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Posted: Nov 24, 2016 - 7:35am

 kurtster wrote:
Happy T - Day, y'all !

By request I have some remastered Who songs for your downloading and listening pleasure.  Two tracks from the Live At Leeds CD Magic Bus, Amazing Journey / Sparks , two vinyl rips, Underture from the first press of Tommy and Baba O'Riley from the first press of Who's Next and I Can See For Miles from the Kids Are Alright CD IIRC, which after trying for about 10 years finally got to where I'm really happy with it.  I tossed in The Music Must Change from the Who Are You CD which is nice and two tracks from the old Tommy CD I did nearly 10 years ago that are so so, Pinball Wizard and The Acid Queen which I'll get around to redoing in the future.  CD's are in all caps and vinyl is upper and lower case, that's how I keep track of them.  16 bit 41k and 48k wav files (the vinyl) and everything I will do in the future.

But anyway, enjoy.  I'll leave them up through the remainder of the week.

CLICKY

y'all !

 
Great thanks Kurt, and happy T-G.
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Posted: Nov 24, 2016 - 7:03am

Happy T - Day, y'all !

By request I have some remastered Who songs for your downloading and listening pleasure.  Two tracks from the Live At Leeds CD Magic Bus, Amazing Journey / Sparks , two vinyl rips, Underture from the first press of Tommy and Baba O'Riley from the first press of Who's Next and I Can See For Miles from the Kids Are Alright CD IIRC, which after trying for about 10 years finally got to where I'm really happy with it.  I tossed in The Music Must Change from the Who Are You CD which is nice and two tracks from the old Tommy CD I did nearly 10 years ago that are so so, Pinball Wizard and The Acid Queen which I'll get around to redoing in the future.  CD's are in all caps and vinyl is upper and lower case, that's how I keep track of them.  16 bit 41k and 48k wav files (the vinyl) and everything I will do in the future.

But anyway, enjoy.  I'll leave them up through the remainder of the week.

CLICKY

y'all !
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Posted: Sep 30, 2016 - 12:05pm

As I'm trying to keep from going off the rails, here's a post I put up over in a thread at discogs about which is better a 45 or 33 piece of vinyl.  It killed some time and actually seems to make some sense.  But its my story and I'm sticking to it.  Someone mentioned Todd Rundgren and about how no one should attempt to put an hour on vinyl and its kinda a reply to that.

...
   What seems to be forgotten is that we only get what the engineers give us. A 45 on paper is supposed to sound better than a 33. But in the end it all depends on the master used and the quality of the vinyl itself. A mono release on something recorded on 4 tracks is a mixdown and an engineer's interpretation of what it should sound like. 

Just 3 days ago, I pulled out Initiation and ripped it for archive. Haven't played it since it was new, ripping it to cassette and putting it away per the instructions. Long ago, I did buy the CD and Treatise has been a regular listen, 5 or 6 times a year. Even with all the restrictions on vinyl technology when it was made, the vinyl is still light years better than the CD. The dynamic range is much better revealing more detail. But my 16 bit 48khz wav recording is going to sound like exactly like the vinyl played. Its not going to change sound because its now a digital file. 

All vinyl is different, too. A couple of months ago, I ripped a MFSL copy of Abbey Road. Now I'm ripping the 1973 GB 3rd pressing. I was impressed by the MFSL, but this copy is sounding pretty damn good, maybe better, I'll do and A/B shortly just to find out which one I want to keep for light remastering and listening. 

I've got 4 vinyl copies of Dark Side, the MFSL, the GB quad, a US early if not original pressing and another I've picked up along the way. that and about 4 versions of CD at least. But regarding the vinyl, the quad mix is distinctively different and my favorite. I wholly expect the MFSL to sound different and then the other pressings to sound different. They all come from the same source, all vinyl from the peak of vinyl in its day. 

Your linear contact stylus is going to sound different from my shibata. There are so many variables, but its not just because something is digital and something is not or how fast it spins. About the only thing left to say is that I can put my vinyl rip on a CD and play the vinyl and then the CD burned rip through the same system and expect to hear no difference. 

Not all engineers, lathe cutters and operators are created equally. Until we have heard better, there is no way of knowing what we're missing from what a certain engineer decided to give us. 

cheers.
ps.  an after thought.  One of the beauties of a nice vinyl rip is that you can play it as loud as you want and you won't get any feedback through the turntable.
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Posted: Sep 19, 2016 - 6:21am

 kurtster wrote:
kurtster wrote:
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So for a limited time, here's some of my favorite songs, several of which I have tried many times over the past 10 years to get to acceptable, using them as my baseline songs for trying out different approaches for remastering.  FM Future Games is one and The Band Chest Fever is one of the others.  Also included is J Beck's Freeway Jam, The two Thunderclap Newman tracks worth listening to, Something In The Air and Accidents and for a really good jam, Uriah Heap Salisbury.  All from vinyl.  Thrown in for good measure is Mountain's epic live version of Nantucket Sleighride from the Twin Peaks album that started out as an mp3 and was remastered in wav.  At 33 minutes the wav was too big to upload so a nice 320k mp3 is up instead.

All these years of doing these remasters has been in an effort to get digital stuff to sound like its vinyl counterpart.  Now that I'm fully back into vinyl, the vinyl is so good, that there is not that much to do with the songs other than to clean them up and do a couple of extra things to get them pretty.  They are now not as loud and no longer blown out from pushing them too hard.  

Hope you like them as much as I do.  {#Cheers} y'all.       CLICKY HERE

bump for last call.  Gone tomorrow night.

From the looks of things Freeway Jam is everyone's favorite with Future Games coming in second.

 
Thanks, Kurt.  It's very cool.  I always liked "Something In The Air" - I think I still have that single somewhere.
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Posted: Sep 17, 2016 - 2:18pm

 SeriousLee wrote:

Listening to it now. Job well done! {#Cheers}

Going back to the raw rips, they now sound like the stereo was playing under your feet in the basement. Then you went in the basement. {#Smile}

 
Thanks.  I know this is all subjective as all get out.  But its how I am passing time and spending the winter years of my retirement.  The same piece of vinyl will sound different on another turntable with a different cartridge.  CD's eliminated that variable.  Funny, I have an Audio Technica cartridge that was designed to sound digital.  Why, I ask ?  Its a DR500LC that I got 20 or more years ago over at their headquarters showroom in Stow, Ohio which is only about 20 minutes from where I live.  It now sits idle.  The cart you're listening to is an AT15SS which was their 2nd to the top moving magnet cart at the time.

I absolutely love the sound from a shibata type stylus.  It is designed to go deeper into the groove than any other stylus tip and plays where no one has gone before.  Its the foundation of my equipment.  It more determines how an LP will sound than any other part of the food chain.

 
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Posted: Sep 17, 2016 - 1:02pm

 kurtster wrote:

There is software available to mix and master, besides dealing with clicks and pops.  My goal in doing so has always been to make it sound more 'analogue' not less though.

If your listening to the two tracks in the folder I just put up which are just the raw rips, try out the final remastered versions of the rips that I used software on to get there.  The stuff I use does not have a single button that does all the work however.  On average there are about 8 separate steps involved with about an hour or more for a 3 minute song involved.

Here's the remasters.  Let me know if I've done the rips justice or not.  They are all vinyl except the Mountain track which was originally a crappy old mp3 from the original Napster days.
 
Listening to it now. Job well done! {#Cheers}

Going back to the raw rips, they now sound like the stereo was playing under your feet in the basement. Then you went in the basement. {#Smile}
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Posted: Sep 17, 2016 - 12:52pm

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I'm just guessing but isn't there software available to allow the removal of what makes it sound like vinyl? Besides the clicks and pops, i mean.
Edit: Thanks for the listen, btw. I'm on Thunderclap's 2nd tune. I love it.

There is software available to mix and master, besides dealing with clicks and pops.  My goal in doing so has always been to make it sound more 'analogue' not less though.

If your listening to the two tracks in the folder I just put up which are just the raw rips, try out the final remastered versions of the rips that I used software on to get there.  The stuff I use does not have a single button that does all the work however.  On average there are about 8 separate steps involved using 3 separate software programs with about an hour or more for a 3 minute song involved.

Here's the remasters.  Let me know if I've done the rips justice or not.  They are all vinyl except the Mountain track which was originally a crappy old mp3 from the original Napster days.



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Posted: Sep 17, 2016 - 12:30pm

 kurtster wrote:
A quality digital rip of vinyl will still sound like the vinyl, not like a CD just because it has been magically transformed into a digital file.  
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I'm just guessing but isn't there software available to allow the removal of what makes it sound like vinyl? Besides the clicks and pops, i mean.
Edit: Thanks for the listen, btw. I'm on Thunderclap's 2nd tune. I love it.
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Posted: Sep 16, 2016 - 4:57pm

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It is the album version.

 
It is.
After listening to it better, I now realize it.

I have a CD of Hollywood Dream that has alternate takes and the single version of "Somethings in the Air".
Not near as crisp as your cleaned version... I still like the single version better.


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Posted: Sep 16, 2016 - 4:47am

 kurtster wrote:

bump for those who may have missed.

 
thanks buddy

i'm going to give this a whirl

{#Music}

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Posted: Sep 14, 2016 - 8:14pm

 KurtfromLaQuinta wrote:
 
Sounds real nice and "clean" there!
The "Somethings in the Air" is the version I really like the best.
I'm pretty sure that's the "single version", not the album version.
The album version had an annoying guitar over the vocals I never liked much.
I remember the single version from the summer of '69 playing on the AM radio. Ahhhhhhhh.  {#Meditate}

 
It is the album version.  It is the MCA reissue, but all the tracks are the same as the original Track issue as far as I know.  It did come out nicely regardless.  The albums I have are cleaning up very nicely so far.  I rip each side at least twice, with the second one almost always sounding better than the first play just because lot's of stuff gets loosened up and gets brushed away the second time around.

I'm doing the MFSL Doors first album right now as I type.  I played side 1 four times.  Second rip had a weird glitch, so I played it a third time but forgot to hit record, so I did it a forth and even the wife said that it sounded noticeably better for some reason.  So I'm doing a third now on side 2.  Trying to get the best out of em, cuz they are soon to be for sale and I what I have will be be all that I have to work with when they are gone.

Here's what I have cataloged of my collection so far.   Got to get shipping supplies before I list them for sale.  That and I'm chugging away with the website trying to get it operational for selling the eyeglass / record cleaner.  Gotta get the ecommerce widget yet.  RPeeps will get special considerations, of course.  Have a look if you like.  A work in progress, criticism welcome.  We all know that I get too wordy.  quietvinyl.com  I will infact probably need some help finishing it up cuz there are some things that I just can't get to work out the way I want it and I've never done anything like this before at all.  So any kind of help is welcome.  PM's welcome.

that and my new NAS arrived yesterday and I've got lot's to figure out with that, too.  ASUSTOR AS6102T


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Posted: Sep 14, 2016 - 5:22pm

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Hope you like them as much as I do.  {#Cheers} y'all.       CLICKY HERE

Sounds real nice and "clean" there!
The "Somethings in the Air" is the version I really like the best.
I'm pretty sure that's the "single version", not the album version.
The album version had an annoying guitar over the vocals I never liked much.
I remember the single version from the summer of '69 playing on the AM radio. Ahhhhhhhh.  {#Meditate}


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Posted: Sep 14, 2016 - 10:18am

Its been awhile since I have had the time or interest to put up any tunes lately but it seems like its a good time to do it.  Been so busy with all kinds of chaos and organizing that working with music has taken a back seat for too long.  But now all the equipment is finalized and the experimenting is over.  Here it is, the ninth month of the year and the 2016 file for remasters only has about 12 songs, but their all from vinyl and I've upped the ante by ripping only in 16 bit 48khz wav instead of 44khz.  I may be crazy, but it seems that I can hear a difference with the higher frequency rips.  From here on in, its all about vinyl.  

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Posted: Jun 22, 2016 - 3:41am

Seen a wild defect for the first time.  For all of you who have worked with Audacity or similar you are used to seeing the wave form of a rip.  You all pretty much know what a scratch looks like, too.  This is a new one.  It looks like a scratch until you blow it up and see what is really going on.  Plays right through, no tracking problems.  

It almost looks like the signals switch sides of the groove and somehow recovers.  Its loud enough to be argh.  So far haven't been able make it go away or much of anything else.  Best I can do so far is just make it a muffled thud.  Just thought that I would share it and see if anyone else has encountered something like this before.  This is what I woke up to this morning getting back into the cleanup of the freaking track that now has about 8 hours into the first 9 1/2 minutes with 18 more to go.
 
The wide shot showing the frequency.  And looking ahead, more scratches to pull out with the pencil, one by one ...  Hope they don't do this stuff any more.  For now I'm gonna keep going and come back to these last.
  RAVI SHANKAR DEFECT WIDE SHOT 1

T
he blow up showing what is really there.  Normally the lines are parallel. 

 RAVI SHANKAR DEFECT BLOW UP 1

I
ts got me scratching my head.  Don't know how many more of these exist.  Haven't looked any further yet.  Yee haw !!


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Posted: Jun 21, 2016 - 8:16am

Taking a breather.  Sheesh, 3 hours on the first 2 minutes of this raga, which is 28 minutes long.  Using everything I know on this, some of which I just figured out in the past couple of months.  But I'm learning so much doing this.  Its bringing back memories, too.  At the age of 15, I saw Ravi and the crew from Monterey in the gym at UC Irvine.  The concert was 4 hours long and my dad was waiting outside in the parking lot with a whole bunch of other parents.  The man is a musical genius to know and play this kind of music, from memory on such a complex instrument.  Its like hearing the wind sing, so sweet and so powerful and so relaxing.  Yes, George is my favorite Beatle and this is part of why.  And why I guess I like long drawn out pieces that work riffs inside and out thoroughly.  

Yea, could buy the CD, but I already have this and I would be missing out on what I'm learning from this.

Edit:  Some say that the Allman Bros can sound like a cat fight at times, well I'm hearing a lot of cows mooing in the pasture.  Cows are sacred creatures over there, hmmmm.
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Posted: Jun 20, 2016 - 5:07pm

I found out last week that my part time gig at the optical shop may be ending, sooner than I hoped or anticipated.

So, with the excuse and the distraction of the Cavs over until next year, I'm now going full tilt into the website / ecommerce thingy.  Thanks to Beaks, Scott and Dave's ideas and help I've done most of the legwork and figured out who is hosting and which platform to use.  WordPress is the apparent winner because it allows me to self host the business part with WooCommerce, which checks out pretty well, so far.  Anyone have any experience with either please feel free to advise.

With this part now in the works, I've got to write up another report / review of the cleaner and put a pitch together for the company prez.  The primary objection that I have heard so far from shop owners is that it does not reference record cleaning and needs a dedicated name and label for that purpose.  Although I've come up with a name and already did a trademark search, that's $600 and the quantity required for that is 15k.  So that ain't happening.  So I need to present the objections and explain how it can be sold through word of mouth and slowly build up a customer base of happy campers.  We all know the mythology of vinyl and I think I can work it to get people to bite.  It really is an audiophile grade cleaner and if they don't like it, its still a damn good eyeglass cleaner, so if they have vinyl and eyeglasses, there is little to lose taking a chance on buying it.  And I need to be allowed to buy it from the company and do it, which I think I can.  I don't want to share the name with them at this point and cut myself out of the equation in case they like it.

Way back at my first meeting with the prez we did touch base on personal musical interests and he is mostly into classical.  I've got nothing to offer him there, but being from India, I did mention that I saw Ravi Shankar as a kid right after he was at the Monterey Festival and liked that kind of music and threatened to find my record of Shankar at Monterey in 1967 and would give him a copy of the rip, when I found it.  I found it 3 days ago.  It was well played and has plenty of pops and crackles to get rid of to make it presentable.  That and I placed an order for a case of the cleaner to get things going to the next level.  So with all the legwork for the website underway and getting it down to pulling the trigger, I've got to finish the record, and write the stuff up, so I can present it when I pick up the cleaner at the office.  I've already got 4 hours into the music with at least that much more to go and prolly a couple of hours writing up the paper.  Giving myself a Wednesday deadline.

Fingers crossed ... 
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Posted: Jun 13, 2016 - 1:32pm

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I can't put my finger on it, but I am strangely attracted to her.....

 
Here's the page I found the pic at.  You need to translate it (Chrome has that option), its pretty weird.  It's about record cleaning.  From Vladivostok ...

 Clicky here.


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Posted: Jun 13, 2016 - 8:54am

 aflanigan wrote:
Personally, I sometimes like my vinyl loud.

 
sometimes i prefer my speakers to beef loud (band name?)
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kurt that's an interesting chart

my software of choice, vlc, has presets

makes things easy (for boobs like me)
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Posted: Jun 13, 2016 - 8:48am

Personally, I sometimes like my vinyl loud.
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