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Posted: Oct 9, 2020 - 2:12am



 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:


 kurtster wrote:
 

While we are all susceptible to cognitive dissonance, that doesn't mean we are all susceptible to equal degrees. At the very beginning of Trumps candidature I asserted that Trump does not meet your own agenda Kurtster. I still believe that. You can toss all the ranting and raving about Democrats out the window. As best as I can make out, this is your agenda:

1. secure our borders against illegal immigration
2. pare back the powers of government
3. drain the swamp 
4. reduce constraints on (small) businesses
5. repeal Obamacare

Forgive any error on my part if I have got this wrong. Please correct as necessary.

Now, hand on heart, after four years in power, how well has he done in terms of your own agenda?
 

Another item for the list, one that Kurt has said is quite important to his loyalty to Trump: import substitution in the form of tariffs and embargoes. I think Trump's approach could be called  a form of "economic nationalism." Trump promised to bring jobs back to America (e.g.in steel, aluminum and manufacturing) and to end "bad" trade deals. 

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Posted: Oct 9, 2020 - 12:43am



 kurtster wrote:
 

While we are all susceptible to cognitive dissonance, that doesn't mean we are all susceptible to equal degrees. At the very beginning of Trumps candidature I asserted that Trump does not meet your own agenda Kurtster. I still believe that. You can toss all the ranting and raving about Democrats out the window. As best as I can make out, this is your agenda:

1. secure our borders against illegal immigration
2. pare back the powers of government
3. drain the swamp 
4. reduce constraints on (small) businesses
5. repeal Obamacare

Forgive any error on my part if I have got this wrong. Please correct as necessary.

Now, hand on heart, after four years in power, how well has he done in terms of your own agenda?
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Posted: Oct 8, 2020 - 10:16pm

 KarmaKarma signals virtue:
Critical thinker vs an ideologue:

 If a critical thinker disagrees with you, he or she thinks you are wrong. If an ideologue disagrees with you, he or she thinks you are evil.

Pick your lane.
 
A "burn in hell" kinda evil?
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Posted: Oct 8, 2020 - 9:54pm

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Posted: Oct 8, 2020 - 9:24pm

Critical thinker vs an ideologue:

 If a critical thinker disagrees with you, he or she thinks you are wrong. If an ideologue disagrees with you, he or she thinks you are evil.

Pick your lane.
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Posted: Oct 8, 2020 - 7:37pm

 KarmaKarma wrote:
Remember this? "We have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it." - Pelosi on Obamacare

Now you have this:


The Dems truly believe their voters are gullible & stupid. 

Do they know their audience well, or what?

Asking for a friend.

(If you have no idea what court packing is all about, I suggest you get educated real fastIf the Harris/Biden ticket were to win, you can kiss goodbye your Republic with its checks & balances)
 
Save your breath.  That's what most here want to happen. They do not want a republic, they want socialism where the state is the head of religion and the bureaucrats their priests. The government to run every aspect of their lives. Open borders.  No more cops and guns. Do whatever their news feed tells them to do.  Trust the government, explicitly as long as Trump isn't running it.  They forget that most of the people who are incompetent and mismanaging things are the career bureaucrats who will still be there once Trump is gone.   fait accompli ...

Few here care, let alone believe in the Coup, even with all of the recent evidence pouring out to prove it.  Now we have Brennan and the smoking gun.  Still, no one cares.  It's cool because the ends justify the means that most here want which is Trump in chains (band name).  They're looking the other way to all of this under the cover of hating Trump.  The hate is so strong, that I believe it is blinding them from seeing exactly what they are allowing to happen, not caring about the long term effects on their own freedom going forward.

Yeah, maybe a bit broad brushed, but I'm just making a point.  You all will do anything and give up everything just to get rid of Trump.
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{#Meditate}
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Posted: Oct 8, 2020 - 7:11pm


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Posted: Oct 8, 2020 - 4:27pm



 westslope wrote:


 Lazy8 wrote:
NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:
Whatever happened to putting food on families?

Worked a little too well.


New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie uses the beach with his family and friends at the governor's summer house at Island Beach State Park in New Jersey on July 2. Christie is defending his use of the beach, closed to the public during New Jersey's government shutdown, saying he had previously announced his vacation plans and the media had simply "caught a politician keeping his word."

 

That was my initial thought.  Glad you said it. 
 


In passing, is anybody aware of the current level of federal subsidies to the agricultural sector?    Is it still well over $100 B?  

 


I'm not sure whether you're using the same yardstick as this NPR piece to measure federal agricultural subsidies but it doesn't look like those subsidies have reached $20 billion for most of the last ten years. In 2019 they reached $22 billion. 

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Posted: Oct 8, 2020 - 4:15pm



 Lazy8 wrote:
NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:
Whatever happened to putting food on families?

Worked a little too well.


New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie uses the beach with his family and friends at the governor's summer house at Island Beach State Park in New Jersey on July 2. Christie is defending his use of the beach, closed to the public during New Jersey's government shutdown, saying he had previously announced his vacation plans and the media had simply "caught a politician keeping his word."

 

That was my initial thought.  Glad you said it.  


In passing, is anybody aware of the current level of federal subsidies to the agricultural sector?    Is it still well over $100 B?  

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Posted: Oct 8, 2020 - 3:27pm


 Lazy8 wrote:
NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:
Whatever happened to putting food on families?

Worked a little too well.

New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie uses the beach with his family and friends at the governor's summer house at Island Beach State Park in New Jersey on July 2. Christie is defending his use of the beach, closed to the public during New Jersey's government shutdown, saying he had previously announced his vacation plans and the media had simply "caught a politician keeping his word."

 
Chris Comorbidity
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Posted: Oct 8, 2020 - 3:21pm


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Posted: Oct 8, 2020 - 3:07pm

Remember this? "We have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it." - Pelosi on Obamacare

Now you have this:


The Dems truly believe their voters are gullible & stupid. 

Do they know their audience well, or what?

Asking for a friend.

(If you have no idea what court packing is all about, I suggest you get educated real fast.  If the Harris/Biden ticket were to win, you can kiss goodbye your Republic with its checks & balances)
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Posted: Oct 8, 2020 - 2:50pm

NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:
Whatever happened to putting food on families?

Worked a little too well.

New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie uses the beach with his family and friends at the governor's summer house at Island Beach State Park in New Jersey on July 2. Christie is defending his use of the beach, closed to the public during New Jersey's government shutdown, saying he had previously announced his vacation plans and the media had simply "caught a politician keeping his word."
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Posted: Oct 8, 2020 - 2:14pm

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:
 ScottFromWyoming wrote:
Justine's relatively little write-in campaign went 100% to this sort of thing. No salaries directly, but printing, newspaper ads, signage. Larger campaigns do pay staff of course but even then I have to imagine the bulk of the money spent by campaigns goes to put food on tables.
 
Whatever happened to putting food on families?
 

{#Lol}
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Posted: Oct 8, 2020 - 11:34am



 sirdroseph wrote:
anger and fear are dead end paths to misery.
 

I thought it was


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Posted: Oct 8, 2020 - 11:27am



 ScottFromWyoming wrote:




Justine's relatively little write-in campaign went 100% to this sort of thing. No salaries directly, but printing, newspaper ads, signage. Larger campaigns do pay staff of course but even then I have to imagine the bulk of the money spent by campaigns goes to put food on tables.
 
Whatever happened to putting food on families?

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Posted: Oct 8, 2020 - 10:34am



 Steely_D wrote:


 sirdroseph wrote:
I think the severe partisanship; simplification and separation that has been fostered and encouraged by the duopoly for so long has been so successful that we have reached the point to where general elections are completely irrelevant.   All of this money, rhetoric, time and hand wringing for what? The purpose of campaigning and debates is to give people a chance to decide between the only 2 candidates that are being allowed to compete.  Does anyone really think there is one human being in this country who needs more time to decide between Trump and Biden?  The answer is no, the saturation is complete, so much money, time and passion spent for absolutely nothing.
{#Frown}
 

A small comfort: "Think of all the money being spent!" is really about the people who do graphic design, scriptwriting, printing, distribution, etc. The infrastructure to the campaign is where the money goes (unless you're Trump and sucking off the funds for personal gain). So, if you're actually spending money on a campaign, you're employing a crap ton of people who are mostly thinkers, artists, writers. There's a bit of good in that.

My sister works as a Hollywood accountant and once I mentioned something about how much movies cost to be made and she responded that the money pays carpenters, electricians, etc. I think the same is true at Disneyland: costs a buttload to go there, but I always walk around looking at the gardening, construction, maintenance, etc. There's some employed people there, and I hope they're being paid properly.
 

Justine's relatively little write-in campaign went 100% to this sort of thing. No salaries directly, but printing, newspaper ads, signage. Larger campaigns do pay staff of course but even then I have to imagine the bulk of the money spent by campaigns goes to put food on tables.
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Posted: Oct 8, 2020 - 9:59am

 Steely_D wrote:


 sirdroseph wrote:
I think the severe partisanship; simplification and separation that has been fostered and encouraged by the duopoly for so long has been so successful that we have reached the point to where general elections are completely irrelevant.   All of this money, rhetoric, time and hand wringing for what? The purpose of campaigning and debates is to give people a chance to decide between the only 2 candidates that are being allowed to compete.  Does anyone really think there is one human being in this country who needs more time to decide between Trump and Biden?  The answer is no, the saturation is complete, so much money, time and passion spent for absolutely nothing.{#Frown}
 

A small comfort: "Think of all the money being spent!" is really about the people who do graphic design, scriptwriting, printing, distribution, etc. The infrastructure to the campaign is where the money goes (unless you're Trump and sucking off the funds for personal gain). So, if you're actually spending money on a campaign, you're employing a crap ton of people who are mostly thinkers, artists, writers. There's a bit of good in that.

My sister works as a Hollywood accountant and once I mentioned something about how much movies cost to be made and she responded that the money pays carpenters, electricians, etc. I think the same is true at Disneyland: costs a buttload to go there, but I always walk around looking at the gardening, construction, maintenance, etc. There's some employed people there, and I hope they're being paid properly.
 
That actually is a good point and some comfort.  Actually there is one purpose behind all of this and that is to piss off any apathetic voters that previously would not have voted to the point to where they will be motivated to go out and vote for their natural proclivity.  Anger and fear are the order of the day and anyone with any sense knows anger and fear are dead end paths to misery. {#Stop}
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Posted: Oct 8, 2020 - 9:44am



 sirdroseph wrote:
I think the severe partisanship; simplification and separation that has been fostered and encouraged by the duopoly for so long has been so successful that we have reached the point to where general elections are completely irrelevant.   All of this money, rhetoric, time and hand wringing for what? The purpose of campaigning and debates is to give people a chance to decide between the only 2 candidates that are being allowed to compete.  Does anyone really think there is one human being in this country who needs more time to decide between Trump and Biden?  The answer is no, the saturation is complete, so much money, time and passion spent for absolutely nothing.
{#Frown}
 

A small comfort: "Think of all the money being spent!" is really about the people who do graphic design, scriptwriting, printing, distribution, etc. The infrastructure to the campaign is where the money goes (unless you're Trump and sucking off the funds for personal gain). So, if you're actually spending money on a campaign, you're employing a crap ton of people who are mostly thinkers, artists, writers. There's a bit of good in that.

My sister works as a Hollywood accountant and once I mentioned something about how much movies cost to be made and she responded that the money pays carpenters, electricians, etc. I think the same is true at Disneyland: costs a buttload to go there, but I always walk around looking at the gardening, construction, maintenance, etc. There's some employed people there, and I hope they're being paid properly.
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Posted: Oct 8, 2020 - 9:18am

I think the severe partisanship; simplification and separation that has been fostered and encouraged by the duopoly for so long has been so successful that we have reached the point to where general elections are completely irrelevant.   All of this money, rhetoric, time and hand wringing for what? The purpose of campaigning and debates is to give people a chance to decide between the only 2 candidates that are being allowed to compete.  Does anyone really think there is one human being in this country who needs more time to decide between Trump and Biden??  The answer is no, the saturation is complete, so much money, time and passion spent for absolutely nothing.{#Frown}
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