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Posted: Oct 15, 2020 - 9:37pm



 kurtster wrote:

Yeah, no one here cares anyway.   

The source is from a direct copy of the actual hard drive that the FBI has in their possession.  The shop owner who had the laptop made a copy before turning it over directly to the FBI  They are authentic. What does matter though is that the FBI had these Biden emails way back at the beginning of the Mueller Investigation and sat on them, doing nothing.  And the Mueller team had them and ignored them.  And the FBI did nothing with them either.  Didn't even try.  And the FBI is still trying to do nothing with them.  We have yet to see anyone try very hard to discredit their accuracy.  The primary reaction has been to censor the story and keep it off of social media, as you know.

It is stuff like this has me against early voting.  Too many people have already voted to make any so called "October Surprises" relevant anymore.  Nor any vindications or exculpatory information relevant as well.  Especially with the social media conservative POV censorship fix in place now.  The majority of Americans are receiving their primary news from FB now and they are openly and purposely censoring legitimate news to promote their own agenda and directly influence the election(s).
 
There is no proof that the emails are authentic. The NY Post provided no email headers or metadata, just PDFs of the email. 

Read the WaPo piece if you're so keen to see a response to these supposed emails. Here, I've  excerpted much of it just below. 

A summary of the main points: 

Some of the main points: the primary email "suggests Hunter Biden arranged for (Vadym Pozharskyi), a top executive at a Ukrainian energy firm to meet with the then-vice president when he was in charge of U.S. policy toward Ukraine." 

But there is no indication that a meeting was ever scheduled.  Hunter Biden has no record of this meeting taking place. Neither does Joe Biden. Hunter never replied to the primary email. 

The NY Post only published PDF printouts of emails. It did not provide email header information or metadata. So the authenticity of the emails can't be proved. 

The NY Post article published an email by Pozharskyi to Hunter Biden indicating that Pozharskyi was going to get in touch with Adam Hochstein, special envoy and coordinator for international energy affairs. The NY Post piece also said that Hochstein could not be reached for comment. But the WaPo article quotes Hochstein: “I know for a fact he never contacted me or my office,” said Hochstein, who at the time worked closely with Biden as special envoy and coordinator for international energy affairs. “I provided every record to the Senate investigation, and no mention of this guy was ever made, no emails, no correspondence. I know almost every player in the energy sector in Ukraine. I never met this guy.”

The FBI got the hard drive of the laptop earlier this year from the owner of the repair shop. There is no indication that the Bureau found anything of interest. 

The NY Post article also claims that Joe Biden pressured Ukraine's President Poroshenko to fire Victor Shokin, the country's top prosecutor, for investigating Burisma. The Washington Post has debunked this story repeatedly. Biden pressured Poroshenko to fire Shokin because Shokin was an obstacle to reform in Ukraine. Biden did so because he was in charge of the Ukraine portfolio in the Obama administration and put that pressure as part of official administration policy. Other countries and relevant organizations such as the IMF  and World Bank also wanted Shokin gone. 

IIRC, the Ukrainian government had shelved its investigation into Burisma and its founder before Hunter Biden started working for the company. 

Now here's the WaPo piece: 


Hunter Biden’s alleged laptop: An explainer



What’s new?

The key thrust of the article is that an April 17, 2015, email suggests Hunter Biden arranged for a top executive at a Ukrainian energy firm to meet with the then-vice president when he was in charge of U.S. policy toward Ukraine. “Dear Hunter, thank you for inviting me to DC and giving an opportunity to meet your father and spent some time together. It’s realty an honor and pleasure,” reads the email, supposedly written by Vadym Pozharskyi, an adviser to the board of Burisma.

Why would that be important?

Hunter Biden in 2014 became a board member of Burisma, which news reports at the time suggested was a conflict of interest, given his father’s position. The former vice president has said he did not discuss Burisma with his son. The email is not specific about the nature of the meeting and is written in a way that it could be talking about a possible future meeting...


...

How do we know the email is authentic?

We do not. The New York Post published PDF printouts of several emails allegedly taken from the laptop, but for the “smoking-gun” email, it shows only a photo made the day before the story was posted, according to Thomas Rid, the author of “Active Measures,” a book on disinformation. “There is no header information, no metadata.” The Washington Post has not been able to independently verify or authenticate these emails, as requests to make the laptop hard drive available for inspection have not been granted. The New York Post said it obtained the material from former New York mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani, a personal lawyer to President Trump.

There also is no indication that Hunter Biden replied to the email.

Moreover, another alleged email published by the New York Post contradicts the notion that Hunter Biden could influence his father.
“What he will do and say is out of our hands,” Hunter Biden wrote in an email that the New York Post said was sent April 13, 2014.

What does the Biden campaign say?

Andrew Bates, a campaign spokesman for Joe Biden, said a review of Biden’s schedules from 2015 finds no record of any such meeting. Officials who worked for Biden at the time told The Fact Checker that no such meeting took place.

“I was with the vice president in all of his meetings on Ukraine,” said Michael Carpenter, Biden’s foreign policy adviser in 2015. “He never met with this guy. In fact, I had never heard of this guy until the New York Post story broke.”

The New York Post article also cites an email from Pozharskyi to Hunter Biden saying he was “going to share this information with the US embassy here in Kyiv, as well as the office of Mr Amos Hochstein in the States.”

“I know for a fact he never contacted me or my office,” said Hochstein, who at the time worked closely with Biden as special envoy and coordinator for international energy affairs. “I provided every record to the Senate investigation, and no mention of this guy was ever made, no emails, no correspondence. I know almost every player in the energy sector in Ukraine. I never met this guy.”

Carpenter said that the vice president wouldn’t have had a meeting with a company executive. “He was the vice president of the United States,” he said. “He met with prime ministers.”


This does not exclude the possibility that Biden briefly shook hands and chatted with Pozharskyi during a public event. Hunter Biden, for instance, helped arrange for a potential business partner, Jonathan Li, to shake hands with his father in the lobby of a Beijing hotel when the vice president made an official trip to China.

What does Hunter Biden say?

Asked to verify whether the email is genuine, Hunter Biden’s attorney George Mesires told The Fact Checker: “We have no idea where this came from, and certainly cannot credit anything that Rudy Giuliani provided to the NY Post, but what I do know for certain is that this purported meeting never happened.”

Are there errors in the New York Post report?

A separate article, about another email, claims that a public relations company that worked for Burisma was allowed to take part in a conference call about an upcoming visit by Joe Biden to Ukraine. But there was nothing secret about this call, and the transcript was released publicly and posted on the White House website.

More broadly, the New York Post repeats the falsehood, advanced by Trump, that the “elder Biden pressured government officials in Ukraine into firing a prosecutor who was investigating the company.”

We have fact-checked this repeatedly. During President Barack Obama’s second term, Biden was in charge of the Ukraine portfolio, keeping in close touch with the country’s president, Petro Poroshenko. Biden’s brief was to sweet-talk and jawbone Poroshenko into making reforms that Ukraine’s Western benefactors wanted to see as part of Ukraine’s escape from Russia’s orbit. But the Americans saw an obstacle to reform in Viktor Shokin, the top Ukrainian prosecutor, whom the United States viewed as ineffective and beholden to Poroshenko and Ukraine’s corrupt oligarchs. In particular, Shokin had failed to pursue an investigation of the founder of Burisma, Mykola Zlochevsky.

The U.S. Embassy in Kyiv proposed that Biden, during his 2015 visit there, use a pending delivery of $1 billion of loan guarantees as leverage to force reform. Biden addressed the Ukrainian parliament, decrying the “cancer of corruption” in the country and criticizing the prosecutor’s office. During that visit, Biden privately told Poroshenko the loan guarantees would be withheld unless Shokin was replaced. After repeated calls and meetings between the two men over several months, Shokin was removed and the loan guarantees were provided.

Pavlo Klimkin, Ukrainian foreign minister from 2014 until Aug. 29, 2019, said that the firing of Shokin was universally urged by Ukraine’s benefactors. “The demand came not just from the U.S., and not just from Biden,” he said. “I heard it in every meeting with the international financial institutions, especially the IMF and World Bank. It was not just Biden. Clearly.”


Colin H. Kahl, Biden’s national security adviser at the time, told The Fact Checker that “our policy on corruption and Shokin in Ukraine kept getting tougher across 2015, so the whole theory of the case makes no sense.”

Why is this coming out now?

Good question. The FBI supposedly obtained the hard drive earlier this year from John MacIsaac, who said he owns the Wilmington Mac Shop.

...


He made a copy of the hard drive and gave it to Giuliani. This past weekend, Giuliani passed a copy to the New York Post. But presumably the laptop would have been of use to the year-long Senate investigation, which found no wrongdoing by Biden.

As Giuliani has sought to locate information about Hunter Biden and Ukraine, he has regularly interacted with a Ukrainian lawmaker who was recently sanctioned by the U.S. Treasury Department as being an “active Russian agent for over a decade” and was engaged in an influence operation to affect the 2020 election. Those interactions have given rise to fears that the emails could be part of a broader disinformation campaign.



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Posted: Oct 15, 2020 - 9:18pm

 Red_Dragon wrote:


 kurtster wrote:

Look in the mirror the next time you say that, eh ?
 

Oh, I've been in therapy for years to deal with the fucked up world That Reagan created.
 
Then I guess that the definition of insanity applies ... Doing the same thing over and over and over again and expecting different results.

You should ask for your money back cuz it is clearly not working.

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{#Meditate}
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Posted: Oct 15, 2020 - 8:57pm



 Red_Dragon wrote:


 kurtster wrote:

Look in the mirror the next time you say that, eh ?
 

Oh, I've been in therapy for years to deal with the fucked up world That Reagan created.
 
I'm sorry this is happening to you.
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Posted: Oct 15, 2020 - 8:50pm



 kurtster wrote:

Look in the mirror the next time you say that, eh ?
 

Oh, I've been in therapy for years to deal with the fucked up world That Reagan created.
kurtster

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Posted: Oct 15, 2020 - 8:44pm

 Red_Dragon wrote:


 kurtster wrote:

Yep.
 

Please, seek professional help.

 
Look in the mirror the next time you say that, eh ?
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Posted: Oct 15, 2020 - 8:36pm



 kurtster wrote:

Yep.
 

Please, seek professional help.

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Posted: Oct 15, 2020 - 8:32pm

“We’ve done an amazing job. And it’s rounding the corner.”
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Posted: Oct 15, 2020 - 8:11pm

 Steely_D wrote:


 kurtster wrote:

Yeah, no one here cares anyway.    

Yep.
 
Yep.
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Posted: Oct 15, 2020 - 7:31pm



 kurtster wrote:

Yeah, no one here cares anyway.    

Yep.
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Posted: Oct 15, 2020 - 7:30pm


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Posted: Oct 15, 2020 - 7:24pm

 kurtster wrote:
Yeah, no one here cares anyway.


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Posted: Oct 15, 2020 - 7:16pm

 KarmaKarma wrote:

Emails reveal how Hunter Biden tried to cash in big on behalf of family with Chinese firm

Much more yet to come.

But don't worry, it's all a nothingburger.
 
Yeah, no one here cares anyway.   

The source is from a direct copy of the actual hard drive that the FBI has in their possession.  The shop owner who had the laptop made a copy before turning it over directly to the FBI  They are authentic. What does matter though is that the FBI had these Biden emails way back at the beginning of the Mueller Investigation and sat on them, doing nothing.  And the Mueller team had them and ignored them.  And the FBI did nothing with them either.  Didn't even try.  And the FBI is still trying to do nothing with them.  We have yet to see anyone try very hard to discredit their accuracy.  The primary reaction has been to censor the story and keep it off of social media, as you know.

It is stuff like this has me against early voting.  Too many people have already voted to make any so called "October Surprises" relevant anymore.  Nor any vindications or exculpatory information relevant as well.  Especially with the social media conservative POV censorship fix in place now.  The majority of Americans are receiving their primary news from FB now and they are openly and purposely censoring legitimate news to promote their own agenda and directly influence the election(s).
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Posted: Oct 15, 2020 - 2:28pm

From  Rural America 2020:

Support for Rural Health Care.

Across the United States, rural health care clinics and hospitals have closed or been persistently underfunded. Twelve states (Wyoming, Texas, South Dakota, Wisconsin, Mississippi, Tennessee, Alabama, Georgia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Kansas and Florida) have refused to expand Medicaid that would help fund delivery of services into rural areas. According to research conducted by the University of North Carolina, 173 rural hospitals have closed since 2005 and 700 more are currently at risk of closure. With the COVID pandemic increasingly reaching into the remotest corners of America, it is critical that we have a fully functioning health system in our rural areas. From telemedicine to rural health clinics and hospitals, America needs to invest in rural health care.

Rural America 2020 supports efforts to expand health care in our rural communities.

Support for an Effective COVID Response.

COVID-19 has killed well over 150,000 Americans. While the epicenter of this crisis began in our urban areas, it is increasingly reaching into our rural communities, overwhelming rural hospitals and senior assisted living facilities. According to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control, rural Americans may be at a higher risk of severe illness from COVID-19 because they:

  • Are older than non-rural populations;
  • Having higher rates of underlying chronic disease even after adjusting for age;
  • Are more likely to have a disability;
  • Have limited access to rural healthcare.
Rural America 2020 supports creation of an effective, coordinated federal response to the COVID-19 pandemic, deployment of widespread COVID-19 testing, and providing the financial and other resources needed for our rural communities to be safe and to respond to COVID-19 outbreaks.

Support for the U.S. Postal Service.

For over 200 years, the U.S. Postal Service has delivered dependable and fast postal service to rural communities all across America. Enshrined in the U.S. Constitution, the USPS is a lifeline to our communities and the underpinning of our Democracy.Now more than ever, this service is vital to our communities. FedEx and UPS do not deliver to many remote communities, relying instead on the USPS. Veterans rely on the USPS for appointment scheduling and fully 80% of prescriptions filled to veterans by the Department of Veterans Affairs are delivered by USPS. Seniors similarly rely on USPS for their social security checks. And in election years, the USPS is critical for delivering mail in ballots – especially in remote rural communities that may not have polling locations.

Rural America 2020 supports funding for the USPS and insists that this vital institution is given the tools and resources that it needs to continue to serve our rural communities.

Support for American Agriculture.

Recent years have been devastating to U.S. agriculture with farms now facing record levels of debt and farm bankruptcies increasing by 24% in the last year alone. Many policies have contributed to this farm crisis: the trade war with China; the 232 steel and aluminum tariffs and retaliatory tariffs; the trade disputes and tariffs with the European Union, and the refinery waivers that have undercut ethanol markets.

Rural America 2020 supports free and fair trade that benefits U.S. agriculture and supports the rollback of tariffs and retaliatory tariffs. Rural America 2020 opposes the issuance of unnecessary refinery waivers and supports our nation’s ethanol producers.

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Posted: Oct 15, 2020 - 6:36am

I want all of you to go away, and then come back and say three nice things.
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Posted: Oct 15, 2020 - 6:00am

Emails reveal how Hunter Biden tried to cash in big on behalf of family with Chinese firm

Much more yet to come.

But don't worry, it's all a nothingburger.
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Posted: Oct 14, 2020 - 9:14pm

 kurtster wrote:
Yeah, irony is sometimes a two way street, eh ?

So how much is it costing Mexico to station 15,000 federal troops on the border per year ?
Mexico says it has deployed 15,000 forces in the north to halt U.S.-bound migration
 
Red herring
. México no paga por un muro.
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Posted: Oct 14, 2020 - 9:07pm

 R_P wrote:
 kurtster wrote:
At this point, Biden could confess to all of this and not lose a single vote.  His voters just don't care about any of this.
"Mexico is paying for the wall, by the way, you know that. I've been saying it. They hate to hear that. But they're paying."
 
Yeah, irony is sometimes a two way street, eh ?

So how much is it costing Mexico to station 15,000 federal troops on the border per year ?
Mexico says it has deployed 15,000 forces in the north to halt U.S.-bound migration
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