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 nuggler wrote: 
That's very interesting, since I didn't "call" any news sources.  Please explain how you arrived at your conclusion with zero information.


I agree that is true for any single news outlet.  But I don't confine myself to any single news outlet.


That's quite a run-together sentence!

If your claim is that the Internet is the only way to get credible news, I disagree.

While the Internet does make more actual news available to more people, it also allows anybody with a few bucks to put up a website, and present total BS as "news".

A recent study discovered that the majority of the nation's youth learned about current events from late night comedy shows on TV.  Comedians do parody the news, but what they say is not news itself.  But at least many comedians' jokes about current events reveal truisms that, if understood as such, can help gain great insights into current events.

Blogs and propaganda websites, OTOH do not offer news or insight.  Sure they're convenient for the lazy (both intellectually and in general), but the Internet only offers more people a greater opportunity to obfuscate real news with faux news and total BS.


Anything, but not everything.

Because "knowing stuff" isn't a need, "anything (you) need to know" can be contained in an empty jar.


CT alert!  CT alert!


So you're claiming that you are a trained, experienced and accredited journalist who somehow manages to show up at every newsworthy event, to witness it yourself.  I find that hard to believe.

The only way to know "which sources are trustworthy" is to compare what they say to what you know to be true.  And the only way to know what is true is to witness it yourself.  If you really are a super-newsman-sleuth, you might consider getting a gig reporting news...


How ironic, since earlier, you insinuated that you read braille "at my fingertips", not view images.  Which is it?

No matter how discerning your one eye is (or fingertips, for that matter), without a discerning mind, you have no advantage.  If you haven't learned to discern what is news from what are opinions, editorials and propaganda, no amount of sharpness of senses will make one iota of difference.

At any good college, the bulk of the freshman curriculum is devoted to teaching the student how to gather information, what sources of information have value, and which ones do not, and how to think objectively and logically in organizing this information into what is known as research.  Being able to do effective and valid research is the platform upon which all true knowledge is gained.

Those of you who have college educations should have at least adequate researching skills.  If not, you might ask for your money back!  Those who have not attended an institution of higher learning can learn how to research on their own, if they wish to.  It's not that hard.  But if you have made no effort to learn how to collect and process information in a way that produces useful knowledge, it should not surprise you that those of us who have are not impressed by your copy 'n' paste jobs from little-known websites of zero repute.

 Servo wrote: 
What you call credible news sources I see as nothing more than contrived opinionated blustering spin. You're only getting as much as what they deem necessary. If its mainstream you need I would suggest BBC though they're fast going the same route as CNN.
Since the advent of internet news happening on the other side of the globe is at my fingertips within minutes. Anything I need to know is out there, without all the FBI censorship & intervention (for now that is). I know which sources are trustworthy & I sleuth it myself. All it takes is a discerning eye.
Wolf Blitzer indeed. All MSM is giving you is Disneyland type showbiz with occasional snippets of dumbed down news.

Sorry to burst your bubble.

 kurtster wrote: 
About what?

I'm not making any wild-eyed, Henny Penny claims, or presenting some guy's WAG speculation as truth.  Must I explain the difference to you, so you'll understand just how inappropriate your demand is?

 Servo wrote: 

So how about a short list of news sources YOU consider credible and refer to regularly, just curious.

 nuggler wrote:
I didn't ask you to rattle off a short list of credible news sources, plus "FoxNews", I asked if you could back up your claims with actual news from a credible news source.  Apparently you cannot.

It should go without saying, but some website that I've never heard of before, that spells "news" with a "z" and has "blog" in the URL counts for nothing.  Blogs are not news.


Why are you telling me to do what I've said on many occasions that I do?   Maybe you could follow that advice before posting.


No, I'm not.

I follow the news, sure.  And I use credible news sources to help gain perspective on what is going on in the world around me.  But I do not report the news.  I'm not a journalist.  If I recount events that I've personally witnessed, that doesn't make me a journalist.  A witness, but not a journalist.

 nuggler wrote: 
Let's drop it.  You're right. Initially you didn't. I'm under pressure and I lashed out at what you posted. The truth is, that sort of thing has been weighing heavily on my mind lately and I'm searching every day for answers about what to do next, is it worth the work, WHAT do I do next, am I prepared for what's about to happen.... I mean heavy, heavy undue stress. I was wrong for it. I'm usually pretty good about letting be what is and gliding past things that I know I shouldn't let eat at me but I'm in a rough spot right now. I just hate to see it out there when I'm trying to cope with the things I am right now.

Peace,

J 

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote: 

That was me. You know, Enzo, I gave MIM absolutely no reason to come down on me. I assume the guy has been groomed as have others before him into believing that I am just plain bad news for RP by what he said. I've brought this up before & its been denied profusely before, which is fine. But don't take me for an idiot. As for the reference to Beaker being the culprit, I have no proof & it was meant as a dig to my good friend Beaker. He does so all the time. I'd hardly classify it as a bite from a rabid dog.

dionysius wrote:
I've never read the comic but the film is actually very funny as well as eye opening. I would recommend anyone who has any sort of pre judgement of Iran and it's people to watch it. I think they's be very surprised, i know i was.

 geordiezimmerman wrote: 

Thanks for the reco. I am eager to see it.

dionysius wrote:
The movie is superb !! Great animation, all black n white but used brilliantly.Loved it

Good place to post this. I'm right in the middle of reading Marjane Satrapi's marvelous Persepolis, one of the greatest graphic novels I've ever seen. It's a great way to learn not to judge this great nation by its idiotic government ( has some relevance here, too).



Can't wait to see the film adaptation (which is on our Netflix list).

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote: 
And that 24/7 comment about how I'm "conditioned".  Those were basically the assumptions / comments that fired me up. 

And there are other reasons why I came into the "Iran" thread.  There are threads that I venture into when I notice that certain people post to and their specific post is one that I'm interested in seeing, which is why I was in this one to begin with.   Sometimes I go ballistic when I'm under pressure.  Sue me.

I've already apologized for becoming irate.  I will exist as a more quiet observer from now on.   

 MusicIsMotion wrote:

My response. I will point out though that you are projecting your angers & fears onto one other person here at RP, namely myself. That's fine by me. I got big shoulders. You are not alone in that particular practise here & I suggest you don't cop out to it simply because others do. But bear in mind that if you're to find that higher ground you seek, you'll need to own your own fears & insecurities & work to transform them into faculties you can put to more positive use. That is your burden to carry & it'll be your lifelong duty to yourself first & foremost to shed that burden.

The global situation is what it is. I cannot remedy it. It is of great concern to myself & to a few others here. I believe I know within myself why it is as it is & I've been dropping hints here for quite some time. At any rate I'm unlikely to quit voicing these concerns because it is people like us, you & me, that unconsciously nurture the impulses that work against our very lives & only through reaching that realization, in each & everyone of us, can we begin to set the winds of change in motion, something that sitting with our thumps up our arses while listening to tunes will not achieve. Here I speak not of everyday politics either. No. I'm talking about higher ground here & I, for one, am hopeful. But I'm not BSing myself on this one. It will get a lot worse before it gets better with the efforts we're putting in right now. This is my reality as I see it. It might not be yours.

If these issues sicken you & others as you say, I suggest you avoid the forums where those with concerns are discussing them. On the other hand, if I am the reason others are sickened, & as of today I have reason to believe I might be, please let me know. A while back I opened a journal for precisely this reason & I was serious about taking the necessary steps to remedy that apparent situation. I suggest that you & others who might feel that way place your votes in that journal. I will abide by it.

 MusicIsMotion wrote: 

Yeah, except there are two levels at work here.

You were wrong for complaining bout Nuggsie's doom and gloom preaching. If he believes in it then, you got to grant it to him
 
The other level tho, was the supercilious, needling arrogance of insinuating that anyone who doesn't see things his way is on a lower level of consciousness.
Phrases such as "I see Beaker has got you too" etc. is a bite from a rabid dog and deserves a good kick in the proverbials.

 geordiezimmerman wrote: 
Thank you! Some of us enjoy having debate and discussion, and if you don't stay out of the threads that have debate and discussion. I am not condoning name calling, which I think destroys the process, but hearty discussion is good. Just like I never go into the sports threads, anyone who doesn't like the activity should find another thread.

Maybe we should start to give a rating system (I'm too busy to be clever right now).

out_to_lunch wrote:
Yeah i'm gulping down a lovely czech Budvar, perfect after my chicken

 geordiezimmerman wrote: 
Indeed.

 geordiezimmerman wrote: 

Wow. Very succinct post.