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Posted: Dec 12, 2012 - 9:35am

 hippiechick wrote:

I have said repeatedly that I am just attempting to present an idea, I am certainly not forcing it on anyone. I agree with your first statement, my point was that I am not just making this stuff up, it is, however, proving to be true for many many people. 

The start of my transformation came from just a few people sharing some information with me that rang true, and then proceeded to change my life. I am sharing that information, in the event that it might encourage another to take a look. 

This isn't a religion or a cult, it's a way of being. It's a way of relieving your mind of the thoughts that rule your life so that you can be present and truly alive. Do with it what you will.

 
I know it's a work-in-progress for you, but I think it's presumptuous to present these ideas to others especially when you don't always follow it yourself. I'm not talking presenting general ideas in a conversation as it relates to only your own life, you are foisting it onto individuals you feel need the info over and over again. At this point, It can almost be equated with religion being shoved down a throat. It's condescending to assume someone can't find their own self-help. Let the individual seek it out if they want it. We all know where to go if we want the info.

maybe you can start a thread to discuss the various philosophies with anyone that might be interested instead.
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Posted: Dec 12, 2012 - 9:15am

 sirdroseph wrote:


Hey, I am not hard to figure out at all. I actually take pride in that, what you see is what you get.

 
Me too, ain't got no secrets to reveal.
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Posted: Dec 12, 2012 - 9:14am

 sirdroseph wrote:


That's a "super sparkly day"!{#Lol}

 
Sparkly is always good!
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Posted: Dec 12, 2012 - 9:14am

 pigtail wrote:


Have a super day!!!{#Jump}

 
Thanks!
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Posted: Dec 12, 2012 - 9:08am

 sirdroseph wrote:


That's a "super sparkly day"!{#Lol}

 
Just don't hurt me......lol{#Naughty}
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Posted: Dec 12, 2012 - 9:07am

 sirdroseph wrote:


That's a "super sparkly day"!{#Lol}

 
Mr. Sparkle will "banish dirt to the land of wind and ghosts!"
mr sparkle


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Posted: Dec 12, 2012 - 9:04am

 pigtail wrote:


Have a super day!!!{#Jump}

 

That's a "super sparkly day"!{#Lol}
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Posted: Dec 12, 2012 - 9:03am

 hippiechick wrote:

I am leaving for work, don't worry. I won't make any attempt to enlighten anyone again, at least not today!

 

Have a super day!!!{#Jump}
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Posted: Dec 12, 2012 - 8:57am

 sirdroseph wrote:


With a large enough sample size accompanied by a large ego. Sure, to a certain extent.

 

{#Eek}

.{#Doh}

.{#Idea}

.
{#Shhh}
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Posted: Dec 12, 2012 - 8:56am

 hippiechick wrote:

That's okay, I've got a profile on you too

 

Hey, I am not hard to figure out at all. I actually take pride in that, what you see is what you get.
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Posted: Dec 12, 2012 - 8:54am

 sirdroseph wrote:


With a large enough sample size accompanied by a large ego. Sure, to a certain extent.

 
That's okay, I've got a profile on you too
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Posted: Dec 12, 2012 - 8:54am

 pigtail wrote:

Not again :(

 
I am leaving for work, don't worry. I won't make any attempt to enlighten anyone again, at least not today!
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Posted: Dec 12, 2012 - 8:53am

 hippiechick wrote:

As Sheldon Cooper says, I'm not bipolar, I've been tested. 

This subject has certainly inflamed your ego. And you are totally off base. Are you trying to prove something with those comments? Do you think you know me so well that you can do a psychological profile on me, by what I post online?

 

With a large enough sample size accompanied by a large ego. Sure, to a certain extent.
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Posted: Dec 12, 2012 - 8:46am


Not again :(
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Posted: Dec 12, 2012 - 8:41am

 MsJudi wrote:

Also this:

hippiechick wrote:

Your ego is so tied up that you find my comments a threat to your very existence.

(from Wikipedia) 

Grandiosity is chiefly associated with narcissistic personality disorder, but also commonly features in manic or hypomanic episodes of bipolar disorder. It refers to an unrealistic sense of superiority, a sustained view of oneself as better than others that causes the narcissist to view others with disdain or as inferior. It also refers to a sense of uniqueness, the belief that few others have anything in common with oneself and that one can only be understood by a few or very special people.

Also see:

Psychological projection or projection bias is a psychological defense mechanism where a person subconsciously denies his or her own attributes, thoughts, and emotions, which are then ascribed to the outside world, usually to other people. Thus, projection involves imagining or projecting the belief that others originate those feelings.

also see especially:

Megalomania is a psychopathological disorder characterized by delusional fantasies of power, relevance, or omnipotence. 'Megalomania is characterized by an inflated sense of self-esteem and overestimation by persons of their powers and beliefs'.


You genuinely believe that by your words alone, you can threaten the existence of others.

I assure you, that's not the case, nor is its belief healthy.



 
As Sheldon Cooper says, I'm not bipolar, I've been tested. 

This subject has certainly inflamed your ego. And you are totally off base. Are you trying to prove something with those comments? Do you think you know me so well that you can do a psychological profile on me, by what I post online?


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Posted: Dec 12, 2012 - 8:35am

 hippiechick wrote:
The ego is so strong that even a discussion about its diminishment causes people to feel threatened, because, if you are not this and that, who and what are you.
 
Also this:

 hippiechick wrote:

Buzz seems to be disappointed in my successes in life....
 
Also this:

hippiechick wrote:

Your ego is so tied up that you find my comments a threat to your very existence.

(from Wikipedia) 

Grandiosity is chiefly associated with narcissistic personality disorder, but also commonly features in manic or hypomanic episodes of bipolar disorder. It refers to an unrealistic sense of superiority, a sustained view of oneself as better than others that causes the narcissist to view others with disdain or as inferior. It also refers to a sense of uniqueness, the belief that few others have anything in common with oneself and that one can only be understood by a few or very special people.

Also see:

Psychological projection or projection bias is a psychological defense mechanism where a person subconsciously denies his or her own attributes, thoughts, and emotions, which are then ascribed to the outside world, usually to other people. Thus, projection involves imagining or projecting the belief that others originate those feelings.

also see especially:

Megalomania is a psychopathological disorder characterized by delusional fantasies of power, relevance, or omnipotence. 'Megalomania is characterized by an inflated sense of self-esteem and overestimation by persons of their powers and beliefs'.


You genuinely believe that by your words alone, you can threaten the existence of others.

I assure you, that's not the case, nor is its belief healthy.




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Posted: Dec 12, 2012 - 8:23am

 Zukiwi wrote:

1) Argumentum ad populum - this is a logical fallacy.  the fact that an alleged number of people find it useful, helpful or true, does not make it so.

Quite frankly, It did not appear to me you were engaged in any type of philosophical discussion, but rather in philosophical assertions. That does not mean that you did not make valid points, you did base on my perspective. However, because some of us hold a belief based on our private experience, it does not make it true for another and some opposing views can be very well as good if not better.

In other words, what works for you is good for you - It is simply not à propos to assume that it will be good for everybody, in all circumstances - and that their ways can be as good if not better than yours. Just my IMO

 
I have said repeatedly that I am just attempting to present an idea, I am certainly not forcing it on anyone. I agree with your first statement, my point was that I am not just making this stuff up, it is, however, proving to be true for many many people. 

The start of my transformation came from just a few people sharing some information with me that rang true, and then proceeded to change my life. I am sharing that information, in the event that it might encourage another to take a look. 

This isn't a religion or a cult, it's a way of being. It's a way of relieving your mind of the thoughts that rule your life so that you can be present and truly alive. Do with it what you will.
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Posted: Dec 12, 2012 - 8:12am

 hippiechick wrote:

Millions of people have found inner peace from the teachings of these 2 men, including myself.(1) I have given Eckhart Tolle's book to many people and it has helped several, including the man I live with. Tolle himself admits that he didn't make this stuff up, he is just pointing the way, and the Dalai Lama says if it doesn't work for you, forget it. I am just sharing the information.

The ego is so strong that even a discussion about its diminishment causes people to feel threatened, because, if you are not this and that, who and what are you.

I thought I was having a philosophical discussion until the nastiness started. So whatever people. If your pain and suffering has taken over your life, or you just want to learn how to live a different kind of life, pick up the book, or study Buddhism. There are other tried and true methods. Whatever works for you, helps to bring you inner peace. That is all. 

 
1) Argumentum ad populum - this is a logical fallacy.  the fact that an alleged number of people find it useful, helpful or true, does not make it so.

Quite frankly, It did not appear to me you were engaged in any type of philosophical discussion, but rather in philosophical assertions. That does not mean that you did not make valid points, you did base on my perspective. However, because some of us hold a belief based on our private experience, it does not make it true for another and some opposing views can be very well as good if not better.

In other words, what works for you is good for you - It is simply not à propos to assume that it will be good for everybody, in all circumstances - and that their ways can be as good if not better than yours. Just my IMO
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Posted: Dec 12, 2012 - 7:21am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

This goes immediately off-topic again but the ¶ above that I bolded reminded me of this article I just read, on the definition and origin of the definition of "freedom."

Leveson inquiry

Illustration by Tim Lahan

 
 

 
Very  interesting article ! Thanks for the link
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Posted: Dec 12, 2012 - 7:00am

 Zep wrote:
Is Kurt still in this forum? Did he bail? 


Kurt! Yo KURTSTER! Get in here and clean up this mess! 

He started this party with a discussion on "the Pursuit of Happiness" in the context of the Declaration of Independence. That particular phrase replaced "Life, Liberty, and Property" in earlier drafts, signifying that property was equated with happiness. "Property" is more than chattel; it is the freedoms that accrued to the individual under natural law. "We hold these truths to be self-evident," the founders proclaimed, arguing that personal freedoms could not be taken away not just by the King, but by any mortal. 

Is there a "war" on personal rights? Who is waging this battle? And is it reasonable to expect that no change in the assessment of freedoms cannot have happened over 230 years? If we are to allow that, then we also allow our concept of natural law has been altered, perhaps irrevocably. Did this happen due to an enlightened treatment of women, slaves, and minorities? Was it also prompted by a much smaller, crowded world, one where land rights must be tempered by impacts on neighbors? 

I think this is the concept of happiness on which Kurt was seeking discussion. The founders would be puzzled by modern lamentations of personal happiness, which would fall squarely in the realm of priests, ministers, and God. 

 
This goes immediately off-topic again but the ¶ above that I bolded reminded me of this article I just read, on the definition and origin of the definition of "freedom."

Leveson inquiry

Illustration by Tim Lahan

 
 


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