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Posted: Oct 1, 2020 - 1:18pm

Governor of Texas works to suppress voting
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Posted: Oct 1, 2020 - 12:49pm

You'd think someone would be able to manage which microphone is on or off...
US elections: Commission takes steps to ‘maintain order’ at next Trump-Biden debates

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Posted: Oct 1, 2020 - 9:43am



 miamizsun wrote:


i couldn't watch because of course i couldn't
-miamizsun

however because of the magical internet i have super objective and precise information from the debate

and i guarantee that there's info in this article that you missed (if you were forced to watch it live)

nsfw

The Trump-Biden Debate



 

Biden: Oh baloney. Antifa is an idea, not an
organization. I heard it means anti-fascist, in which case heck, sign me
up. And anyhow who hasn’t thrown urine at an old lady on a bad day? The
Antifas are just like you and me.


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Posted: Oct 1, 2020 - 9:11am

 steeler wrote:
Trump tweets that he “won the debate big.”



First of all, no thinking, honest person would consider that abomination Tuesday to be a “debate.”

Second of all — and see first point — there were no winners Tuesday. Not on that stage, not anywhere in America. 

If the “winner” was the biggest loser, well then, yeah, you won. 
 

i couldn't watch because of course i couldn't
-miamizsun

however because of the magical internet i have super objective and precise information from the debate

and i guarantee that there's info in this article that you missed (if you were forced to watch it live)

nsfw

The Trump-Biden Debate



steeler

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Posted: Oct 1, 2020 - 9:04am

Trump tweets that he “won the debate big.”



First of all, no thinking, honest person would consider that abomination Tuesday to be a “debate.”

Second of all — and see first point — there were no winners Tuesday. Not on that stage, not anywhere in America. 

If the “winner” was the biggest loser, well then, yeah, you won. 

I am sooooo tired of all this winning.



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Posted: Oct 1, 2020 - 9:02am

 rgio wrote:


 R_P wrote:
Yo sheeple!KooKs
 
Here's where you just shake your head....

OK...he's wearing a wire.  It is in his shirt somewhere...there's something near his hand...he's definitely wired!   Wired for what?  Morse code?  If he's not getting instruction in his ear, what exactly is the wire doing for him?

Oh BTW... you've spent months suggesting Biden's intellectual capacity is diminished.  The notion of the wire is that he's diminished.  If he is wired and somehow can translate signals to answers with Trump bloviating next to him, he's the most intellectually gifted man alive.



some conspiracy just gets recycled... 


NASA photo analyst: Bush wore a device during debate

Physicist says imaging techniques prove the president's bulge was not caused by wrinkled clothing. 

George W. Bush tried to laugh off the bulge. "I don't know what that is," he said on "Good Morning America" on Wednesday, referring to the infamous protrusion beneath his jacket during the presidential debates. "I'm embarrassed to say it's a poorly tailored shirt."

Dr. Robert M. Nelson, however, was not laughing. He knew the president was not telling the truth. And Nelson is neither conspiracy theorist nor midnight blogger. He's a senior research scientist for NASA and for Caltech's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, and an international authority on image analysis. Currently he's engrossed in analyzing digital photos of Saturn's moon Titan, determining its shape, whether it contains craters or canyons.

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Posted: Oct 1, 2020 - 5:03am



 R_P wrote:
Yo sheeple!

KooKs
 
Here's where you just shake your head....

OK...he's wearing a wire.  It is in his shirt somewhere...there's something near his hand...he's definitely wired!   Wired for what?  Morse code?  If he's not getting instruction in his ear, what exactly is the wire doing for him?

Oh BTW... you've spent months suggesting Biden's intellectual capacity is diminished.  The notion of the wire is that he's diminished.  If he is wired and somehow can translate signals to answers with Trump bloviating next to him, he's the most intellectually gifted man alive.

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Posted: Sep 30, 2020 - 9:49pm

Yo sheeple!

KooKs
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Posted: Sep 30, 2020 - 9:47pm



 sirdroseph wrote:
 

Yes, it really did feel like that. But the whole Trump presidency seems like it's a free-f0rm adaptation of a Batman (The Dark Knight) movie. 

I miss Burgess Meredith. He must have had a lot of fun playing The Penguin. And Mickey the crusty trainer in "Rocky." And the foul-mouthed dad in "Grumpy Old Men." 



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Posted: Sep 30, 2020 - 9:11pm



 miamizsun wrote:


or russia



side note: my buffoonery seems to be a bit off, please help


 
Wait. What?

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Posted: Sep 30, 2020 - 8:45pm



 kurtster wrote:

I watched the whole thing, as I usually do.  Upon a mention regarding Trump interrupting Biden, it was Biden who did the first interruption in the debate and opened that door first.  At the beginning, Trump spoke his first two minutes uninterrupted and Biden did as well.  Then when it was Trump's turn to reply, Biden interrupted Trump 3 times and started the decline of the debate with all of his interruptions and direct name calling of Trump calling him a "clown" and even telling him to "Shut Up".  How presidential.  Isn't the rap on Trump that he does not behave in a presidential manner ?  But it's OK for Biden ?  Hypocrite.

And all you do is focus on Trump, who was given the green light by Biden to do as he did.

Don't believe me about the beginning ?  Here, from C-SPAN.  It starts at about 29.30.  Watch and get back to me, eh ?
.

 

Again, I freely admit that I didn't watch the whole debate. I watched a 5:40ish summary of highlights (really, lowlights) of the debate. 

Given the high stakes of political debates, it's pretty natural and common that candidates will interrupt each other. Both Biden and Trump interrupted the other man. Both men insulted the other. 

But Trump was far worse. That's the thrust of most MSM reports on the debate. 

Slate.com has provided evidence of Trump's and Biden's misbehavior to back up my understanding of the reports on the debate. Here: 


 

We Counted Every Single Time Trump Interrupted During the First Presidential Debate




Tuesday night’s presidential debate was not the first one featuring Trump to feel more like a schoolyard taunting contest than an actual debate. But even so, it stood out for one key metric: the sheer number of interruptions.   


By my count, Trump interrupted former Vice President Joe Biden or debate moderator Chris Wallace at least 128 times. This number dwarfed the 51 times Trump interrupted Hillary Clinton during the first presidential debate in 2016. For his part, Biden interrupted dozens of times—at various points either trying to get a word in edgewise or correct flat lies by the president—but his interruptions were no match for Trump’s.

Wallace’s efforts to control the debate were valiant, but ultimately futile. Trump interrupted both men during both questions and answers. He muttered snide remarks under his breath. He talked over the moderator and his opponent. And he just plain cut them off over and over again. Wallace asked the president at least 25 times to stop interrupting and obey the debate rules: “Sir, you’re debating him, not me. Let me ask my question.” “Please let the vice president talk.” “You’ve made your point. Please let him answer.” “You’ve agreed to two minutes, please let him have it.” “No, no, no Mr. President.” “Mr.—President Trump, President Trump, the interruptions.” When Wallace said, “Mr. President, can you let him finish, sir?” and Biden replied, “He doesn’t know how to do that,” Trump interrupted in response to being asked to stop interrupting: “You’d be surprised, you’d be surprised. Go ahead, talk, Joe, talk.”


At one point, Wallace noted that Trump’s campaign had agreed to a rule that allowed each candidate two minutes to answer a question before an open debate period, and that Trump was flagrantly violating that rule. At another point, there was this surreal exchange:


Chris Wallace: (25:09)
We have six segments. We have ended that segment. We’re going to go to the next segment. In that segment, you each are going to have two uninterrupted moments. In those two interrupted minutes, Mr. President, you can say anything you want. I’m going to ask a question about race, but if you want to answer about something else, go ahead. But I think that the country would be better served, if we allowed both people to speak with fewer interruptions. I’m appealing to you, sir, to do that.

President Donald J. Trump: (25:37)
Well, and him too.

Chris Wallace: (25:38)
Well, frankly, you’ve been doing more interrupting than he has.

President Donald J. Trump: (25:40)
Well, that’s all right, but he does plenty.

Chris Wallace: (25:41)
Well, sir, less than-

President Donald J. Trump: (25:43)
He does plenty.

Chris Wallace: (25:43)
No, less than you have. Let’s please continue on.



Side note: I copied and pasted that excerpt of the debate from the transcript here .  The Slate.com article provides a tweet from PBS Newshour that includes a shorter transcript excerpt and a video clip. 


As for your claim that Biden "started the decline of the debate" with interruptions and insults: 

Vice President Joe Biden: (18:18)
Will you shut up, man?


Vice President Joe Biden: (23:59)
Well, it’s hard to get any word in with this clown. Excuse me, this person.



The transcript shows that Trump was constantly interrupting Biden by the time Biden asked Trump to shut up—and that was well into the debate. And Biden did apologize for using the word  "clown" at 23:59, although Trump DESERVED the insult with his interruptions, repeated inability and refusal to answer questions and personal digs directed at Biden. 

I can't recall Biden being taken to task for misbehavior during the 2008 primary debates or the 2012 VP debates or the endless 2016 primary debates. Trump made interruptions and insults HIS CALLING CARD during the 2016 primary and presidential debates. Viewers were also nauseated by his misbehavior during the 2016 debates with HRC. 

Was the debate an ugly mess of interruptions and name-calling. Yes, and both men were responsible. But Trump misbehaved far more. Just ask Chris Wallace. 


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Posted: Sep 30, 2020 - 7:51pm

 Trumpelshillspin wrote:
The Internet never forgets, even if Biden supporters do:

Finally, focus on the moderator, not the (different) answer.

So unfair! Asking a guy running for re-election the same question! Might be illegal?! Sad!
kurtster

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Posted: Sep 30, 2020 - 7:45pm

 KarmaKarma wrote:


The Internet never forgets, even if Biden supporters do:
 
Ayup !

The feeble minded sheeple who think that they pay attention properly ...
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Posted: Sep 30, 2020 - 7:40pm

 kcar wrote:


I watched a five minute summary of the Biden-Trump debate. Wallace could barely keep Trump on track and restrained from interrupting Biden. You need a panel of 3-4 moderators to force Trump to debate and behave like a mature adult. 
 
I watched the whole thing, as I usually do.  Upon a mention regarding Trump interrupting Biden, it was Biden who did the first interruption in the debate and opened that door first.  At the beginning, Trump spoke his first two minutes uninterrupted and Biden did as well.  Then when it was Trump's turn to reply, Biden interrupted Trump 3 times and started the decline of the debate with all of his interruptions and direct name calling of Trump calling him a "clown" and even telling him to "Shut Up".  How presidential.  Isn't the rap on Trump that he does not behave in a presidential manner ?  But it's OK for Biden ?  Hypocrite.

And all you do is focus on Trump, who was given the green light by Biden to do as he did.

Don't believe me about the beginning ?  Here, from C-SPAN.  It starts at about 29.30.  Watch and get back to me, eh ?
.

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Posted: Sep 30, 2020 - 7:27pm



The Internet never forgets, even if Biden supporters do:

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Posted: Sep 30, 2020 - 12:37pm

KarmaKarma wrote:
Also: Why didn't Chris Wallace ask Joe Biden to condemn ANTIFA and BLM inc?

Because he already has.
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Posted: Sep 30, 2020 - 12:25pm



 Steely_D wrote:


 KarmaKarma wrote:


 Steely_D wrote:

.I guess I'll be voting for the guy that didn't tell the Proud Boys to stand by.
 

Are you attempting to claim you were actually undecided going into the debate?

lmao
 

It makes sense that, being a Trump proponent, your reading comprehension and ability to understand nuance and humor are not that good.

And, that you would miss the main important point: that Trump declined to repudiate white supremist groups when asked to do so publicly.
That’s the important topic here, which my joke was referring to. Someone else can take their time to use smaller words and explain it to you better if you still don’t understand.
 
After you are done stepping on rakes, go find an actual transcript of the question & answer provided.  Then get back to me with who has a reading (or listening) comprehension problem.

Also: Why didn't Chris Wallace ask Joe Biden to condemn ANTIFA and BLM inc?  

Last time I checked it wasn’t Proud Boys burning down black businesses.



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Posted: Sep 30, 2020 - 12:25pm

 KarmaKarma wrote:
 R_P wrote:
 Trumpelshrillskin wrote:
And that a large number of their members are black & Hispanic ... ?

Citation please.
 
Here you go.

Okidoki. Nada it is.
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Posted: Sep 30, 2020 - 12:22pm



 Ridiculous_Person wrote:
 Trumpelshrillskin wrote:
And that a large number of their members are black & Hispanic ... ?

Citation please.
 

Here you go.  Fill it out with your self-assessment and post it here when complete.  We'll all compare it to our privately shared notes. 


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Posted: Sep 30, 2020 - 12:07pm



 KarmaKarma wrote:


 Steely_D wrote:

.I guess I'll be voting for the guy that didn't tell the Proud Boys to stand by.
 

Are you attempting to claim you were actually undecided going into the debate?

lmao
 

It makes sense that, being a Trump proponent, your reading comprehension and ability to understand nuance and humor are not that good.

And, that you would miss the main important point: that Trump declined to repudiate white supremist groups when asked to do so publicly.
That’s the important topic here, which my joke was referring to. Someone else can take their time to use smaller words and explain it to you better if you still don’t understand.
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