx has the same numbers as Fauci. Best case scenario is <200K, worst is 1.7M. And there are different numbers from different models.
 
So we've gone from being under control to a best-case of 200k?    Only in the bizarro world that we occupy can you somehow claim victory for only losing 200,000 people from something that was minimized, called a hoax, and ignored for 4 to 6 weeks.

You can hear it now...the October ads that say: "Thanks to this administration's decisive actions and unparalleled leadership, 2 to 3 million people were saved from the ravages of the China virus".   

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Posted: Mar 30, 2020 - 1:04pm



 BlueHeronDruid wrote:
 
Yes. He needs an editor. Or a muzzle.  Next to fake news, he's his own worst enemy.


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Posted: Mar 30, 2020 - 12:51pm



 Red_Dragon wrote:
 

Well, it's an opinion piece, so clearly it's a hoax and another impeachment attempt.
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Posted: Mar 30, 2020 - 12:50pm



 BlueHeronDruid wrote:
 
Oh, that's just CNN - fake news, you know.

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Posted: Mar 30, 2020 - 12:09pm

I, for one, am delighted that the dumpster fire keeps talking about his press briefing ratings. That is very important in saving lives. Very.
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Posted: Mar 30, 2020 - 11:52am

 cc_rider wrote:
White House coronavirus response coordinator Dr. Birx is now predicting 100K-200K deaths if we do 'everything almost perfectly'.

Dr. Fauci's estimates run into millions. Based on reports of individuals and groups ignoring official recommendations, I worry his numbers are more realistic.

No matter what, this is going to get a whole lot worse.
c.
 
Birx has the same numbers as Fauci. Best case scenario is <200K, worst is 1.7M. And there are different numbers from different models.

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Posted: Mar 30, 2020 - 11:41am



White House coronavirus response coordinator Dr. Birx is now predicting 100K-200K deaths if we do 'everything almost perfectly'.

Dr. Fauci's estimates run into millions. Based on reports of individuals and groups ignoring official recommendations, I worry his numbers are more realistic.

No matter what, this is going to get a whole lot worse.
c.

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Posted: Mar 30, 2020 - 11:02am



 black321 wrote:
Are we afraid airlines will disappear if they go bankrupt? Let them fail, someone will acquire the assets rebuild, hopefully for the better...realizing they need capital reserves for a rainy day or risk the same fate. 
 
I was with you right up to the point where my 400k miles on AA disappear!  

As someone who spent 6 years working to repay the government after the Too Big to Fail days, I think you're right.  Let it go.  Good people will find jobs on other airlines, and competition can resume without the need to pay back $12B (in the case of American).  I think you will see a bunch of new airlines appear.  They will have a competitive advantage over everything for a while and will take the best employees from the current carriers.  The bailout will keep the corporation, but the company will likely die a slow, painful death.  
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Posted: Mar 30, 2020 - 10:57am

Trump’s Deadly Mistake in Comparing Coronavirus to Flu
But comparing Covid-19 and flu numbers is a classic case of apples to oranges, according to public health experts and epidemiologists. While the number of flu cases and deaths are estimates that don’t require confirmation by a lab test or death certificate, Covid-19 cases and deaths are being documented as such only if there is a positive result on a lab test.

“It’s an inappropriate comparison because you’re using a different definition of disease,” said Ken Rosenberg, a retired epidemiologist who worked for the Oregon Public Health Division.

Because of the nationwide shortage of Covid-19 tests, very few people are able to get a confirmed diagnosis, making it impossible to know the actual number of cases and deaths in the U.S. In New York City, where the death toll has topped 192, confirmed cases have been reportedly doubling every three days, reaching more than 15,500 as of press time. But even that number is likely only the tip of the iceberg, since city hospitals have stopped testing patients who are not already hospitalized or requiring hospitalization.

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Posted: Mar 30, 2020 - 10:27am



 cc_rider wrote:


 black321 wrote:


 kurtster wrote:

That should be the goal and the way out of this.  Plan will once again become more than a 4 letter word, so to speak.  The short term future might become 5 quarters out again, not next week or next month.  If we do not learn the lessons on depending on JIT too much, we'll get our tit in a wringer again much sooner than later.  sigh.
 
the whole maximize efficiency in the name of profit thing has been a failure of capitalism. that and the excessive accumulation of capital.

 I don't think there's anything wrong with maximizing efficiency per se. Profit is the carrot that keeps the economy moving. I think 'efficiency' has been abused to justify fragile JIT supply chains, poor working conditions, low wages/no benefits, etc. etc.

The crux of the issue, in my opinion, is the rapacious need for shareholders, especially investment institutions, to see quarter-to-quarter profits. At any cost.
Labor costs were high last quarter? Lay 'em off, send the work overseas. Taxes taking a bite? Buy a congresscritter and demand tax breaks, or incorporate offshore, or both.

When efficiency, the 'real' efficiency, increases, workers can produce more with the same effort. Because they're making more product at the same cost, profits go up, right? But where do those profits tend to go? Back to the workers as higher wages? Investment in additional machinery or tools, to further increase efficiency? Not so much. Those profits tend to go to nameless, faceless institutions, whose existence is based on ever-increasing profits, damn the consequences. Look at the recent big tax cut: what did corporations do? Hire more workers? Upgrade equipment and infrastructure? No, they bought back their own stock, to prop up the stock price, to make shareholders happy. But 'shareholders' implies they are real people, but often they're just computer algorithms.

But you and Kurt make a good point: this catastrophe could have far-reaching implications for our economy, and how corporations operate. Once they're bailed out (again), will it usher in a sea change of corporate responsibility? History shows it won't, but this is different. Main Street may finally have had enough of Wall Street's greed. It's going to be very interesting...
c.


 

Cos should be free to use their cash however they wish. underpay workers? ok, the good ones will eventually leave. Have no capacity, or capital reserves for a rainy day? ok, you fail and go bankrupt...oh wait? whats this stimulus deal? 
Are we afraid airlines will disappear if they go bankrupt? Let them fail, someone will acquire the assets rebuild, hopefully for the better...realizing they need capital reserves for a rainy day or risk the same fate. The same can be said for the banks down to mom and pop shops, and individual consumers, who consume like there is no tomorrow, and lack even two weeks of rainy day funds.  When you stretch your economics so thin (efficiency), the least amount of stress will snap it.  
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Posted: Mar 30, 2020 - 10:25am

 R_P wrote:
 

My, the lines seem to be flattening out a little bit more.

Take care my jaundiced friend, catch you in the morning.
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Posted: Mar 30, 2020 - 10:18am

from the front lines...


An Update on the Coronavirus Treatment

Hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin continue to show results for patients.
In the fight against Covid-19 though we might look forward in doom, one day we will look backward in awe. In an article last week, I discussed a promising drug combination to treat the disease. There is now new data supporting this treatment. Since then, Kansas City area physicians, including Joe Brewer, Dan Hinthorn and me, continue to treat many patients, and some have shown improvement. Major medical centers including the University of Washington and Mass General have added hydroxychloroquine to treatment options. So here’s an update, a response to some questions that have come up, and suggestions based on the latest information.
What is the treatment?Physicians are using two drugs in combination—hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin, which I’ll abbreviate HC and AZ—to treat patients with advanced Covid-19 symptoms. We use a regimen reported in a recent open-label trial in Marseille, France, which was updated March 26, and which doctors may modify in any given case.
What is the evidence?For HC, two bodies of evidence support its potential in treating Covid-19: in vitro (test tube) studies and initial clinical reports from the field. After the 2002-03 global outbreak of SARS, a coronavirus related to the one that causes Covid-19, an in vitro study conducted by doctors from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention identified chloroquine (a relative of HC) as an attractive option for prevention and treatment. If added before the virus was introduced, the drug was highly effective in preventing cellular infection. Even later application markedly inhibited infection. Another contemporaneous study showed similar results. As for Covid, a Chinese study published March 9 showed HC has excellent in vitro effects. Other recent information suggests potential antiviral mechanisms of HC and chloroquine.
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Posted: Mar 30, 2020 - 10:16am



 kcar wrote: 

...As for my response to bill13, his bringing up Emanuel's Atlantic piece didn't seem relevant to Emanuel's plan on containing the pandemic. Neither he nor you have explained how the Atlantic piece is relevant. So I don't think I was being snotty. bill13 seemed to want to distract the discussion away from containment plans. Hence my mention of FUD....
 

Emanuel's prior writings and opinions were apparently relevant to bill13 because they confront the reliability and veracity of the author to him. (e.g.: Is the witness a reliable witness?)  They are not especially relevant to me but still.  If someone posted a similar "professional" opinion from a source you may consider dubious (Ron Paul, Bill Frist, etc.), would you question the credibility of the piece based on your knowledge of the authors' histories?  Anyhow, don't toil over a dismissive post; it doesn't really matter.
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Posted: Mar 30, 2020 - 10:08am

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Mercifully, your reply did not show up above. It's hard enough posting on a phone without having to deal with a massive quote hanging above.

Congratulations on missing the forest for the trees. You have a singularly bad habit of focusing on one or two points in a discussion to the point of excluding consideration of the other points.

If you want to dismiss Emanuel's op-ed entirely just because he mentioned out-of-room IV stationing as one example of a means of cutting down consumption of medical supplies, go ahead. I can't force you to consider or discuss the main points of his piece.

Emanuel recommended some general steps the nation could take to minimize the spread of the virus. You want to go on and on about IVs. Frankly, your talk about IVs reads like a desperate attempt to avoid discussion about what steps the government could take to stop the pandemic ASAP.

Can you point us to another piece recommending plans of containment and keeping the economy afloat? I'm interested in discussing such plans. I have no interest in getting into a pissing match about IV stationing. I'm not seeing a lot of pieces about a comprehensive battle plan to get our country back to normal.

As for my response to bill13, his bringing up Emanuel's Atlantic piece didn't seem relevant to Emanuel's plan on containing the pandemic. Neither he nor you have explained how the Atlantic piece is relevant. So I don't think I was being snotty. bill13 seemed to want to distract the discussion away from containment plans. Hence my mention of FUD.

Your OUR country is on the verge of medical and economic breakdown. Would you like to discuss plans about how we can save our collective bacon or do you want to keep posting about IVs? 

Please, if you find other opinions about how we can best contain the virus  while keeping the economy going and helping people survive, post them. 
 
I'm done with IV thing.  Its a dead horse to me.  That you do not understand what it represents to me in my context by now, I can never convey it.

Yeah, I could talk about that.  But when I do it will be more from a recovery perspective.  We are past the rescue.  He's dead, Jim.

So I'm done for the day.  Been up since 11 pm last night (it's 1 pm here now), ripping and writing and enjoying the relaxing witty repartee of the morning here.  Quite refreshing for a change. 

Enjoy, I'm getting flat now.
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Posted: Mar 30, 2020 - 9:28am



 kurtster wrote:
 

Mercifully, your reply did not show up above. It's hard enough posting on a phone without having to deal with a massive quote hanging above.

Congratulations on missing the forest for the trees. You have a singularly bad habit of focusing on one or two points in a discussion to the point of excluding consideration of the other points.

If you want to dismiss Emanuel's op-ed entirely just because he mentioned out-of-room IV stationing as one example of a means of cutting down consumption of medical supplies, go ahead. I can't force you to consider or discuss the main points of his piece.

Emanuel recommended some general steps the nation could take to minimize the spread of the virus. You want to go on and on about IVs. Frankly, your talk about IVs reads like a desperate attempt to avoid discussion about what steps the government could take to stop the pandemic ASAP.

Can you point us to another piece recommending plans of containment and keeping the economy afloat? I'm interested in discussing such plans. I have no interest in getting into a pissing match about IV stationing. I'm not seeing a lot of pieces about a comprehensive battle plan to get our country back to normal.

As for my response to bill13, his bringing up Emanuel's Atlantic piece didn't seem relevant to Emanuel's plan on containing the pandemic. Neither he nor you have explained how the Atlantic piece is relevant. So I don't think I was being snotty. bill13 seemed to want to distract the discussion away from containment plans. Hence my mention of FUD.

Your country is on the verge of medical and economic breakdown. Would you like to discuss plans about how we can save our collective bacon or do you want to keep posting about IVs? 

Please, if you find other opinions about how we can best contain the virus  while keeping the economy going and helping people survive, post them. 
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Posted: Mar 30, 2020 - 9:22am



 kurtster wrote:

fyt  but anyway, its time we spent that capital at home and recirculate it here instead of sending it overseas to be lost forever.
 
So I am not violently disagreeing...but we can't go from the greatest economy ever to getting screwed because we sent capital overseas forever?

There is definitely a middle ground where we produce necessities and financially support those strategic initiatives...but that means regulation.   How is it that we have tax advantages for Pharmaceutical R&D...then allow those organizations to produce their formularies elsewhere to improve pricing...yet paid the most of any country on the planet for prescription drugs?

We have become a cult.  Free enterprise, capitalism, the American Dream.  We believe as a society that these are good things (and I believe they are), but we allow a very strict minority in government and large corporations to distract us from their self-serving deeds with a few sacred words.  

The answers live in the gray (or purple) between the far right and left, but we're too angry and see only red or blue. 
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Posted: Mar 30, 2020 - 9:14am



 black321 wrote:


 kurtster wrote:

That should be the goal and the way out of this.  Plan will once again become more than a 4 letter word, so to speak.  The short term future might become 5 quarters out again, not next week or next month.  If we do not learn the lessons on depending on JIT too much, we'll get our tit in a wringer again much sooner than later.  sigh.
 
the whole maximize efficiency in the name of profit thing has been a failure of capitalism. that and the excessive accumulation of capital.

 I don't think there's anything wrong with maximizing efficiency per se. Profit is the carrot that keeps the economy moving. I think 'efficiency' has been abused to justify fragile JIT supply chains, poor working conditions, low wages/no benefits, etc. etc.

The crux of the issue, in my opinion, is the rapacious need for shareholders, especially investment institutions, to see quarter-to-quarter profits. At any cost.
Labor costs were high last quarter? Lay 'em off, send the work overseas. Taxes taking a bite? Buy a congresscritter and demand tax breaks, or incorporate offshore, or both.

When efficiency, the 'real' efficiency, increases, workers can produce more with the same effort. Because they're making more product at the same cost, profits go up, right? But where do those profits tend to go? Back to the workers as higher wages? Investment in additional machinery or tools, to further increase efficiency? Not so much. Those profits tend to go to nameless, faceless institutions, whose existence is based on ever-increasing profits, damn the consequences. Look at the recent big tax cut: what did corporations do? Hire more workers? Upgrade equipment and infrastructure? No, they bought back their own stock, to prop up the stock price, to make shareholders happy. But 'shareholders' implies they are real people, but often they're just computer algorithms.

But you and Kurt make a good point: this catastrophe could have far-reaching implications for our economy, and how corporations operate. Once they're bailed out (again), will it usher in a sea change of corporate responsibility? History shows it won't, but this is different. Main Street may finally have had enough of Wall Street's greed. It's going to be very interesting...
c.


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Posted: Mar 30, 2020 - 9:13am



 kurtster wrote:

fyt  but anyway, its time we spent that capital at home and recirculate it here instead of sending it overseas to be lost forever.
 

Greed and leverage are central tenets of capitalism. Not that I am bashing capitalism, as it is certainly better than any other economic system, to date...the latter point being key, as we shouldnt rest on our laurels. 
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