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You fail again by conflating legal immigration with illegal immigration. There is a difference that you fail to acknowledge, let alone see.
All's that I can tell about you, old man, is that you are already well into your second childhood and making less and less sense the farther you progress into your second childhood, old man ...
You are becoming dangerously close to senility; so close you can't even tell.
last week I wasn't old enough for you to call myself old, but now I'm senile? Yet you are older than me (as you like to remind me). Now let's do an assessment on how much your depletion of health care resources has impacted other people who are paying into the health care system? It's just not fair that they aren't getting the same treatments that you are (with or without a disease).
You fail again by conflating legal immigration with illegal immigration. There is a difference that you fail to acknowledge, let alone see.
No, this is 100% you or you'd be railing against ICE going after US CITIZENS. You say you're all for legal immigration but here are people who came in "the right way" and you're silent about it, and the indiscriminate racist methods used to round up whoever isn't white.
Now you're agreeing that federal law enforcement has overstepped boundaries.
It's pretty simple, I agree: Both cases are murders. You use the murder of a young woman as a way to vilify an entire subgroup of the American population. The murder of a different young woman gets a shrug from you because why? White guy.
Immigrant kills a girl: Terrorize all immigrants, and people who might be immigrants, citizens or not, doesn't matter, just cause pain and suffering and death to all because isn't she pretty? White Ohio guy kills a girl: arrest, trial, prison. Neighbors, friends and family safe in their homes. No churches staked out or neighborhood Target store clerks curb-stomped. No white moms yanked out of their running cars with kids in the backseat and hauled away while strangers take care of their kids.
And I'm the one being accused of being disingenuous ? Please.
Local law enforcement is to deal with the 'Ohio Man". Or do you want federal law enforcement to overstep that boundary, too ?
Now you're agreeing that federal law enforcement has overstepped boundaries. Nice.
kurtster wrote:
I disagree.
What you are doing is conflating local law enforcement actions with federal immigration actions. Local law enforcement has a different mission and purpose than that of federal immigration enforcement. It is that simple.
It's pretty simple, I agree: Both cases are murders. You use the murder of a young woman as a way to vilify an entire subgroup of the American population. The murder of a different young woman gets a shrug from you because why? White guy.
Immigrant kills a girl: Terrorize all immigrants, and people who might be immigrants, citizens or not, doesn't matter, just cause pain and suffering and death to all because isn't she pretty? White Ohio guy kills a girl: arrest, trial, prison. Neighbors, friends and family safe in their homes. No churches staked out or neighborhood Target store clerks curb-stomped. No white moms yanked out of their running cars with kids in the backseat and hauled away while strangers take care of their kids.
Not like there are any white guys around who use far more resources than they put into the system (cough, cough, your insurance company).
Maybe we just see a benefit from helping people who need it to become valuable and contributing members of the society? And we believe that on average those people are a net benefit. Birth rates are down. By 2030 we are projected to have more deaths than births. That means in 4 years we will be DEPENDENT on immigration for growth, which is what your whole economic model is based on (for better or worse argument tabled here). Also, much to your chagrin, immigrants tend to have more babies.
Look Cap'n Kiddie.
You fail again by conflating legal immigration with illegal immigration. There is a difference that you fail to acknowledge, let alone see.
All's that I can tell about you, old man, is that you are already well into your second childhood and making less and less sense the farther you progress into your second childhood, old man ...
You are becoming dangerously close to senility; so close you can't even tell.
What you are doing is conflating local law enforcement actions with federal immigration actions. Local law enforcement has a different mission and purpose than that of federal immigration enforcement. It is that simple.
The first priority for removal and deportation is those who are criminals. You disagree with that ? Evidently.
Local law enforcement is to deal with the 'Ohio Man". Or do you want federal law enforcement to overstep that boundary, too ?
And square that with "Defund the Police" from your side. So "Ohio Man" can keep walking free.
You are the one who is making no sense.
Truth is, you want no one deported. To you there is no such thing as illegal immigration and our borders should be wide open to anyone and everyone who wants to come in. And shower them with benefits by taking the funds away from US citizens to benefit the "recent arrivals" who you so steadfastly support.
Not like there are any white guys around who use far more resources than they put into the system (cough, cough, your insurance company).
Maybe we just see a benefit from helping people who need it to become valuable and contributing members of the society? And we believe that on average those people are a net benefit. Birth rates are down. By 2030 we are projected to have more deaths than births. That means in 4 years we will be DEPENDENT on immigration for growth, which is what your whole economic model is based on (for better or worse argument tabled here). Also, much to your chagrin, immigrants tend to have more babies.
This is because you are looking at the argument he is making. What he means is that people with darker skin need to be rounded up and made to go away and it's okay to use any convenient pretext, legitimate or not, to make that happen. Now go back and look at his argument and it will make more sense.
You really are a fucking asshole. Nowhere do I mention race, ethnicity or skin color in any of my arguments.
You however, keep injecting it into your arguments. You are the real racist. It is the only means you have of making your case.
I'm not defending any crime anywhere, that's your schtick. What I'm saying is your insistence that immigrants need to be terrorized into leaving because some pretty girl got murdered is stupid reasoning. Murderers need to be arrested and dealt with, period. The girl in my linked article was killed by a white guy somewhere near you. I could easily find the same somewhere near me or anywhere in the US because white men killing young women is pretty goddam common. Yet you're not advocating for rounding up middle aged white guys. Why not? They kill more young women per capita than immigrants, but you're content to let the wheels of justice grind slowly for the more dangerous group but insist on total eradication for the other, less dangerous group. You make no sense.
This is because you are looking at the argument he is making. What he means is that people with darker skin need to be rounded up and made to go away and it's okay to use any convenient pretext, legitimate or not, to make that happen. Now go back and look at his argument and it will make more sense.
that's your schtick. What I'm saying is your insistence that immigrants need to be terrorized into leaving because some pretty girl got murdered is stupid reasoning. Murderers need to be arrested and dealt with, period. The girl in my linked article was killed by a white guy somewhere near you. I could easily find the same somewhere near me or anywhere in the US because white men killing young women is pretty goddam common. Yet you're not advocating for rounding up middle aged white guys. Why not? They kill more young women per capita than immigrants, but you're content to let the wheels of justice grind slowly for the more dangerous group but insist on total eradication for the other, less dangerous group. You make no sense.
I disagree.
What you are doing is conflating local law enforcement actions with federal immigration actions. Local law enforcement has a different mission and purpose than that of federal immigration enforcement. It is that simple.
The first priority for removal and deportation is those who are criminals. You disagree with that ? Evidently.
Local law enforcement is to deal with the 'Ohio Man". Or do you want federal law enforcement to overstep that boundary, too ?
And square that with "Defund the Police" from your side. So "Ohio Man" can keep walking free.
You are the one who is making no sense.
Truth is, you want no one deported. To you there is no such thing as illegal immigration and our borders should be wide open to anyone and everyone who wants to come in. And shower them with benefits by taking the funds away from US citizens to benefit the "recent arrivals" who you so steadfastly support.
Sorry, did not click on your link. The premise you presented was enough not to need to. I took it to be another "oh look, a squirrel" as is so often leveled at me. If the "Ohio Man" example is so important to your argument defending illegal immigrant crime, why don't you just give me your synopsis in your own words instead.
I'm not defending any crime anywhere, that's your schtick. What I'm saying is your insistence that immigrants need to be terrorized into leaving because some pretty girl got murdered is stupid reasoning. Murderers need to be arrested and dealt with, period. The girl in my linked article was killed by a white guy somewhere near you. I could easily find the same somewhere near me or anywhere in the US because white men killing young women is pretty goddam common. Yet you're not advocating for rounding up middle aged white guys. Why not? They kill more young women per capita than immigrants, but you're content to let the wheels of justice grind slowly for the more dangerous group but insist on total eradication for the other, less dangerous group. You make no sense.
You keep saying WHOOSH. I do not think it means what you think it means. In the case of Ohio Man, you're not advocating for inflicting wholesale terror on white men and their families, or people of his genealogical makeup, despite the fact that they commit the heinous crimes at a higher rate than *waves hands at everyone else*
Sorry, did not click on your link. The premise you presented was enough not to need to. I took it to be another "oh look, a squirrel" as is so often leveled at me. If the "Ohio Man" example is so important to your argument defending illegal immigrant crime, why don't you just give me your synopsis in your own words instead.
sorry, I haven't been in here for a couple of days. (not) but ...
Crime is crime. Excusing or minimizing crime because a certain group commits less of it per capita which is the argument put forth, does not excuse it at any level.
You keep saying WHOOSH. I do not think it means what you think it means. In the case of Ohio Man, you're not advocating for inflicting wholesale terror on white men and their families, or people of his genealogical makeup, despite the fact that they commit the heinous crimes at a higher rate than *waves hands at everyone else*
Didn't take me long to find a pretty young woman murdered by this guy
So all Ohio area white guys should be rounded up and flown to Guantanamo, right?
Answer the question, Kurt. And get some professional help.
sorry, I haven't been in here for a couple of days. (not) but ...
Crime is crime. Excusing or minimizing crime because a certain group commits less of it per capita which is the argument put forth, does not excuse it at any level.
