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islander

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Posted: Dec 9, 2012 - 5:50pm

 buzz wrote:

dont be silly. if they fail, they'll pout and the government will take of them. hush now and fork over your fair share.

 
Where do I send the list of names to be taken care of?  They can just invoice me.
islander

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Posted: Dec 9, 2012 - 5:49pm

 hippiechick wrote:

You don't have children, right?

 
Not genetically linked ones. Do you think that somehow negates my impact on the subject?  I deal with a lot of young adults in the workplace, and I see the outcome of these "no one loses" tactics, they don't serve people well long term.
islander

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Posted: Dec 9, 2012 - 5:47pm

 Umberdog wrote:

The level of the steaks seem very subjective. A wound met in childhood can leave a scar lasting a lifetime. A scar that can echo itself onto ever life that life interacts with. Better to learn how to be a good loser. Winning teaches very little.

 
Even successful people often fail. The way they handle it is often part of why they are successful. I've learned far more from my failures than I have from my successes. 
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Posted: Dec 9, 2012 - 5:46pm

 islander wrote:

Or don't shield people from the fact that there is failure. Then when the try and fail, they understand that it happens sometimes, and you need to brush yourself off and try again, not pout because you somehow lost (when you never lost in school...). 

 
dont be silly. if they fail, they'll pout and the government will take of them. hush now and fork over your fair share.
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Posted: Dec 9, 2012 - 5:44pm

 hippiechick wrote:

Children under age 8 should be working on their skills, and not be worrying about winning and losing. Plus, the parents are much more competitive than their kids and they get really obnoxious.

 
What about things like Candyland and Chutes and Ladders ?  There is winning and losing involved.  There is more than just physical competition.  Checkers, Chess, debating clubs.  Competition involves rules, turn taking, sharing and dealing with emotions.  In Candyland, adults and children alike can play in the same game at the same time.

But more to your thoughts, playground games like Dodgeball are no longer allowed because its not PC and too many people 'lose' because not all possess the same physical skills and abilities.  Things like that, if you want to stay with your lines of thought.


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Posted: Dec 9, 2012 - 5:44pm

 islander wrote:

Or don't shield people from the fact that there is failure. Then when the try and fail, they understand that it happens sometimes, and you need to brush yourself off and try again, not pout because you somehow lost (when you never lost in school...). 

 
You don't have children, right?
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Posted: Dec 9, 2012 - 5:43pm

 islander wrote:

I'm with Buddy.

Competition is just the way we work through  challenge. Shielding people from failure doesn't do anyone any good. You will win and lose in life, best to learn how to do both gracefully when the stakes are low.

 
meddlesome social engineering as a defense against the onslaught of a precipitous cultural decline is irrelevant IMO
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Posted: Dec 9, 2012 - 5:43pm

 hippiechick wrote:

That's right, learn disappointment in life early, so you don't grow up thinking that the world is a nice place. 

 

 
Children who grow up feeling loved and confident will be happy people who know how to deal with disappointment, because they will know better than to take life's disappointments personally.

Children who are shamed, blamed, suffer failure and defeat, grow up to feel insecure and will constantly seek power and approval, possibly through violent means.

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Posted: Dec 9, 2012 - 5:43pm

 islander wrote:

I'm with Buddy.

Competition is just the way we work through  challenge. Shielding people from failure doesn't do anyone any good. You will win and lose in life, best to learn how to do both gracefully when the stakes are low.

 
The level of the steaks seem very subjective. A wound met in childhood can leave a scar lasting a lifetime. A scar that can echo itself onto every life that life interacts with. Better to learn how to be a good loser. Winning teaches very little.


islander

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Posted: Dec 9, 2012 - 5:43pm

 hippiechick wrote:

That's right, learn disappointment in life early, so you don't grow up thinking that the world is a nice place. 

 

 
Or don't shield people from the fact that there is failure. Then when the try and fail, they understand that it happens sometimes, and you need to brush yourself off and try again, not pout because you somehow lost (when you never lost in school...). 
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Posted: Dec 9, 2012 - 5:43pm

 islander wrote:
I'm with Buddy.
 
i'm with you

and buddy

and schlabby

and manbird

and ov

and jesus "swan diving" christ

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Posted: Dec 9, 2012 - 5:39pm

 islander wrote:

I'm with Buddy.

Competition is just the way we work through  challenge. Shielding people from failure doesn't do anyone any good. You will win and lose in life, best to learn how to do both gracefully when the stakes are low.

 
That's right, learn disappointment in life early, so you don't grow up thinking that the world is a nice place. 

 
islander

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Posted: Dec 9, 2012 - 5:37pm

 buddy wrote:
I get a great deal of happiness & satisfaction out if competition - win or lose. Competing motivates me to try my very best, and a tough opponent brings that out in spades. I was once a serious racquetball player, and many nights at the club I'd play the challenge court a level above my ability. I'd lose every time but the level of competition was exhilarating. Thinking of competition only in terms if winning & losing is missing the point of competition. In the real world, we compete every day in a variety of ways, sometimes winning, sometimes not. Having kids "compete to a tie" is not competing at all. It's a lost opportunity to teach kids how to both win and lose with grace, and how to "win" a the best challenge of all - to discover your own personal best and try to improve that through competition. For me, the whole "don't let kids lose" idea is grounded in cliche, dated 70's pop psychology. So, again in my own view, 'competition' is a completely different conversation from 'winning & losing'.

 
I'm with Buddy.

Competition is just the way we work through  challenge. Shielding people from failure doesn't do anyone any good. You will win and lose in life, best to learn how to do both gracefully when the stakes are low.
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Posted: Dec 9, 2012 - 5:34pm

As soon as you realize you are happy, the emotion will likely give way to wanting something more; a mood which will very likely snuff out your happiness.
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Posted: Dec 9, 2012 - 5:22pm

 kurtster wrote:

Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.

Sir Winston Churchill.

The Founders of this great country were aware of many things.  The concept of Happiness was so important that it was given star billing in the Declaration Of Independence … the pursuit of Happiness.

Class warfare is an attack on happiness when considered in Churchill’s remarks.  The same can be said of secular attacks on religious events.

How is it that we idolize millionaire movie stars, canonize millionaire rock stars and worship millionaire athletes, yet demonize millionaire entrepreneurs and businessmen ?

There is a war on Happiness.  The fact that the smallest of voices can now attack and silence the joy or celebration of the many by claiming their rights are being trampled is absurd, for openers.



 
It depends on what type of socialism. Was he referring to Communistic socialism where the state owns all property and means of production? If so I would agree with him. But democratic socialism as practiced in N. Europe has been very successful economically and socially. Indeed, many of those countries rank highest in happiness in the world. Danmark consistently ranks #1 in happiest citizens. 

 

Happiness tops in Denmark, lowest in Togo, study says

How happy is your country? In a report released for the meeting, economists John Helliwell, Richard Layard and Jeffrey Sachs round up what is known about happiness around the globe.

Different groups have asked different questions to measure happiness. In the widest such survey, Gallup asked people to rate their lives from 0 to 10. It found huge differences in global happiness: More than a third of Europeans ranked themselves an 8 or higher. Less than 5% said so in sub-Saharan Africa.

According to polls taken from 2005 to 2011, these were the happiest countries:

  1. Denmark
  2. Finland
  3. Norway
  4. Netherlands
  5. Canada
  6. Switzerland
  7. Sweden
  8. New Zealand
  9. Australia
  10. Ireland

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Posted: Dec 9, 2012 - 3:55pm

 hippiechick wrote:

Children under age 8 should be working on their skills, and not be worrying about winning and losing. Plus, the parents are much more competitive than their kids and they get really obnoxious.

 
Indeed - + competition seems to be linked to aggressive behaviour.
Umberdog

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Posted: Dec 9, 2012 - 3:25pm

 hippiechick wrote:
Children under age 8 should be working on their skills, and not be worrying about winning and losing. Plus, the parents are much more competitive than their kids and they get really obnoxious.
 
I doubt there are any adults left in the USA. I think our comforts have neotenized them away.


hippiechick

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Posted: Dec 9, 2012 - 12:40pm

 buddy wrote:
I get a great deal of happiness & satisfaction out if competition - win or lose. Competing motivates me to try my very best, and a tough opponent brings that out in spades. I was once a serious racquetball player, and many nights at the club I'd play the challenge court a level above my ability. I'd lose every time but the level of competition was exhilarating. Thinking of competition only in terms if winning & losing is missing the point of competition. In the real world, we compete every day in a variety of ways, sometimes winning, sometimes not. Having kids "compete to a tie" is not competing at all. It's a lost opportunity to teach kids how to both win and lose with grace, and how to "win" a the best challenge of all - to discover your own personal best and try to improve that through competition. For me, the whole "don't let kids lose" idea is grounded in cliche, dated 70's pop psychology. So, again in my own view, 'competition' is a completely different conversation from 'winning & losing'.

 
Children under age 8 should be working on their skills, and not be worrying about winning and losing. Plus, the parents are much more competitive than their kids and they get really obnoxious.
buddy

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Posted: Dec 9, 2012 - 12:24pm

I get a great deal of happiness & satisfaction out if competition - win or lose. Competing motivates me to try my very best, and a tough opponent brings that out in spades.

I was once a serious racquetball player, and many nights at the club I'd play the challenge court a level above my ability. I'd lose every time but the level of competition was exhilarating.

Thinking of competition only in terms if winning & losing is missing the point of competition. In the real world, we compete every day in a variety of ways, sometimes winning, sometimes not. Having kids "compete to a tie" is not competing at all. It's a lost opportunity to teach kids how to both win and lose with grace, and how to "win" a the best challenge of all - to discover your own personal best and try to improve that through competition.

For me, the whole "don't let kids lose" idea is grounded in cliche, dated 70's pop psychology. So, again in my own view, 'competition' is a completely different conversation from 'winning & losing'.
hippiechick

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Posted: Dec 9, 2012 - 12:21pm

 aflanigan wrote:
The happiness obtained from defeating an opponent is rather shallow and fleeting.  I prefer more profound pleasures.



 
Couldn't see your vid, but ego based thinking is shallow and fleeting.
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