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Posted: Jan 21, 2016 - 1:43pm

Very nicely done!
 
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Posted: Jan 21, 2016 - 11:14am

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The key is to simplify the system.  If you eliminate the insurance companies and move to one payer (fed) system, you have built in savings from the profits they capture.  The rest should be more or less the same, "assuming" it is well managed.  Most other countries seem able to have universal health care, at a lower cost than the US.  However, it would be a huge "disruption" to get rid of the insurance companies, who have only consolidated their market power in recent years. 

 
Well having a medical issue of any kind is a pretty big disruption too. 
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Posted: Jan 21, 2016 - 10:53am

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Have to say in that entire list, I did not find anything objectionable. The only issue I tend to side with conservatives on other than general distrust of the inefficiency and corruption of government is gun control and Bernie does not fall for the liberal propaganda of all gun owners are Nazi sympathizers or crazy people.  I am worried about the details of the taxes though.  For those that complain about the higher payroll tax to fund universal health care, would the cost savings of removing premiums and deductibles not offset this more than likely? 

 
The key is to simplify the system.  If you eliminate the insurance companies and move to one payer (fed) system, you have built in savings from the profits they capture.  The rest should be more or less the same, "assuming" it is well managed.  Most other countries seem able to have universal health care, at a lower cost than the US.  However, it would be a huge "disruption" to get rid of the insurance companies, who have only consolidated their market power in recent years. 
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Posted: Jan 21, 2016 - 10:41am

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Bernie Sanders: 17 things the Democratic socialist believe



 
Have to say in that entire list, I did not find anything objectionable. The only issue I tend to side with conservatives on other than general distrust of the inefficiency and corruption of government is gun control and Bernie does not fall for the liberal propaganda of all gun owners are Nazi sympathizers or crazy people.  I am worried about the details of the taxes though.  For those that complain about the higher payroll tax to fund universal health care, would the cost savings of removing premiums and deductibles not offset this more than likely? 


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Posted: Jan 21, 2016 - 10:29am

Bernie Sanders: 17 things the Democratic socialist believes

  • 21 January 2016
  • From the section Magazine
 
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In today's Magazine

Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders is catching up - and even surpassing - Hillary Clinton in some polls. What are the Vermont senator's policies and beliefs?

1. He is a socialist. Sanders is running as a "Democratic socialist", but in his long political career he became comfortable with just "socialist" ("I am a socialist and everyone knows it," he once said.) He frames his political ideology this way: "Democratic socialism means that we must create an economy that works for all, not just the very wealthy." His fight for equal treatment of the poor and middle class and against the "billionaire class" is a central tenet of his campaign, and the socialist mantle has positioned him further left of centre than Clinton.

2. Climate change is real. After the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration marked 2015 as the hottest year on record, Sanders tweeted: "The debate is over. Climate change is real and caused by human activity." He wants to tax carbon emissions, repeal fossil fuel subsidies and invest in clean energy technology. He has opposed the Bakken and Keystone XL oil pipelines.

Image copyright Getty Images Image caption Sanders often speaks of his grandchildren's generation when he talks about climate change

3. College should be free. "A college degree is the new high school diploma," Sanders wrote in a Washington Post opinion piece, arguing that class equality is impossible if a majority of Americans don't have access to a college education. He has introduced a plan to make tuition at public universities and colleges free by taxing Wall Street speculators.

4. Gun ownership is a "lifestyle that should not be condemned". Sanders' record on gun control has been mixed which he says is due to the fact that his constituents in Vermont are pro-gun and "99 percent of the people in my state who hunt are law abiding people". He supports universal background checks, but prefers to talk about reaching "common ground" when it comes to gun policies rather than sweeping new gun control regulation.

5. Black lives matter. Though Sanders was shouted down at his own campaign event by members of the Black Lives Matter group, he has since met activists and agrees that the high rate of unemployment and incarceration for African Americans is evidence of systemic racism in the US. He touts criminal justice reform as the answer to some of these issues.

6. He will not accept super PAC money. Sanders prides himself on the fact that his donors are mostly individuals and the average contribution to his campaign in the most recent quarter was just $27. He characterises the controversial Citizens United Supreme Court decision as "disastrous" and blames it for flooding the US political system with cash from special interest groups. "I do not believe that billionaires should be able to buy politicians," he told the Washington Post.

7. The minimum wage should be $15 (£10.59) per hour, up from $7.25. Sanders argues that no one who works 40 hours a week should be impoverished, however, some economists from both sides of the political spectrum are concerned that such a dramatic increase could have unintended consequences for poorer cities and struggling businesses.

8. Americans are tired of the two-party system. For decades, Sanders has railed against both the Democratic and Republican parties, saying they are too beholden to corporate money. Sanders was elected to the Senate as an independent, and some have said his rejection of both parties left him bereft of allies and ineffectual. Sanders argues his outsider status is what has driven his grassroots campaign.

9. He prefers to fly economy. Pictures of Sanders flying in the rear of regular commercial airline flights have gone viral and supporters have seized on the practice with hashtags like #SandersOnAPlane to show that Sanders is a humble everyman who would safeguard taxpayer money. Some of the candid shots of Sanders working in the middle seat have inspired memes juxtaposed with Clinton or Donald Trump boarding private aircrafts.

10. The US should adopt universal healthcare paid for by the federal government. Sanders has often spoken of his admiration for government-run healthcare systems in Canada and Scandinavian countries. "Bernie's plan means no more co-pays, no more deductibles and no more fighting with insurance companies when they fail to pay for charges," his website promises. He means to finance it mostly from a payroll tax hike.

11. $1 trillion should be spent on infrastructure. Sanders wants to create jobs by investing heavily in new infrastructure projects that he says will create 13 million jobs over the course of five years. His "Rebuild America Act" would put that money into roads, bridges, water treatment systems, railways and airport projects - and comes with a $1 trillion price tag.

12. Tax the rich. Sanders wants to pay for his most sweeping proposals with a series of tax hikes and fees, mostly levelled at the wealthiest of Americans: hedge fund managers, Wall Street speculators and big businesses.

13. There should never have been a US-led war in Iraq. Sanders voted against the US invasion of Iraq in 2002 and says today that he stands by that decision. He calls it the "worst foreign policy blunder in the history of this country".

14. No boots on the ground in Syria or to fight IS. Sanders has a diplomacy-first attitude towards foreign policy and believes that Middle Eastern countries must lead the fight in their own region against the self-styled Islamic State group.

15. Personal style is a waste of time. While the Obamas are said to be the most stylish presidential couple since the Kennedys, a Sanders White House will be decidedly more frumpy. Sanders' wife Jane O'Meara once quipped that if he has "seven sweaters, that's three too many for him". When questioned about his frequently-rumpled hair, Sanders was brusque: "The media will very often spend more time worrying about hair than the fact that we're the only major country on earth that doesn't guarantee healthcare to all people."

16. He likes to go by "Bernie". While campaigning in his home state of Vermont, Sanders' bumper stickers just said "Bernie". "You have to reach a certain exulted status in politics to be referred to only by your first name," Senator Patrick Leahy told the New York Times in 2007.

17. He would love to run against Donald Trump. "I have to tell you," he said at a recent news conference, "on a very personal level, it would give me a great deal of satisfaction to run against Donald Trump".

Assembled by Jessica Lussenhop.


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Posted: Jan 21, 2016 - 7:40am

The Seven Stages of Establishment Backlash: Corbyn/Sanders Edition - Glenn Greenwald
The British political and media establishment incrementally lost its collective mind over the election of Jeremy Corbyn as Leader of the country’s Labour Party, and their unravelling and implosion shows no signs of receding yet. Bernie Sanders is nowhere near as radical as Corbyn: they are not even in the same universe. But, especially on economic issues, Sanders is a more fundamental, systemic critic than the oligarchical power centers are willing to tolerate, and his rejection of corporate dominance over politics, and corporate support for his campaigns, is particularly menacing. He is thus regarded as America’s version of a far-left extremist, threatening establishment power.

For those who observed the unfolding of the British reaction to Corbyn’s victory, it’s been fascinating to watch the DC/Democratic establishment’s reaction to Sanders’ emergence replicate that, reading from the same script. I personally think Clinton’s nomination is extremely likely, but evidence of a growing Sanders movement is unmistakable. Because of the broader trends driving it, this is clearly unsettling to establishment Democrats – as it should be.

A poll last week found that Sanders has a large lead with millennial voters, including young women; as Rolling Stone put it: “young female voters support Bernie Sanders by an expansive margin.” The New York Times yesterday trumpeted that, in New Hampshire, Sanders “has jumped out to a 27 percentage point lead,” which is “stunning by New Hampshire standards.” The Wall Street Journal yesterday, in an editorial entitled “Taking Sanders Seriously,” declared it is “no longer impossible to imagine the 74-year-old socialist as the Democratic nominee.”

Just as was true for Corbyn, there is a direct correlation between the strength of Sanders and the intensity of the bitter and ugly attacks unleashed at him by the DC and Democratic political and media establishment. There were, roughly speaking, seven stages to this establishment revolt in the UK against Corbyn, and the U.S. reaction to Sanders is closely following the same script: (...)


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Posted: Jan 15, 2016 - 2:03pm

 miamizsun wrote:

sounds good to me

i think i remember that an estimated three million people could be traced back to nyle

talk about busy...

 
apparently he and Genghis had a bet...
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Posted: Jan 15, 2016 - 2:02pm

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"Nyle of the Nine Hostages." 

band name? {#Ask} 

 
sounds good to me

i think i remember that an estimated three million people could be traced back to nyle

talk about busy...  {#Wink}


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Posted: Jan 15, 2016 - 2:00pm

 miamizsun wrote:

finding your roots on pbs is a fascinating show

i love it

this was on the last week

bottom line: o'reilly and maher are related

the expressions on their faces were priceless

{#Lol}


 
"Nyle of the Nine Hostages." 

band name? {#Ask} 
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Posted: Jan 15, 2016 - 12:49pm

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finding your roots on pbs is a fascinating show

i love it

this was on the last week

bottom line: o'reilly and maher are related

the expressions on their faces were priceless

{#Lol}


 
I do too and wanted to see this one, but missed it!! {#Notworthy}
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Posted: Jan 15, 2016 - 12:42pm

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 Prodigal_SOB wrote:

Well I was kind of on the fence, but I'm squarely in Bernie's camp now.

{#Cheesygrin}

 
finding your roots on pbs is a fascinating show

i love it

this was on the last week

bottom line: o'reilly and maher are related

the expressions on their faces were priceless

{#Lol}



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Posted: Jan 15, 2016 - 12:33pm

 Prodigal_SOB wrote:

Well I was kind of on the fence, but I'm squarely in Bernie's camp now.

{#Cheesygrin}
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Posted: Jan 15, 2016 - 12:30pm

 black321 wrote:
Yes...true.  Reminded of a Tip O'Neill story about a pen he kept that he used to sign some law in the 60s...the law had the best intentions to right some wrong, but ultimately the unforeseen costs significantly outweighed 

There are plenty of stories like that. But ultimately, cui bono?
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Posted: Jan 15, 2016 - 12:17pm

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sanders has good intentions

but does he know what he is doing?

 
Yes...true.  Reminded of a Tip O'Neill story about a pen he kept that he used to sign some law in the 60s...the law had the best intentions to right some wrong, but ultimately the unforeseen costs significantly outweighed


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Posted: Jan 15, 2016 - 12:11pm

 black321 wrote:

This was pretty good.  Yet, it all seemed a bit nostalgic...probably, given his age, his biggest drawback?  All the issues discussed are still relevant today, but somehow he needs to update his message to make it seem more current, and urgent.

 
sanders has good intentions

but does he know what he is doing?


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Posted: Jan 15, 2016 - 12:03pm

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Well ain't that just the cutest thing? Bless her heart...

 
"I Don't Vote With My Vagina."

"Unless Tim Robbins is running for President."

the irony is strong on this one...

if she got that tattooed on her forehead i'd believe her


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Posted: Jan 15, 2016 - 10:53am

 miamizsun wrote:

On November 23rd, 2015, Killer Mike sat down with Senator Bernie Sanders at The SWAG Shop in Atlanta, GA to discuss topics ranging from gun control to democratic socialism.



 
This was pretty good.  Yet, it all seemed a bit nostalgic...probably, given his age, his biggest drawback?  All the issues discussed are still relevant today, but somehow he needs to update his message to make it seem more current, and urgent.
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Posted: Jan 15, 2016 - 10:11am

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Well I was kind of on the fence, but I'm squarely in Bernie's camp now.

 
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Posted: Jan 15, 2016 - 8:21am

Bill O’Reilly promises to ‘flee’ to Ireland if Bernie Sanders becomes president
Tempted yet?
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