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Posted: Sep 13, 2020 - 10:42am

Act II: Trump Versus the Virus

“People don’t realize we saved millions of lives,” Trump told the crowd. The President who, in the spring, during the depths of the pandemic, told governors to scrounge up the supplies they needed on their own, claimed to have masterminded “the largest national mobilization since World War II.” In fact, to this day, there is no effective national testing strategy, and even less of one for contact tracing. And the state, local, and public-health officials who were frantically trying to save lives had to push back against his dismissiveness, quackery, and conspiracy-mongering—even though, according to a Washington Post report on “Rage,” a new book by Bob Woodward, Trump was quite aware of how dangerous the virus was. (“I wanted to always play it down,” he said.) He simply chose to lie to the public, further undermining trust.

In North Carolina, Trump added, “We have achieved some of the great numbers, the case-fatality rates—we have the lowest of any major country in the world. People don’t know that because the fake news doesn’t want to write about it.” The United States does not have the lowest case-fatality rate of any major country, unless Japan and India aren’t major countries. And, by another measure—deaths per hundred thousand—the U.S. is doing very badly, and its relative position keeps getting worse. That’s because many countries in Europe that were badly hit now have the virus largely under control, and we do not. It’s true that there are scenarios in which far more Americans could have perished, for example if no distancing measures had been taken at all, or if Trump held indoor rallies at the rate he did before the pandemic. But too many did die, and too many are dying now.

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Posted: Sep 13, 2020 - 9:48am



 kurtster wrote:
There is if you have some form of COPD, especially emphysema, which is
...   ...
Still want to tell me that there is absolutely no downside to wearing masks ?
 
OK.  You're right...there are medical reasons for some not to wear masks.   There are no absolutes (ie Everyone with COPD is better off not wearing a mask), but I'll grant you some. 

I'd also suggest to you that for every person not wearing one "because of an illness", there are multiples who are wearing them because they are attempting to protect themselves from the virus and know they can remove the mask if then need to.  If you have breathing issues and need to be around others....do you fear the mask or the virus?

Accepting your medical reasons as an exemption, you agree that everyone else SHOULD be wearing them? 

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Posted: Sep 13, 2020 - 12:56am

Trump’s Epic Lies Become His Campaign Coronavirus Story Line
It would not seem possible that Donald Trump could sell himself as the hero of the coronavirus crisis, but, as he demonstrated on Tuesday evening, at the Winston-Salem airport, in North Carolina, he is not one to let either shame or the truth get in the way of a boast. The tally of Americans who have died of COVID-19, according to Johns Hopkins University, is now more than a hundred and ninety thousand—a figure that is almost certainly too low, given testing shortages—but the number that Trump was interested in was the crowd size. “I was told fifteen thousand people!” he said. An airport official told the Winston-Salem Journal that he guessed there were seven to nine thousand people there. Some of the people in the stand behind the President were wearing masks, printed with “MAGA” or “TRUMP,” but, judging from videos of the milling crowd and from press reports, few other attendees were. The President certainly was not. He told the crowd that he normally held rallies in indoor venues, “But because of, uh, China, the arenas aren’t working out too well, right? You can’t really do that anymore for a while.”

When Trump said “China,” he wasn’t just using a shorthand version of “China virus,” his xenophobic label for SARS-CoV-2. He was referring to what might be called the Trump 2020 coronavirus story line, which is as epic as it is fictitious. The synopsis, a version of which he offered at the rally in North Carolina, goes like this:

Act I: Paradise Betrayed

“We built the greatest economy in the history of the world, we were forced to close it because of the China plague that came in,” Trump said. Leave it to Trump to dream up a myth of lost greatness about not only America but also about his Presidency. His plan seems to be to use his great failing as an all-purpose excuse—the coronavirus did it, not me. A Trump drama, though, demands more than an unthinking virus—it requires a villain. And so, later in the speech, returning to the subject of China, he said, “We just have the plague. We’ve had other plagues sent by them. I wonder if they did it on purpose. What do you think, huh?” The crowd cheered its affirmation. Perhaps it makes sense to Trump’s supporters that the Chinese government would unleash a pandemic on its own population in a bank-shot attempt to bring him down. It does not, however, make any logical sense. (...)

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Posted: Sep 12, 2020 - 10:18pm

 steeler wrote:

I said wearing masks is not a problem for most people. I do not think most people have diabetes, suffer from a lung disease, or wear glasses.

Even without a law mandating the wearing of masks, I do not see refusing to wear a mask as being about individual freedom for the reasons I previously stated.

Otherwise, satisfied.

 
Okie dokie.

But wrong on glasses.  It is safe to say that at the very least, half of all (western world inhabitants) over the age of 50 wear glasses.  And nearly all over should.

Unless you lived in Cambodia.  Those who wore glasses were the first killed by Pol Pot.  Glasses were an indicator of intelligence there as only educated people needed glasses in order to read.  So was his thinking.  Very soon, no one was wearing glasses anymore.  Whether they needed them or not.

Just a little historical factoid I wrote about in a paper once.
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Posted: Sep 12, 2020 - 9:39pm



 kurtster wrote:

Only a few people have diabetes ?  Only a few wear glasses ?  Lung disease is a minor problem ?

Refusing to wear a mask when the imposition is done without a law in place is an expression of individual freedom, faulty as it may be.

Refusing to wear a mask as an expression of patriotism is not a proper demonstration of patriotism and is in fact an improper demonstration of patriotism, imo. 

I would say the contrary.  Wearing a mask is more patriotic than not wearing a mask.  Assuming patriotism is defined as standing up for what is good for the whole of the nation. IMHO, attaching the concept of patriotism to wearing a mask is an improper association with the notion of patriotism in the first place.

Satisfied ?
 
I said wearing masks is not a problem for most people. I do not think most people have diabetes, suffer from a lung disease, or wear glasses.

Even without a law mandating the wearing of masks, I do not see refusing to wear a mask as being about individual freedom for the reasons I previously stated.

Otherwise, satisfied.



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Posted: Sep 12, 2020 - 7:14pm



 kurtster wrote:

Only a few people have diabetes ?  Only a few wear glasses ?  Lung disease is a minor problem ?

Refusing to wear a mask when the imposition is done without a law in place is an expression of individual freedom, faulty as it may be.

Refusing to wear a mask as an expression of patriotism is not a proper demonstration of patriotism and is in fact an improper demonstration of patriotism, imo. 

I would say the contrary.  Wearing a mask is more patriotic than not wearing a mask.  Assuming patriotism is defined as standing up for what is good for the whole of the nation. IMHO, attaching the concept of patriotism to wearing a mask is an improper association with the notion of patriotism in the first place.

Satisfied ?
 

Head over to the COVID-19 forum before R_P adds a cartoon or news headline to it and you'll see some research regarding your contention about hypercapnia.

(Spoiler alert: too much CO2 isn't a problem)

Regarding patriotism - I agree that we need to think of Americans, and not Red/Blue humans fighting like sheep/cattle for grazing rights.
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Posted: Sep 12, 2020 - 6:49pm

 steeler wrote:


 kurtster wrote:

 You are putting words in his mouth.  He attached no qualifiers to his remark.
 

Context.

But, ok. Then address my comment: for most people, there is no downside to wearing a mask. And my previous comment: Refusing to wear a mask has nothing to do with individual freedom or patriotism. 

Do you agree with both of those comments?
 
Only a few people have diabetes ?  Only a few wear glasses ?  Lung disease is a minor problem ?

Refusing to wear a mask when the imposition is done without a law in place is an expression of individual freedom, faulty as it may be.

Refusing to wear a mask as an expression of patriotism is not a proper demonstration of patriotism and is in fact an improper demonstration of patriotism, imo. 

I would say the contrary.  Wearing a mask is more patriotic than not wearing a mask.  Assuming patriotism is defined as standing up for what is good for the whole of the nation. IMHO, attaching the concept of patriotism to wearing a mask is an improper association with the notion of patriotism in the first place.

Satisfied ?
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Posted: Sep 12, 2020 - 6:35pm



 kurtster wrote:

 You are putting words in his mouth.  He attached no qualifiers to his remark.
 

Context.

But, ok. Then address my comment: for most people, there is no downside to wearing a mask. And my previous comment: Refusing to wear a mask has nothing to do with individual freedom or patriotism. 

Do you agree with both of those comments?
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Posted: Sep 12, 2020 - 6:32pm

 steeler wrote:


 kurtster wrote:
Still want to tell me that there is absolutely no downside to wearing masks ?
 
For most people, there is no downside. That obviously was what rgio was saying. 
 
 You are putting words in his mouth.  He attached no qualifiers to his remark.
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Posted: Sep 12, 2020 - 6:29pm



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Still want to tell me that there is absolutely no downside to wearing masks ?
 
For most people, there is no downside. That obviously was what rgio was saying. Trump and his ilk are not directing their anti-mask comments to those  groups afflicted with conditions that are exacerbated by wearing a mask  that you have identified. I wear glasses and, yes, they often do fog up when I am wearing a mask (although some are better than others on that score). Still just an inconvenience.

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Posted: Sep 12, 2020 - 6:09pm

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There is no downside to wearing a mask.  
 
There is if you have some form of COPD, especially emphysema, which is mostly the inability to exhale CO2 which is how it kills you in the end.  I believe it is a legal medical reason that is an accepted exemption from any requirement to not wear one.  Of course a private business could say sorry, no mask, no service.  Same as no shirt or shoes, no service.  I have emphysema, yet wear a mask in public places and at work, and I have asked people coming into the store to put one on.  I get shortness of breath more frequently while wearing a mask and can only wonder what the long term affects of breathing concentrated CO2  are for an extended period of time.  I could be shortening my life in the same way each cigarette take minutes off of your life. 

And how about those with diabetes ?  Ketoacidosis.  That condition will cause heavy breathing in an effort to expel the build up of CO2 in the body / blood in order to lower the level of acids in your blood.  A mask will get in the way of that and could possibly in an extreme case, lead to a diabetic coma and even death.  Just wearing a mask by itself could cause a build up in acids in your blood due to higher internal CO2 (carbolic acid) in your blood.

When I go out and end up standing in long lines and have a coughing episode, partly from having fresh air restricted for extended periods of time I will loudly say, "I'm ok, it's just emphysema, not Covid."  I had a little cough today at work and the lady I was working with said "oh no, you have a cough" and I had to calm her down and reassure her that it was only from COPD.  I do not leave home without Hall's in my pocket, an albuterol inhaler and some DM cough syrup.  Is what it is.  There is an even much bigger CV 19 story this woman shared about something that happened at her workplace, but due to privacy laws, I cannot.  It is a major Cleveland based Fortune 500 company.

Let's take this one step further.  I can assume that you do not wear glasses, based upon your above remark.  The number one problem that people who wear glasses face from wearing a mask is the constant fogging up of the lenses, obscuring your vision, long enough at the wrong time to stumble and fall or even wreck the car you might be driving, potentially killing or harming yourself and others in your path.  And it's still summer.  Just wait until winter gets here when glasses tend to fog up just from going outdoors in the cold.  Masks will just exacerbate that problem.

I laid out some other points, but they were all ignored and everyone went for the masks, like they are the one sure thing that will save us all or are totally harmless, bothering only the vain or political.  Maybe, but its more of a one size fits all solution that may or may not be helpful.  Having said all of this, I will remind you again that I do wear a mask, voluntarily, even though I have valid reasons not to and especially being that I am a Trump supporter, which I am sure that you find that hard to believe 

Still want to tell me that there is absolutely no downside to wearing masks ?
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Posted: Sep 12, 2020 - 12:21pm



 rgio wrote:


 steeler wrote:


 kurtster wrote:
. . . We still don't know how to treat it. We still don't know how to prevent its spread. Everyone has been on both sides of the mask argument. . . .
 
The weight of opinion appears to be that the wearing of masks helps to mitigate the spread. 

What we do know is that wearing masks does not cause harm. It is an inconvenience.

Refusing to wear a mask is not about individual freedom nor patriotism. It is about selfishness and stupidity.

Trump regularly casts the wearing of masks as a personal choice.  One refusing to wear a mask does not just assume the risk for himself or herself. He or she assumes the risk for others — something he or she is not entitled to do.

 
And if you want to limit the economic damage of the virus and open schools...what do you have to lose by wearing a mask? 

Mask wearing has been a known deterrent in the spread of disease for over 100 years.  The suggestion that "everyone has been on both sides" is wrong.  Fauci told citizens not to wear masks when the supply was limited and frontline health workers struggled to find them.  As cases and PPE grew more plentiful, he has been adamant and consistent about wearing them.

There is no downside to wearing a mask.  The only reasons for not wearing one are stupidity, vanity, or a combination of the two. 
 
Indeed!

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Posted: Sep 12, 2020 - 11:30am



 steeler wrote:


 kurtster wrote:
. . . We still don't know how to treat it. We still don't know how to prevent its spread. Everyone has been on both sides of the mask argument. . . .
 
The weight of opinion appears to be that the wearing of masks helps to mitigate the spread. 

What we do know is that wearing masks does not cause harm. It is an inconvenience.

Refusing to wear a mask is not about individual freedom nor patriotism. It is about selfishness and stupidity.

Trump regularly casts the wearing of masks as a personal choice.  One refusing to wear a mask does not just assume the risk for himself or herself. He or she assumes the risk for others — something he or she is not entitled to do.

 
And if you want to limit the economic damage of the virus and open schools...what do you have to lose by wearing a mask? 

Mask wearing has been a known deterrent in the spread of disease for over 100 years.  The suggestion that "everyone has been on both sides" is wrong.  Fauci told citizens not to wear masks when the supply was limited and frontline health workers struggled to find them.  As cases and PPE grew more plentiful, he has been adamant and consistent about wearing them.

There is no downside to wearing a mask.  The only reasons for not wearing one are stupidity, vanity, or a combination of the two. 
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Posted: Sep 12, 2020 - 7:46am



 kurtster wrote:
. . . We still don't know how to treat it. We still don't know how to prevent its spread. Everyone has been on both sides of the mask argument. . . .
 
The weight of opinion appears to be that the wearing of masks helps to mitigate the spread. 

What we do know is that wearing masks does not cause harm. It is an inconvenience.

Refusing to wear a mask is not about individual freedom nor patriotism. It is about selfishness and stupidity.

Trump regularly casts the wearing of masks as a personal choice.  One refusing to wear a mask does not just assume the risk for himself or herself. He or she assumes the risk for others — something he or she is not entitled to do.

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Posted: Sep 11, 2020 - 10:53pm



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And now for you.

You are really off base here on this one. There is little unknown about my cancer and how to treat it. The only real unknown is what triggers it. I took no one's word about how to proceed with my treatment. I dug and dug. The only thing that was for sure was, that left untreated, I would 100% certainly be dead within 6 months. Based on that, I agreed to throw the kitchen sink at it and did. I had absolutely nothing and I repeat, NOTHING TO LOSE. Period, end of story.

CV 19 ? WTF do we know about it now that is certain ? Who has been right 100% of the time ? 90% of the time ? Not Fauci and certainly not Biden. We are still learning everyday. We still don't know how to treat it. We still don't know how to prevent its spread. Everyone has been on both sides of the mask argument. We are still at the anecdotal stage. The only thing that we know for certain about CV 19 is that there is hard work going on towards coming up with a vaccine.

Your trying to browbeat me into submission with a genuinely specious argument is contemptible. Earlier, you tried to tell me all about my personal situation and why it was the way it was and I promptly refuted everyone of your projections of my actual situation. Go back and reread my reply.

I suggest that you give up your phony concern for my intelligence and personal ability to take care of myself and make decisions, including actual personal life and death decisions in order to make your points. You really sound like a nanny state democrat that assumes no one is as smart as yourselves.

Try another way. You've been put on notice.




Oh no, Sparky. Don't you try that crap on me. 

You've brought up your cancer and treatments before, all on your own, without prompting. YOU made it open to discussion. Your cancer is not some holy subject that only you can bring up. 

"Earlier, you tried to tell me all about my personal situation and why it was the way it was and I promptly refuted everyone of your projections of my actual situation. Go back and reread my reply."

Don't remember this at all. Unless you're referring to your epic deranged honk about IVs. Jesus, spare us. 


"CV 19 ? WTF do we know about it now that is certain ?"

Not much, it seems, if you're a Trumper who doesn't read decent newspapers. 

Trump KNEW back in February that Covid19 was deadly and airborne. He also knew that it was likely to spread widely and rapidly here, based on his administration's reports, including HHS Secretary Alex Azar's desperate warnings—in text and in phone calls with Trump. Trump TOLD Woodward in February that he knew about Covid19's deadliness and ease of transmission and scope of transmission but that he didn't tell Americans all this because he didn't want to spread "panic."

As if the American people were children who had no right to be informed. 

I brought up your cancer to ask you to imagine how you would have felt if your doctor/s had deliberately misinformed you so you wouldn't panic...and then you found out what they were doing. You took responsibility and learned about your illness—but what if you'd just trusted someone like Trump who deliberately misled you? 

Trump did that to all of us. Some didn't believe him. Some did—including the people who ingested bleach or took hydroxychloroquine based on Trump's recommendations.  


"We are still at the anecdotal stage."


We were WAY past the anecdotal stage when Woodward interviewed Trump. Trump denied and denied and denied bad news about Covid19 until it was way too late. Trump should have called for social distancing, mass testing, contact tracing and at least limited lockdown. When it became clear that wearing masks was effective, he should have called for that. Instead he tried to wish the pandemic away. You know it and I know it. 

Trump lied to you as well. Given your increased risk of Covid19 infection, my asking you to examine how you felt about Trump putting YOUR health at risk is not a specious or irrelevant argument. 

You can bluster and pontificate all you want. You will do anything to avoid discussing the consequences of Trump's lies and failures, even when it puts you at risk. 


"You've been put on notice. "


Remember when you snarked at me for responding to your politically oriented posts? Pot, meet kettle. 
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Posted: Sep 11, 2020 - 10:07pm

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Bite me.
 
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Posted: Sep 11, 2020 - 10:03pm

 R_P wrote:
 kurtster wrote:
Yeah, I do ignore this thread as a rule and my posting frequency in this thread proves it. (...)
 
You can read without posting, so that proves nothing. 
 
Bite me.
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Posted: Sep 11, 2020 - 10:02pm

 kurtster wrote:
Yeah, I do ignore this thread as a rule and my posting frequency in this thread proves it. (...)
 
You can read without posting, so that proves nothing. 
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Posted: Sep 11, 2020 - 10:01pm

 kcar wrote:


 Steely_D wrote:


 kurtster wrote:

I'm sick and tired of the insinuation that no one would have died if someone other than Trump was POTUS.  Really sick and tired of it.
 

Literally no one has said that, so you can put the idea aside and maybe not be so upset about something that didn't really happen. There are some real things that are worth being angry about.

(Like, he knew how bad the pandemic was and lied about it to you and the rest of us. It's more widespread, and you're in more danger - especially you and yours - because of how he didn't handle things when he should've.)

 

Can you imagine if FDR had told Americans that "the economy will roar back in no time! I expect 1933 to be a banner year!"

or

"We lost a ship or two at Pearl Harbor, but it's OK. Some people are saying the Japanese did it but I'm not so sure. I think it's the Chinese. But we'll be fine in no time!"
Americans were never going to panic if Trump had told them the truth about the coronavirus. You gain strength by grasping reality and making plans to face sudden changes. 
Kurt, would you have preferred that your oncologist LIED TO YOU LIKE TRUMP LIED TO AMERICA? 

"Kurt, this non-Hodgkins lymphoma isn't such a big deal. I don't think we really need to do anything about it..."
 
And now for you.

You are really off base here on this one.  There is little unknown about my cancer and how to treat it.  The only real unknown is what triggers it.  I took no one's word about how to proceed with my treatment.  I dug and dug.  The only thing that was for sure was, that left untreated, I would 100% certainly be dead within 6 months.  Based on that, I agreed to throw the kitchen sink at it and did.  I had absolutely nothing and I repeat, NOTHING TO LOSE.  Period, end of story.

CV 19 ?  WTF do we know about it now that is certain ?  Who has been right 100% of the time ?  90% of the time ?  Not Fauci and certainly not Biden. We are still learning everyday.  We still don't know how to treat it.  We still don't know how to prevent its spread.  Everyone has been on both sides of the mask argument.  We are still at the anecdotal stage.  The only thing that we know for certain about CV 19 is that there is hard work going on towards coming up with a vaccine.

Your trying to browbeat me into submission with a genuinely specious argument is contemptible.  Earlier, you tried to tell me all about my personal situation and why it was the way it was and I promptly refuted everyone of your projections of my actual situation.  Go back and reread my reply.

I suggest that you give up your phony concern for my intelligence and personal ability to take care of myself and make decisions, including actual personal life and death decisions in order to make your points.  You really sound like a nanny state democrat that assumes no one is as smart as yourselves.

Try another way.  You've been put on notice.
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