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Posted: Apr 16, 2020 - 12:58pm



 Lazy8 wrote:

What needs to "happen"? Did any of those mentioned renounce the cause? Hitchens up and died; if you expect him to speak from the grave you missed the point of his late work. Some of them have said what they needed to say and moved on, and to a large extent their arguments carried the day.

On 9/11/01 (which the article correctly points out as the spark that lit their fires) declaring yourself an atheist meant an end to your public participation in political debates in any meaningful sense; that's no longer true. There is now space in public discourse for people who don't believe in gods.

Here's another one:
How did it fail?



I don't see anything in the article to indicate failure, unless your only metric is google search terms. The author includes a telling graph projecting current trends in religious affiliation—nothing but down. Religious affiliation has been declining for decades and that trend has only accelerated. If anything religion is failing. Or do you have some other definition of success?
 



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Posted: Apr 16, 2020 - 12:45pm

Ohmsen wrote:

What needs to "happen"? Did any of those mentioned renounce the cause? Hitchens up and died; if you expect him to speak from the grave you missed the point of his late work. Some of them have said what they needed to say and moved on, and to a large extent their arguments carried the day.

On 9/11/01 (which the article correctly points out as the spark that lit their fires) declaring yourself an atheist meant an end to your public participation in political debates in any meaningful sense; that's no longer true. There is now space in public discourse for people who don't believe in gods.

Here's another one:
How did it fail?



I don't see anything in the article to indicate failure, unless your only metric is google search terms. The author includes a telling graph projecting current trends in religious affiliation—nothing but down. Religious affiliation has been declining for decades and that trend has only accelerated. If anything religion is failing. Or do you have some other definition of success?
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Posted: Apr 16, 2020 - 11:48am

God only knows what the atheists will come up with.
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Posted: Apr 16, 2020 - 11:32am



 oldviolin wrote:

Anyhow I'll try to come up with a meaningful question 
{#Good-vibes}

Here's one: 

Whatever happened to New Atheism?


Here's another one:

How did it fail?



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Posted: Apr 16, 2020 - 11:18am


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Posted: Apr 16, 2020 - 11:14am

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To whatever significance one assigns by method of default. That makes it even more interesting. 27 is indeed a significant number to those who examine such things in detail.
 
Anyhow I'll try to come up with a meaningful question {#Good-vibes}
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Posted: Apr 16, 2020 - 11:13am

 Lazy8 wrote:
oldviolin wrote:
Cube of 3. Interesting. Why did you choose that number if I might ask?

No choice involved—luck of the draw. Random chance. Fate. Karma. Dog's will.
 
To whatever significance one assigns by method of default. That makes it even more interesting. 27 is indeed a significant number to those who examine such things in detail.
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Posted: Apr 16, 2020 - 11:09am

oldviolin wrote:
Cube of 3. Interesting. Why did you choose that number if I might ask?

No choice involved—luck of the draw. Random chance. Fate. Karma. Dog's will.
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Posted: Apr 16, 2020 - 11:06am

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It's that time of year. Hit me!
 
Cube of 3. Interesting. Why did you choose that number if I might ask?
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Posted: Apr 16, 2020 - 10:32am

It's that time of year. Hit me!

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Posted: Apr 19, 2019 - 1:42pm

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Do they still struggle with that music thing?



No, pretty much have that covered.


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Posted: Apr 19, 2019 - 1:22pm

Do they still struggle with that music thing?


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Posted: Apr 19, 2019 - 10:37am

 Lazy8 wrote:
Dang, we missed National Ask an Atheist day yesterday.

Just for that answers are half price today.

 
I think answering any questions on Good Friday is more fun, anyway!  And, in case anyone is inclined to ask:

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Posted: Apr 19, 2019 - 10:24am

Dang, we missed National Ask an Atheist day yesterday.

Just for that answers are half price today.
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Posted: May 10, 2018 - 6:56pm

Is It Just an 'Atheists' Club'? Inside the House of Representatives' New Freethought Caucus
As religious tensions flare in the House, four Democratic congressmen are launching a new group dedicated to science-based policy, separation of church and state, and freedom for all—including atheists.
Rep. Jared Huffman, one of the founders of the Freethought Caucus, identifies as a
Rep. Jared Huffman, one of the founders of the Freethought Caucus, identifies as a "humanist." He was the second member of Congress ever to openly profess to having an ethical system that's not based on God.

The nearly 500 registered caucuses in the House of Representatives cover seemingly every issue. They represent social problems (Homelessness Caucus, Military Sexual Assault Prevention Caucus); industries (Coal Caucus, Steel Caucus); diseases (Caucus on Parkinson's Disease, Childhood Cancer Caucus); and foreign relations (Friends of Switzerland Caucus, U.S.-China Working Group). They are liberal (Progressive Caucus), conservative (Freedom Caucus), and bipartisan (Bipartisan Congressional Task Force to Combat Identity Theft and Fraud). They can be made up of only a single member, or dozens.

Despite this diversity, historians Pacific Standard consulted have never heard of anything quite like the new caucus announced last week by four Democratic congressmen: the Freethought Caucus. Formed in consultation with groups that advocate for non-theist world views, the Freethought Caucus has four goals, according to its press release:

1) to promote public policy formed on the basis of reason, science, and moral values; 2) to protect the secular character of our government by adhering to the strict Constitutional principle of the separation of church and state; 3) to oppose discrimination against atheists, agnostics, humanists, seekers, religious and nonreligious persons ... and 4) to provide a forum for members of Congress to discuss their moral frameworks, ethical values, and personal religious journeys.

"It hearkens back to Enlightenment ideas from when this country was started," says Ray Smock, who was the House of Representatives historian from 1983 to 1995. "Aside from that thought, I've never heard of anything quite like it."

Stephen Weldon, a historian of science and religion at the University of Oklahoma, pointed to polls showing what a political liability it is for a candidate to be atheist. "So to have a Congressional Freethought Caucus is pretty historic, I would say," he writes in an email exchange. (...)


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Posted: Apr 19, 2018 - 12:28pm

yeah baby


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Posted: Apr 16, 2017 - 10:19am

 kurtster wrote:

third door on the left.  mind the empty bottles on the way down the hall ...

 
lololol

Just passed the Office Of Righteous Entanglements...


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Posted: Apr 16, 2017 - 10:05am

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So where is the "Ask A Rationalist" thread. Oh, wait. Stop trying to trip me up, will ya?

 
third door on the left.  mind the empty bottles on the way down the hall ...
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Posted: Apr 16, 2017 - 9:55am

So where is the "Ask A Rationalist" thread? Oh, wait. Stop trying to trip me up, will ya?


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Posted: Apr 16, 2017 - 9:54am

 Lazy8 wrote:
 oldviolin wrote:
Oh. I was confusing?

No more than usual.

 
Ah ha! A rationalist! I knew it...
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