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Posted: Feb 20, 2020 - 1:10pm

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 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:

{#Eek} are you serious?  Have you travelled? Come to Europe one day. Top road infrastructure. Free schooling. Universal healthcare. Sexy cheeses.  
 

Yes, yes, but you are taxed at way higher rates . . . and payment of those taxes is not voluntary . . . That is coercion/force . . . you may think you are happy with your life, but your lifestyle is being dragged down as we speak . . . It is only a matter of time until your sexy cheese is spoiled!
 
But.. but.. but.. maybe after millennia of trying the bloody alternatives, maybe we actually want it this way..  it is not coercion at all but self-preservation for the sake of the cheese in all of us. Cheese is a fleeting ephemeral thing. You must take it when it is ripe. At the cusp between its budding potential and waning promise.. These are wisdoms behind which is much frustration and vain searching for fulfilment. Cheese is an art form.  You should come and try it.
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Posted: Feb 20, 2020 - 1:01pm



 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:

{#Eek}
 are you serious?  Have you travelled? Come to Europe one day. Top road infrastructure. Free schooling. Universal healthcare. Sexy cheeses.  
 

Yes, yes, but you are taxed at way higher rates . . . and payment of those taxes is not voluntary . . . That is coercion/force . . . you may think you are happy with your life, but your lifestyle is being dragged down as we speak . . . It is only a matter of time until your sexy cheese is spoiled!
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Posted: Feb 20, 2020 - 12:57pm

The point being, an investment in the good of the commons benefits everyone, even the donors. Try it.  Wait, you probably already do. Have any insurance? You socialist. Pooling risk like that. tsk tsk.
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Posted: Feb 20, 2020 - 12:55pm

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Virtually anyone who is not destitute or on public assistance certainly you and I.
 
{#Eek} are you serious?  Have you travelled? Come to Europe one day. Top road infrastructure. Free schooling. Universal healthcare. Sexy cheeses.  
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Posted: Feb 20, 2020 - 12:41pm

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I certainly don't.  I am a proud anti-socialist Libertarian.  Just like you are a proud leftist.
 
Doesn't the use of a capital suggest Party membership?
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Posted: Feb 20, 2020 - 12:11pm

 R_P wrote:
 Proclivities wrote:
It seems from that article that that guy was more "unimpressed" with the crowd than he was with the candidate.  He doesn't even really mention Sanders, but it is a short excerpt of a longer article.
 
... in a newspaper considered to lean conservative, but preferring/pretending to call itself 'independent'. Like some people do.
 
I certainly don't.  I am a proud anti-socialist Libertarian.  Just like you are a proud leftist.
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Posted: Feb 20, 2020 - 12:05pm

 Proclivities wrote:
It seems from that article that that guy was more "unimpressed" with the crowd than he was with the candidate.  He doesn't even really mention Sanders, but it is a short excerpt of a longer article.
 
... in a newspaper considered to lean conservative, but preferring/pretending to call itself 'independent'. Like some people do.
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Posted: Feb 20, 2020 - 11:57am


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Democratic socialist Bernie Sanders is too far left for Sweden's ruling Social Democrats, official says

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/democratic-socialist-bernie-sanders-too-101300187.html
 
It seems from that article that that guy was more "unimpressed" with the crowd than he was with the candidate.  He doesn't even really mention Sanders, but it is a short excerpt of a longer article.
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Posted: Feb 20, 2020 - 11:24am

Democratic socialist Bernie Sanders is too far left for Sweden's ruling Social Democrats, official says

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/democratic-socialist-bernie-sanders-too-101300187.html

 

Johan Hassel, the international secretary for Sweden's ruling Social Democrats, visited Iowa before the caucuses, and he wasn't impressed with America's standard bearer for democratic socialism, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.). "We were at a Sanders event, and it was like being at a Left Party meeting," he told Sweden's Svenska Dagbladet newspaper, according to one translation. "It was a mixture of very young people and old Marxists, who think they were right all along. There were no ordinary people there, simply."

Hassel was most "impressed" with Pete Buttigieg, though he also liked Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.) and Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.). Eric Kleefeld, assiduous student of foreign politics, provides some context on Sweden's Social Democrats:

Some more context: The “Left Party” he talks about in there is the old Communist Party back home in Sweden. (They changed their name around 1990 or so — wonder why.)The Left/Communists have worked with the Social Democrats in minority parliaments, but never included in cabinet.

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Posted: Feb 20, 2020 - 9:56am

As cool as Kim Deal Gordon...

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Posted: Feb 20, 2020 - 6:34am

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Which segment? 
 
Virtually anyone who is not destitute or on public assistance certainly you and I.
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Posted: Feb 20, 2020 - 6:29am

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The reason why background and lifestyle matters much more to Democratic-Socialist or Socialist candidates than other philosophies or parties is because Socialism is the only philosophy that is asking or more accurately demanding through force and coercion to lower the lifestyles of a large segment of the population as an integral part of their platform ergo you cannot or at least should not ask something of your future constituents that you are not asking of yourself.   Other ideologies and parties including the Democratic party may have the end result of lowering lifestyles, but it is not supposedly intentional and part of their platform, quite the contrary, they all espouse to improve all of our lives as unrealistic as that may be therefore their lifestyles extravagant as they may be are irrelevant to political discussion and is only in the realm of whether you find it personally distasteful or not.  I have always maintained that if you are a Socialist candidate you should sleep on dirt floors because somewhere in the world others have to and you are proposing to increase that number.
 
Which segment? 
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Posted: Feb 20, 2020 - 4:40am

The reason why background and lifestyle matters much more to Democratic-Socialist or Socialist candidates than other philosophies or parties is because Socialism is the only philosophy that is asking or more accurately demanding through force and coercion to lower the lifestyles of a large segment of the population as an integral part of their platform ergo you cannot or at least should not ask something of your future constituents that you are not asking of yourself.   Other ideologies and parties including the Democratic party may have the end result of lowering lifestyles, but it is not supposedly intentional and part of their platform, quite the contrary, they all espouse to improve all of our lives as unrealistic as that may be therefore their lifestyles extravagant as they may be are irrelevant to political discussion and is only in the realm of whether you find it personally distasteful or not.  I have always maintained that if you are a Socialist candidate you should sleep on dirt floors because somewhere in the world others have to and you are proposing to increase that number.
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Posted: Feb 20, 2020 - 4:16am

 haresfur wrote:
 kurtster wrote:

She sure is.  Had to be told what garbage disposal unit in a kitchen sink is and how it works.
regardless ... the debate should be very interesting.  It will be most interesting seeing what questions are asked and not asked of Bloomberg by the moderators.
 
If you lived in a cheap-ass NY apartment with ancient plumbing, the landlord probably wouldn't install one, either. Everyone has different experiences and if that's the worst thing you can come up with...
 
If you lived in any NYC area apartment (not just a cheap one), especially outside of Manhattan, you would never have had a garbage disposal; there would not be a dishwasher either.  I lived in the NYC area for 32 years - I didn't know any apartment dweller who had a disposal or a dishwasher.  Those sort of appliances were only in luxury apartments or townhouses, or homes in the suburbs.  
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Posted: Feb 20, 2020 - 2:45am



 haresfur wrote:


 sirdroseph wrote:
 hayduke2 wrote:
Maybe if Bernie is chosen he’ll pick Alexandria Octavia Cortez as a veep, the attraction to Latinas and enthusiastic folks could be great (I’m still on Warren’s team but we shall see : )
 
Well if it does come down to that, looks like I will be forced to hold my nose and vote for Trump.  First time I will have voted for a major party candidate in 12 years.  I hate that it has to come to this.
{#Sad}
 

Why? Because she's a New York elite?
 

No because he is a Democratic Socialist ideologue and she agrees with him and I don't.  It is that simple.  Not all of us are identity obsessed.  Identity  is only important if it is relevant to exposing an untruth or hypocrisy in what type of image the candidate is trying to present themselves as.    Being elected to the privileged class of American politics and reveling in the lifestyle excesses afforded is already a stark enough contrast to the Guevera styled image of fighting for the people her and Bernie want to portray for me, but it's all subjective.  All of these people are fundamentally flawed including Trump of course, but the flaws of Trump are perpetually and ubiquitous enough to where anything on that subject is quite redundant.   Now you can continue with your redundancy. 
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Posted: Feb 19, 2020 - 3:14pm



 kurtster wrote:

She sure is.  Had to be told what garbage disposal unit in a kitchen sink is and how it works.

regardless ... the debate should be very interesting.  It will be most interesting seeing what questions are asked and not asked of Bloomberg by the moderators.
 
If you lived in a cheap-ass NY apartment with ancient plumbing, the landlord probably wouldn't install one, either. Everyone has different experiences and if that's the worst thing you can come up with...

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Posted: Feb 19, 2020 - 3:09pm

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She sure is.  Had to be told what garbage disposal unit in a kitchen sink is and how it works.
 
I've never seen or used one. I can has my elite decoder ring now?

I guess she picked the wrong 'elite' as well...
Ocasio-Cortez worked as a waitress and bartender in Manhattan up until recently to help keep her family financially afloat after her father died and her mom had to go back to work cleaning houses and driving a bus. Her mother had to leave the Bronx and move to Florida because she could no longer afford life there, she told Vogue.

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Posted: Feb 19, 2020 - 2:24pm

 R_P wrote:
 haresfur wrote:
Why? Because she's a New York elite?

 


 
She sure is.  Had to be told what garbage disposal unit in a kitchen sink is and how it works.

regardless ... the debate should be very interesting.  It will be most interesting seeing what questions are asked and not asked of Bloomberg by the moderators.
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Posted: Feb 19, 2020 - 2:04pm

 haresfur wrote:
Why? Because she's a New York elite?

 


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Posted: Feb 19, 2020 - 1:20pm

 rgio wrote:


 Steely_D wrote:


 hayduke2 wrote:
Maybe if Bernie is chosen he’ll pick Alexandria Octavia Cortez as a veep, the attraction to Latinas and enthusiastic folks could be great (I’m still on Warren’s team but we shall see : )
 
Maybe a Bernie/Pete combo. But I'm still wondering about Amy/Pete.

Sanders won't be able to attract undecided moderates or ex-Republicans if he gets tarred with the socialist label - and you know he will be.

 
As someone who would vote for anyone on the Dem side at this point, I think the Bernie fears are real.  I don't think he can win.  I watched his town hall last night, and he literally would give away anything he thought people would vote for.  He suggested that Medicare for all should include home health aides to keep people in their homes.  As someone with 4 parents in the 80's, that's just a silly statement.  He's going to build millions of houses to help with rents.  He's going to provide free college.  Problem is, we ran out of "rich people to pay for it" in the Medicare for all phase.

He cannot pick Pete.  Amy maybe.  If I were picking for him, I'd look at Kamela and Corey Booker to determine popularity.  I think Corey would be a strong VP for a lot of Dems.

 
Bernie's "electable challenge" is far beyond troublesome. 
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