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Red_Dragon

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Posted: Jan 27, 2023 - 3:45pm

 Isabeau wrote:


Gated tent communities under overpasses!


The homeless population in this town has exploded over the past five years of so. They used to hangout around just a few places near the city center; now they're all over town.  Another symptom of Late Stage Capitalism.
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Posted: Jan 27, 2023 - 2:52pm

 Isabeau wrote:


Gated tent communities under overpasses!


Sort of deliberately missing the point. Build nice middle-income housing, enough so that anyone who wants it can get it. They'll move out of their current place and make it available to someone further down the ladder. And so on. But as long as Americans aren't "buying a home" but are "investing in property," they'll fight anything that makes housing prices stop rising faster than inflation.
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Posted: Jan 27, 2023 - 10:27am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:



There’s No Such Thing as Affordable Housing
Daniel Herriges 
Jan 4, 2023

The upshot of the article is that simply building housing that meets the "affordable" criteria isn't going to do the job. Since it's new, it's going to be more desirable, and so its price will go up. People can get into affordable housing without moving: Either they make more money and have bought or have a contract that keeps their housing costs constant, or housing is built that doesn't fit the "affordable" definition but once there's a glut of housing available at the "top," that depresses prices all the way down the line.  So just frickin' build, and let the market do its thing.

I'm not sure I agree 100% but I do agree that just building any units is probably better than trying to get cheaper and cheaper housing to market.


Gated tent communities under overpasses!
ScottFromWyoming

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Posted: Jan 27, 2023 - 10:20am

 Isabeau wrote:


Agreed. However, with an affordable housing crisis here in the U.S., home ownership becoming out of reach or can't afford exorbitant rent hikes. Homelessness rising with the population already here ... where will these immigrant workers LIVE?
Farm workers may have bunk houses, but not the maid that works cleaning hotel rooms or the guy doing construction. How will they have affordable housing on the wages they make in our current environment? 



There’s No Such Thing as Affordable Housing
Daniel Herriges 
Jan 4, 2023

The upshot of the article is that simply building housing that meets the "affordable" criteria isn't going to do the job. Since it's new, it's going to be more desirable, and so its price will go up. People can get into affordable housing without moving: Either they make more money and have bought or have a contract that keeps their housing costs constant, or housing is built that doesn't fit the "affordable" definition but once there's a glut of housing available at the "top," that depresses prices all the way down the line.  So just frickin' build, and let the market do its thing.

I'm not sure I agree 100% but I do agree that just building any units is probably better than trying to get cheaper and cheaper housing to market.
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Posted: Jan 27, 2023 - 10:01am

 miamizsun wrote:


How labor shortages drive inflation and how immigration can help




By CECILIA ESTERLINEJANUARY 26, 2023

The first piece in our labor shortages series demonstrated how labor shortages negatively impact Americans’ quality of life. The staggering inflation rates were an added blow over the last year, and these two phenomena are connected as labor shortages contribute to the inflation rate’s unsustainable growth. Supplementing our labor force by recovering pandemic-era immigration losses can help.



Agreed. However, with an affordable housing crisis here in the U.S., home ownership becoming out of reach or can't afford exorbitant rent hikes. Homelessness rising with the population already here ... where will these immigrant workers LIVE?
Farm workers may have bunk houses, but not the maid that works cleaning hotel rooms or the guy doing construction. How will they have affordable housing on the wages they make in our current environment? 
miamizsun

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Posted: Jan 27, 2023 - 8:20am



How labor shortages drive inflation and how immigration can help




By CECILIA ESTERLINEJANUARY 26, 2023

The first piece in our labor shortages series demonstrated how labor shortages negatively impact Americans’ quality of life. The staggering inflation rates were an added blow over the last year, and these two phenomena are connected as labor shortages contribute to the inflation rate’s unsustainable growth. Supplementing our labor force by recovering pandemic-era immigration losses can help.







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Posted: Dec 22, 2022 - 10:06pm

 Red_Dragon wrote:

Borders are an anachronism. We are one species on one finite planet. We need to start acting like it.
 
Places like Russia make a good case for borders.  Just ask the Ukrainians ...

Maybe you should drop the Ukrainian flag from your avatar since you think that borders should not exist ... kinda hypocritical, eh ?
Red_Dragon

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Posted: Dec 22, 2022 - 4:05pm

 haresfur wrote:


Can't say I'd want to live in Canada with a completely open border to the US effin A


The US of fucking A needs to get the fuck over itself.
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Posted: Dec 22, 2022 - 4:01pm

 Red_Dragon wrote:


Borders are an anachronism. We are one species on one finite planet. We need to start acting like it.


Can't say I'd want to live in Canada with a completely open border to the US effin A
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Posted: Dec 22, 2022 - 3:59pm

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Posted: Dec 22, 2022 - 3:43pm

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:
I went to a thing where "liberals" were paired up with "conservatives" and you know which side I was recruited for but when the immigration subject was universally agreed to be a matter of degree, I dropped a Lazyism on them (I think) with "what right does a government have to restrict a person's freedom of movement?" and that was fun.



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Posted: Dec 22, 2022 - 2:44pm

 Bill_J wrote:


Imagine...


exactly
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Posted: Dec 22, 2022 - 2:36pm

 Red_Dragon wrote:


Borders are an anachronism. We are one species on one finite planet. We need to start acting like it.


Imagine...
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Posted: Dec 22, 2022 - 1:59pm

 haresfur wrote:


It is interesting to look back on about the first 150 years of Europeans in N. America (not counting the Vikings). People were moving freely back and forth across the borders. So you would think that the constitutional originalists would be on board with that. White people, anyway. These days Canada brings in far more refugees than the US, in spite of a much smaller population and economy.

I don't think there is an easy answer to how to frame the policies. The lines between economic, social, and political migrants are fuzzy. It is tricky in Australia with the proximity to some pretty awful places in Asia. We have a significant Sri Lankan-Tamil population but how much migration is it reasonable to accept when the Tamil area of India is right there? And probably over half of Afghanis would be better off here than there. Then there's Myranmar... As a pragmatist, I think the limiting factor on immigration is not as much about how many people could be absorbed but by the number that could be allowed in without a social backlash making for more restrictions in the long run. 


Borders are an anachronism. We are one species on one finite planet. We need to start acting like it.
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Posted: Dec 22, 2022 - 1:49pm

 miamizsun wrote:


i'm going to say this again (and again)

immigration is one of our super powers
allowing people to "move" to a country/system where they are free to peacefully produce and express is paramount





It is interesting to look back on about the first 150 years of Europeans in N. America (not counting the Vikings). People were moving freely back and forth across the borders. So you would think that the constitutional originalists would be on board with that. White people, anyway. These days Canada brings in far more refugees than the US, in spite of a much smaller population and economy.

I don't think there is an easy answer to how to frame the policies. The lines between economic, social, and political migrants are fuzzy. It is tricky in Australia with the proximity to some pretty awful places in Asia. We have a significant Sri Lankan-Tamil population but how much migration is it reasonable to accept when the Tamil area of India is right there? And probably over half of Afghanis would be better off here than there. Then there's Myranmar... As a pragmatist, I think the limiting factor on immigration is not as much about how many people could be absorbed but by the number that could be allowed in without a social backlash making for more restrictions in the long run. 
miamizsun

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Posted: Dec 22, 2022 - 10:41am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:


I went to a thing where "liberals" were paired up with "conservatives" and you know which side I was recruited for but when the immigration subject was universally agreed to be a matter of degree, I dropped a Lazyism on them (I think) with "what right does a government have to restrict a person's freedom of movement?" and that was fun.


trouble-maker!
ScottFromWyoming

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Posted: Dec 22, 2022 - 9:51am

 miamizsun wrote:


i'm going to say this again (and again)

immigration is one of our super powers
allowing people to "move" to a country/system where they are free to peacefully produce and express is paramount





I went to a thing where "liberals" were paired up with "conservatives" and you know which side I was recruited for but when the immigration subject was universally agreed to be a matter of degree, I dropped a Lazyism on them (I think) with "what right does a government have to restrict a person's freedom of movement?" and that was fun.
miamizsun

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Posted: Dec 22, 2022 - 4:13am

 haresfur wrote:

It's a system designed to fail. But fail slowly to keep people in limbo. But Legal Immigration! Right?



i'm going to say this again (and again)

immigration is one of our super powers
allowing people to "move" to a country/system where they are free to peacefully produce and express is paramount



haresfur

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Posted: Dec 21, 2022 - 2:32pm

 miamizsun wrote:
good gob that's ridiculous


It's a system designed to fail. But fail slowly to keep people in limbo. But Legal Immigration! Right?

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Posted: Dec 21, 2022 - 1:01pm

good gob that's ridiculous
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