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Posted: Mar 2, 2016 - 3:05pm

{#Curtain}  wow.  I am humbled and honored.

Here is the opening part of the post I deleted later on this morning.

I woke up in the middle of the night with this thought about what the Journals mean to me and the role they play here at RP.  

 
I've got some more thoughts to add and a reply to meowy.  

Back later. 
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Posted: Mar 2, 2016 - 2:46pm

What kurtster said. 
 
 
I think I'd miss them mostly for nostalgic reasons, unfortunately.  At one point, I think the journals were a big reason this community felt more real and different from other places on the net.  The environment here has changed significantly, and I don't know that they have the value they once did.  Can't say it wouldn't make me sad to see them go, but I completely understand.
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Posted: Mar 2, 2016 - 2:23pm

 JrzyTmata wrote:
everyone is agreeing with Kurtster.
Dogs and Cats living together!!!!

and by "The Guy" we mean Bill.

 

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Posted: Mar 2, 2016 - 2:08pm

everyone is agreeing with Kurtster.
Dogs and Cats living together!!!!



and by "The Guy" we mean Bill.
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Posted: Mar 2, 2016 - 1:54pm

 kurtster wrote:
Just clicked over to the journals and found that it is closed to further entries and being considered to be closed permanently.

I understand the reasons, but I think that it it would be a great loss.

Bill asked for a discussion over here about it so ... 
.
If you clicked your way here, you're probably a spammer — or "search engine optimization specialist" if you prefer. If so, see ya. You're not welcome here.

It's been several weeks since anyone who wasn't a spammer posted anything to the Journals. If you came here to buck that trend, see if you can't accomplish the same thing with a forum post.

I've instituted a new spam-blocking procedure in the Forum, but before I go through the hassle of doing the same thing here, I thought I'd float the idea of retiring the Journals. The code is old, creaky, and badly in need of updating — and Rebecca & I feel that my time would be better spent elsewhere.

I'll be busy doing other stuff for the next month or two. During that time, please feel free to use the Forum to discuss the pros & cons of keeping the Journals.

thanks
-bg

 

So, now I'm wondering whether you were going to post a journal and couldn't

and I'm wondering what said journal was about




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Posted: Mar 2, 2016 - 12:32pm

hmm.. 

very hard to beat what Kurtster said. At the same time, I understand why Bill would want to ditch them, particularly if they are slowing down the site. Makes me sad and kind of nostalgic for the old days when Beanie told us of her experiences with the rake and all the other cool stuff that got posted in the journals. Guess the community has got a lot more um, distracted since then, if that is the right word for it. 

I think the difference between the journals and, say, a blog was that this place is a much more familiar community than the wider internet. Most blogs fall into some kind of solipsistic, let-me-define-myself-anew today kind of thing. The journals here were pretty much free of that because we met here on a daily basis and kind of knew what everyone else was up to and where each of us was coming from..
We've talked about this before .. the strength of the place is you meet people from all sides and despite - no, because of - the differences, got to appreciate each other a bit more. That is still why I come here. And the journals were part of that.  Really, really glad I was lucky enough to stumble upon this site way back when.

Bill & Rebecca have long earned my undying gratitude for what they have created. An absolute inspiration in many ways and the fact that they are still here is a testament to their conviction. When you think about the amount of crap they have had to deal with to keep going and do what they do. Seriously. RESPECT. But if they want to ditch them to keep it going, I'm ok with that. We can always start a new thread. It's not the same, but hell, it's pretty good.


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Posted: Mar 2, 2016 - 12:15pm

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

A lot of people hold this view, and I don't understand it. I count 75 topics in the RAFT, and 8 to maybe 12 or 13 of those are strictly political, about the same as topics that are about music. Far and away, most of them are fun or informational or uplifting and positive.

 
Maybe she was talking about the baseball thread? < /snark >

I don't get that sentiment either. There is almost always a lot of good information and camaraderie that goes with the less tasteful threads.  You learn quickly what is chaff. I haven't looked at the 'end of europe' thread in months and won't go back.
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Posted: Mar 2, 2016 - 11:50am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:
Journals have a bit more permanence than *anything* on social media and the Forum. I disagree wholeheartedly with the idea that everyone should post journals often, or even regularly. That would only dilute their utility. Maybe that's the point.

But again, I don't want to see a huge amount of time put into maintaining/repairing them, especially if some of their better attributes can be incorporated into forum posts. Maybe a general topic stays the same as now, but also maybe someone who starts a thread can be given Admin rights over that thread? Basically, if a thread can have a sticky post, and if the creator of the thread can be given admin privileges over it to keep the conversation on topic if they care about that, or delete combative posts in a thread that's not intended to be a battleground, then there y'go. I think that's more than enough. Default should be to *not* have those attributes selected, so most threads that get started behave just like now.

If, instead of a link to a user's journals in their profile, there's a link to threads they admin, that would keep them alive for that person. 

 
BillG has never been keen on appointing moderators on this site, so the chances of him giving anyone admin privileges, even for just a single post isn't likely to happen.

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Posted: Mar 2, 2016 - 11:45am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:
Journals have a bit more permanence than *anything* on social media and the Forum. I disagree wholeheartedly with the idea that everyone should post journals often, or even regularly. That would only dilute their utility. Maybe that's the point.

But again, I don't want to see a huge amount of time put into maintaining/repairing them, especially if some of their better attributes can be incorporated into forum posts. Maybe a general topic stays the same as now, but also maybe someone who starts a thread can be given Admin rights over that thread? Basically, if a thread can have a sticky post, and if the creator of the thread can be given admin privileges over it to keep the conversation on topic if they care about that, or delete combative posts in a thread that's not intended to be a battleground, then there y'go. I think that's more than enough. Default should be to *not* have those attributes selected, so most threads that get started behave just like now.

If, instead of a link to a user's journals in their profile, there's a link to threads they admin, that would keep them alive for that person. 

 
Could just make a thread and lock it from the start to save time.{#Lol}
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Posted: Mar 2, 2016 - 11:36am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

A lot of people hold this view, and I don't understand it. I count 75 topics in the RAFT, and 8 to maybe 12 or 13 of those are strictly political, about the same as topics that are about music. Far and away, most of them are fun or informational or (silly) or uplifting and positive.

 
...as long as people keep those (positive) ones near the top of the RAFT.  The political threads seem to get a lot louder — like being in a bar where you may be with your friends, playing pool or darts, or having a polite, fun conversation, but there's a group which only seems to show up at certain times, and they're either arguing loudly or trying to engage you in a discussion about the flyers they're passing out.
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Posted: Mar 2, 2016 - 11:23am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

A lot of people hold this view, and I don't understand it. I count 75 topics in the RAFT, and 8 to maybe 12 or 13 of those are strictly political, about the same as topics that are about music. Far and away, most of them are fun or informational or uplifting and positive.

 
I agree and the discussions are infinitely more civil than they were say 5 years ago. 
ScottFromWyoming

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Posted: Mar 2, 2016 - 11:21am

 ditty wrote:
 I also feel the community here as devolved in to mostly political vitriol (seen the RAFT lately?) 
 
A lot of people hold this view, and I don't understand it. I count 75 topics in the RAFT, and 8 to maybe 12 or 13 of those are strictly political, about the same as topics that are about music. Far and away, most of them are fun or informational or uplifting and positive.
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Posted: Mar 2, 2016 - 11:19am

Good points, all around.

 

If they do go away, I would still like to see the old ones remain for posterity. The code has been messed up in some of the older ones, I've noticed and certain words are jumbled in the text. Probably the "clunky old code" Bill speaks of.


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Posted: Mar 2, 2016 - 11:12am

I think Kurster said it best.  I have posted several journals, usually during times of great upheaval in my life, and have gotten honest feedback from the folks here.  It is someplace I can share really deep thoughts, and not have to search the forums for responses, thoughts or hell, just encouragement.  I do believe they play a significant role in this community.

With that said, I also feel the community here as devolved in to mostly political vitriol (seen the RAFT lately?) and musings and most of the substance of the community has already left or gone silent, myself included.  If BillG needs to do away with the journals to keep the spam related work down, then I support him.
ScottFromWyoming

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Posted: Mar 2, 2016 - 11:08am

Journals have a bit more permanence than *anything* on social media and the Forum. I disagree wholeheartedly with the idea that everyone should post journals often, or even regularly. That would only dilute their utility. Maybe that's the point.

But again, I don't want to see a huge amount of time put into maintaining/repairing them, especially if some of their better attributes can be incorporated into forum posts. Maybe a general topic stays the same as now, but also maybe someone who starts a thread can be given Admin rights over that thread? Basically, if a thread can have a sticky post, and if the creator of the thread can be given admin privileges over it to keep the conversation on topic if they care about that, or delete combative posts in a thread that's not intended to be a battleground, then there y'go. I think that's more than enough. Default should be to *not* have those attributes selected, so most threads that get started behave just like now.

If, instead of a link to a user's journals in their profile, there's a link to threads they admin, that would keep them alive for that person. 
JrzyTmata

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Posted: Mar 2, 2016 - 10:49am

Kurt said it well.
Although I don't use them often, I'd hate to see them go. It's a much quieter space for personal stuff. People tend to be respectful there and it not, the writer can kick some ass.
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Posted: Mar 2, 2016 - 10:48am

This has crossed my mind a lot lately, as every night five to ten spam journals would be posted. And I realized it had been ages since anyone had posted anything that wasn't spam. With all the other performance issues the site has had, I wondered if site performance could be improved by removing the Journal code.

It seems that BillG is thinking the same thing.

I have no great nostalgia for the Journals. They stopped being important to a great number of members about the same time that web logs began to lose people's interest in favor of social media (Twitter, Facebook) and general message forums like here or at Reddit.

I say get rid of them and see what happens.

But if many of you can't let them go, and you talk BillG back from the brink, I expect to see all of you posting regular Journal entries. Like at least once per week.
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Posted: Mar 2, 2016 - 10:35am

Here's the thing, Kurt said what I feel too.


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Posted: Mar 2, 2016 - 10:09am

i'd miss them, for sure.
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Posted: Mar 2, 2016 - 9:57am

 kurtster wrote:

The Journals just might be the difference in making this place a real community of real people, instead of just being another place on the net that comes and goes, but does not last. 

It is the other room here, the quiet room, where deep and personal thoughts are shared, removed from all the static and distortion and other ‘distractions’ that can come with the threads in the Forum.  It is where some deep differences that have started in the Forum between us (regulars) have been worked out and solved allowing us to all move on here together rather than everyone leave in a huff and never coming back.

Most importantly, it is a place where we have shared questions and sought advice from our fellow RPeeps that we could not ask anyone anywhere else both on the net and in real life.  And when what was asked for has been answered, it can be removed in its entirety from the net by making it either private or simply deleting the entire Journal.  This ability to share, advise, consent and thoroughly discuss anything with people who we have all grown to know and trust over the years and make go away forever if needed is priceless.  These things cannot be done in threads that last forever in public.  Having this, I have no doubt, has made us stronger as a real community rather than just a bunch of anonymous Internet ships passing each other in the night.  Most of us still here know each other, many have met each other and know who is behind the avatar.  This ability may have also helped to keep people employed or out of jail and some relationships intact just because a place existed to vent and share that could be removed with a simple mouse click.

The Journals have been part of the reason that this place has survived without formal moderators.  I can think of many times where we have gotten together and discussed some undesirable interlopers in the open, yet separately from the Forum and came up with a plan to deal with them.  How many places successfully exist on the net without moderators ?  Few, if any that I can think of.  Then again, I don’t do FB or anything else so I’m just guessing.

Then there is my personal take on what the Journals mean to me.  They allowed me a place to find support that was just as big a part of any, if not more so with my cancer.  I really believe that the unique support I received from those here via the Journals helped me get through it and survive as long as I have.  I think that was a purpose of the Journals when they were designed and made a part of this place.  A personal blog separate from the Forum, where anything and everything could be discussed in complete thoughts at length.  A place to compose thoughts that may or may not have been meant for sharing, because of the public / private choice.

I deeply value the Journals and would miss them if we lost them.  To see ‘mf’ing spammers be the reason to take it away would be tragic.  I don’t know what would be involved to be a spam moderator on behalf of keeping the Journals clean as Bill recently asked, but I would be willing to do it.

Ordinarily I would have composed something like this in the Journals as a private one and then copied and brought it over to the Forum and pasted it.  Instead, I used Word for this purpose.  Another value of the Journals.

{#Meditate}

 

 



 
Well said.
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