Monkeysdad wrote: 

I find it amusing that people actually think it makes a difference.

 hippiechick wrote: 
You sound nervous that he might actually win.

 sirdroseph wrote: 
I'd rather vote for him than feel partly responsable for helping one of the others get in. And then I can't be blamed when they f*ck up.

 sirdroseph wrote: 
"Group W bench for Johnson"

 islander wrote: 
Ain't now way someone with that much common sense will ever sniff the White House, but he does have my vote which of course will do him absolutely no good!

 Monkeysdad wrote: 
Because Romney is one of the biggest tax offenders around.

 hippiechick wrote: 

Okay, I went back a reread the article, how'd you go from the rich stealing OR illegals getting a windfall from tax credits/stealing  to how I'm going to vote?

 sirdroseph wrote: 
I wish Gary Johnson could just go for the cool vote:

Gary Johnson is cooler than you. He lost toes to frostbite on Mount Everest (he made the summit). He's also stood atop McKinley and Kilimanjaro. He competes in mountain bike races. He broke his knee and back in a parachute mishap. 

Oh, and during his two terms as governer of New Mexico he fixed the budget problems, dealt with immigration, increased jobs and remodeled the governor's mansion. 

 DaveInVA wrote: 

Gary Johnson awaits your vote Dave!

 DaveInVA wrote: 
 I was actually asking MD but thanks for playing

 hippiechick wrote: 
I don't want to vote for any of them, its like being asked "Do you want to ge shot with a shotgun or a 45?"

 Monkeysdad wrote: 
Does that mean you will not vote for Romney?

 hippiechick wrote: 
I get all up when anybody does it.

 cc_rider wrote: 
Why is it that rich people can steal, but we get all up when poor people do it?

 hippiechick wrote:  I think it's similar to the EIC or something. You have more deductions than you have income, so they give you money. I don't think it's a refund.

Again, the system is broken. No matter how you feel about the situation, the system simply does not work for the good of the people. Well, not for the vast majority of wage-earners, anyway.

 hippiechick wrote: 
From the article:

"Refundable credits can result in refunds even if no income tax is withheld or paid," the report noted. "

 DaveInVA wrote: 
How do you get a refund if you don't pay in? The refurn is for overpaying, right?
 

 cc_rider wrote: 
It does say that many that didn't pay any income taxes still claimed the refund. And many don't file at all to pay taxes..And  its beyond broken. 

 DaveInVA wrote:  Interesting.

1) So illegal workers actually DO pay taxes on their income. Plus sales tax on their purchases, et al. Kinda shoots a hole in THAT talking point.

2) The law is vague and apparently unenforced. Whose fault is that? Not really the ditch-digger's problem, he's trying to work the system just like everybody else.

3) The problem should be fixed, absolutely.

4) $4.2B into the estimated 12 million illegal workers comes out to about $350/person. I've seen the jobs those folks do, I find it pretty difficult to begrudge them that.

We have two big problems contributing here:
1) Our tax system is hopelessly complex.

2) Our immigration policy, even our very borders, are a patchwork, and loosely enforced if at all.

Illegal Workers Used Tax Credit to Pocket $4.2 Billion, Audit Shows