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steeler

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Posted: Apr 8, 2020 - 11:28am

Ideas matter. Repeat. Ideas matter. I want to believe that. I do believe that. Ideas have power. Bernie has left a mark, an indelible one.

Forward!
rgio

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Location: West Jersey
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Posted: Apr 8, 2020 - 11:13am



 marko86 wrote:
And that is how we ended up with trump.
 
Biden isn't a woman, and people actually believed the Trump BS about being successful and a good negotiator.  

marko86

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Posted: Apr 8, 2020 - 11:09am



 Steely_D wrote:


 Red_Dragon wrote:
Great. Now we get to choose between two rapists for president. Great.
 

Two men arguing about things they don't remember accurately.

You know, I think this has pretty much put me in the category of folks who think that politics isn't worth thinking about.
 

And that is how we ended up with trump.
westslope

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Location: BC sage brush steppe


Posted: Apr 8, 2020 - 9:08am



 Lazy8 wrote:
westslope wrote:
Conventional wisdom is institutional?     Not sure I follow.  Perhaps you could elaborate.

Yes, of course. A set of assumptions that have been adopted as right and proper for so long that no one examines them anymore.

Like using Imperial units of measure. No one questions it and suggesting something else might work better is seen as unpatriotic, because of course we use miles and gallons! What are we, savages?

And sirdroseph is correct: there is absolutely nothing in our constitution dictating that vetting candidates for the ballot must be subcontracted to political parties—and only to two of them at that. Or that Congress be divided up by party, or that party leadership have any role recognized by  the state. These are all accretions of tradition, accidents of history that have become institutions that most people dare not question. None of them exist as a matter of law.
 

Points well made.  Rich western democracy politics tends to be almost universally dominated by party politics.  From a resource mobilization perspective it makes perfect sense.

The counterfactual to what I stated (my underlying bias if you wish), is that some countries with presidential systems have multiple, relatively strong political parties.
 
Full disclosure:  I am not a fan of the presidential system where the elected president fulfills the roles of both head of state and head of government.   Those roles should be separate.  
Red_Dragon

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Posted: Apr 8, 2020 - 8:43am

Great. Now we get to choose between two rapists for president. Great.
Lazy8

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Posted: Mar 9, 2020 - 5:15pm

Isabeau wrote:
Woa. The hair splitting on selective outrage could crochet a FEMA disaster tarp. 

Who's your daddy?
Isabeau

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Posted: Mar 8, 2020 - 8:39pm



 Lazy8 wrote:
Red_Dragon wrote:

I know you want to see this as a ruling class vs. the proletariat thing, but neither of these kids control who their parents are or what options their families can give them. Yeah, their daddies are both rich, and you could argue that neither of those daddies deserve to be. What does that imply about their children?

What would be your preferred alternative? These two shouldn't be friendly? Should they spit at each other? Should one stick to Martha's Vineyard and the other to Mar-a-Lago?

They are showing more tolerance and grace than most people posting here. Good on 'em. Party on, ladies—get to know each other, listen to each other, strive to be better humans than your ancestors.

 

Woa. The hair splitting on selective outrage could crochet a FEMA disaster tarp. 

Lazy8

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Posted: Mar 8, 2020 - 8:24pm

Red_Dragon wrote:

I know you want to see this as a ruling class vs. the proletariat thing, but neither of these kids control who their parents are or what options their families can give them. Yeah, their daddies are both rich, and you could argue that neither of those daddies deserve to be. What does that imply about their children?

What would be your preferred alternative? These two shouldn't be friendly? Should they spit at each other? Should one stick to Martha's Vineyard and the other to Mar-a-Lago?

They are showing more tolerance and grace than most people posting here. Good on 'em. Party on, ladies—get to know each other, listen to each other, strive to be better humans than your ancestors.
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Posted: Mar 8, 2020 - 12:59pm

haresfur

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Posted: Mar 5, 2020 - 2:25pm



 sirdroseph wrote:


Voting is not a responsibility, it is a right. Sounds pretty Facist to me. Force and coercion so completely uninformed voters can make completely uninformed choices. High vote count to nothingness.

 


Voting is not a responsibility - in your world, maybe

it is a right - apparently not in your world

Force - no; coercion/encouragement? why not. You don't have to vote for anyone here. You don't even have to vote if you want to pay the $250 if they bother to chase you up. I fail to see how a system of seeing how many uninformed voters you can get riled up is any better. If anything people are better informed as they prepare to go vote, not a bad outcome.

If that's the worst thing fascists bring, I wouldn't be so scared of them.




Lazy8

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Posted: Mar 5, 2020 - 2:13pm

westslope wrote:
Conventional wisdom is institutional?     Not sure I follow.  Perhaps you could elaborate.

Yes, of course. A set of assumptions that have been adopted as right and proper for so long that no one examines them anymore.

Like using Imperial units of measure. No one questions it and suggesting something else might work better is seen as unpatriotic, because of course we use miles and gallons! What are we, savages?

And sirdroseph is correct: there is absolutely nothing in our constitution dictating that vetting candidates for the ballot must be subcontracted to political parties—and only to two of them at that. Or that Congress be divided up by party, or that party leadership have any role recognized by  the state. These are all accretions of tradition, accidents of history that have become institutions that most people dare not question. None of them exist as a matter of law.
sirdroseph

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Posted: Mar 5, 2020 - 12:21pm

 westslope wrote:


 Lazy8 wrote:
westslope wrote:
Low voter participation can signal a number of things.

1.  General consent with the status quo and the performance of economic and political elites.

2.  Frustration with a constitution that forces people into narrow policy choices.   Or expressed differently, paternalistically arbitrarily pushes candidates to the median voter.

3.  Frustration with voter disqualification campaigns — a rather unique characteristic of the American system.

4. Despair.

Item 2 above isn't an accurate portrayal of why we have so few options to choose from, and why they stray so little from the current consensus. The constraints aren't constitutional, they're institutional. Conventional wisdom solidified around a status quo that works well for those in power, not those they rule.
 
Conventional wisdom is institutional?     Not sure I follow.  Perhaps you could elaborate.

 
What he is saying is there is nothing in the constitution that is forcing people into narrow policy choices.  It is the false construct of a two party duopoly.
westslope

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Location: BC sage brush steppe


Posted: Mar 5, 2020 - 12:06pm



 Lazy8 wrote:
westslope wrote:
Low voter participation can signal a number of things.

1.  General consent with the status quo and the performance of economic and political elites.

2.  Frustration with a constitution that forces people into narrow policy choices.   Or expressed differently, paternalistically arbitrarily pushes candidates to the median voter.

3.  Frustration with voter disqualification campaigns — a rather unique characteristic of the American system.

4. Despair.

Item 2 above isn't an accurate portrayal of why we have so few options to choose from, and why they stray so little from the current consensus. The constraints aren't constitutional, they're institutional. Conventional wisdom solidified around a status quo that works well for those in power, not those they rule.
 
Conventional wisdom is institutional?     Not sure I follow.  Perhaps you could elaborate.

Lazy8

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Posted: Mar 5, 2020 - 11:57am

westslope wrote:
Low voter participation can signal a number of things.

1.  General consent with the status quo and the performance of economic and political elites.

2.  Frustration with a constitution that forces people into narrow policy choices.   Or expressed differently, paternalistically arbitrarily pushes candidates to the median voter.

3.  Frustration with voter disqualification campaigns — a rather unique characteristic of the American system.

4. Despair.

Item 2 above isn't an accurate portrayal of why we have so few options to choose from, and why they stray so little from the current consensus. The constraints aren't constitutional, they're institutional. Conventional wisdom solidified around a status quo that works well for those in power, not those they rule.
sirdroseph

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Posted: Mar 5, 2020 - 10:03am

 Proclivities wrote:


 sirdroseph wrote:

Semantically you are correct authoritarian would be a better term.    favoring or enforcing strict obedience to authority, especially that of the government, at the expense of personal freedom:
 

Speaking of which, (not related at all really) Elon Musk announced that he had just opened a restaurant on the moon which he had crews secretly working on for years.  The food is apparently fantastic but there's no atmosphere at all.
 
{#Lol}
Proclivities

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Posted: Mar 5, 2020 - 9:54am



 sirdroseph wrote:

Semantically you are correct authoritarian would be a better term.    favoring or enforcing strict obedience to authority, especially that of the government, at the expense of personal freedom:
 

Speaking of which, (not related at all really) Elon Musk announced that he had just opened a restaurant on the moon which he had crews secretly working on for years.  The food is apparently fantastic but there's no atmosphere at all.


buddy

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Posted: Mar 5, 2020 - 8:59am

Warren dropped out, no endorsement yet.
sirdroseph

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Posted: Mar 5, 2020 - 8:55am

 Proclivities wrote:

 sirdroseph wrote:

Voting is not a responsibility, it is a right. Sounds pretty Facist to me. Force and coercion so completely uninformed voters can make completely uninformed choices. High vote count to nothingness.
 
Technically, fascism would allow very few (if any) people to vote, and there would be no opposition candidates, but few people seem concerned about such distinctions anymore.
 
Semantically you are correct authoritarian would be a better term.    favoring or enforcing strict obedience to authority, especially that of the government, at the expense of personal freedom:
westslope

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Location: BC sage brush steppe


Posted: Mar 5, 2020 - 8:34am

Low voter participation can signal a number of things.

1.  General consent with the status quo and the performance of economic and political elites.

2.  Frustration with a constitution that forces people into narrow policy choices.   Or expressed differently, paternalistically and arbitrarily pushes candidates to the median voter.

3.  Frustration with voter disqualification campaigns — a rather unique characteristic of the American system.  
Proclivities

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Location: Paris of the Piedmont
Gender: Male


Posted: Mar 5, 2020 - 8:27am


 sirdroseph wrote:

Voting is not a responsibility, it is a right. Sounds pretty Facist to me. Force and coercion so completely uninformed voters can make completely uninformed choices. High vote count to nothingness.
 
Technically, fascism would allow very few (if any) people to vote, and there would be no opposition candidates, but few people seem concerned about such distinctions anymore.
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