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Posted: Aug 28, 2015 - 6:03pm

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So atheists have no fear of dying.  Ok ...

And what does pain have to do with dying ?  Seems totally unrelated to me.  Two separate issues.

Seems like much ado about nothing.  

Oh well, on to other things.  Have a nice day.
 
Pain (suffering) was used as a sort of control group vs. the idea of what people believe happens when you die. The latter may include the strange idea you'll end up in some form of hell (as threatened by some religions). This obviously has zero impact on most atheists since they don't drink the kool-aid.

It's fairly obvious that the process of dying can be very painful and that the idea of a protracted period of suffering may be stressful in itself to some people (hence euthanasia). Atheists are not immune to the possibility of having to endure suffering as the end approaches. I think most of us would prefer to simply pass away during a good night's sleep.
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Posted: Aug 28, 2015 - 5:32pm

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Why Atheists Terrify Believers
Their presence challenges fundamental defense mechanisms that protect people from fear of death.

 
So atheists have no fear of dying.  Ok ...

And what does pain have to do with dying ?  Seems totally unrelated to me.  Two separate issues.

Seems like much ado about nothing.  

Oh well, on to other things.  Have a nice day. 
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Posted: Aug 28, 2015 - 2:30pm

I Asked Atheists How They Find Meaning In A Purposeless Universe


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Posted: May 31, 2015 - 9:40pm

Teens are fleeing religion like never before: Massive new study exposes religion’s decline

(...) “These trends are part of a larger cultural context, a context that is often missing in polls about religion,” Twenge says. “One context is rising individualism in U.S. culture. Individualism puts the self first, which doesn’t always fit well with the commitment to the institution and other people that religion often requires. As Americans become more individualistic, it makes sense that fewer would commit to religion.”

The study also notes an “increasing acknowledgment that religion is not consistent with scientific understanding” could be driving adolescents away from religion.  It is possible that “debates about teaching creationism or intelligent design in U.S. schools, such as those in Kansas in 2005, pushed some young people away from religion,” Twenge and her colleagues write in the study.

The generational decline of religion’s appeal in America has been documented in other studies as well, including one published last year by Massachusetts computer scientist Allen Downey. Downey’s conclusion as to why Americans are turning to atheism contrasts with Twenge’s, however. As noted by the MIT Technology review, Downey finds unprecedented access to information afforded by the Internet to be a major factor in determining a person’s inclination to embrace religion. The Internet, Downey argues, could be as significant a variable as childhood religious upbringing in influencing an individual’s spiritual outcomes.


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Posted: May 6, 2015 - 8:54am

Why Atheists Terrify Believers
Their presence challenges fundamental defense mechanisms that protect people from fear of death.
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Posted: Apr 21, 2015 - 2:04pm

Atheists Are as Emotionally Healthy as Believers - Pacific Standard
New research questions the link between religiosity and mental health.

Is being a believer beneficial to one’s mental health? That's the conclusion of much psychological research, which points to both the social support of belonging to a congregation, and the stress-reducing qualities of knowing that a larger force is looking out for you.

But a newly published study challenges those beliefs. Analyzing answers provided by a large and diverse group of participants, it finds “secular and religious adherents have similar levels of mental health.”

“The impaired mental health stigma against secular (individuals) is, at the very least, an exaggeration,” write Jon T. Moore of the Veterans Affairs Health Care System in Palo Alto, California, and Mark Leach of the University of Louisville. Their research is published in the journal Psychology of Religion and Spirituality. (...)


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Posted: Apr 16, 2015 - 2:24pm

In honor of Ask An Atheist Day I present a cobbled-together documentary on the life and letters of Christopher Hitchens.

'The Hitch'- Christopher Hitchens documentary from Kristoffer Hellesmark on Vimeo.


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Posted: Apr 6, 2015 - 3:13pm

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Posted: Mar 23, 2015 - 6:38pm

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Memory is the second thing to go.

 
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Posted: Mar 23, 2015 - 6:07pm

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I stand corrected.  I see that I vehemently rejected the notion back then.  There were also opinions said that reinforced my thoughts.  Perhaps that is why I forgot.

A long time in between.  Not making any excuses.  Well if nothing else, I'm not afraid to review my beliefs and change them as time passes and input changes.  I'll take that as a positive.  I really do seek to get things right.  This one is closed and over.

Thanks for clearing this up, seriously.

 

 
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Posted: Mar 23, 2015 - 5:02pm

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I stand corrected.  I see that I vehemently rejected the notion back then.  There were also opinions said that reinforced my thoughts.  Perhaps that is why I forgot.

A long time in between.  Not making any excuses.  Well if nothing else, I'm not afraid to review my beliefs and change them as time passes and input changes.  I'll take that as a positive.  I really do seek to get things right.  This one is closed and over.

Thanks for clearing this up, seriously.

 
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Posted: Mar 23, 2015 - 4:34pm

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Actually not.  I sure as hell wouldn't put it up again in these circumstances if it had.  I freely admit to getting things wrong when I do, but I never go about deliberately misleading anyone here on anything.  My original intent in posting it way back when was to find an explanation for the picture.  I never got one.

If it was discussed it was discussed in a thread different from where the picture was posted with everyone having a good laugh on me and I missed it.  It woulda been nice if someone had mentioned it to me directly if it was already discussed.  But that is the way of this place at times.

 
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Posted: Mar 23, 2015 - 4:12pm

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I'm pretty sure the camera strap theory was discussed here before.

 
Actually not.  I sure as hell wouldn't put it up again in these circumstances if it had.  I freely admit to getting things wrong when I do, but I never go about deliberately misleading anyone here on anything.  My original intent in posting it way back when was to find an explanation for the picture.  I never got one.

If it was discussed it was discussed in a thread different from where the picture was posted with everyone having a good laugh on me and I missed it.  It woulda been nice if someone had mentioned it to me directly if it was already discussed.  But that is the way of this place at times.
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Posted: Mar 23, 2015 - 3:40pm

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Thanks for the straight answer to a straight question.

The coincidences part was tongue in cheek about having enough reservations to not share it with the home owner because I admitted that 'I don't know' what it was to myself and was not sure enough to offer it up for what I thought it might be.  I offered it up here the same way.  Here's a picture that I took that has been seen here several times over the years and I'm still looking for an explanation.  I finally got one and accepted it gladly.  I just wish that I had gotten this explanation many years ago.

 
I'm pretty sure the camera strap theory was discussed here before.
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Posted: Mar 23, 2015 - 2:09pm

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Far from a pro here (though I have produced images with fingers and straps in front of the lens), but if it had autofocus, it got the fabric right (in focus) and thus it can't focus on the much nearer strap. You could end up with a variety of pictures depending on where the focus ends up. The size and position of the strap will likely be a factor too. More a question for "Ask a photographer".

Coincidence exists (though, like "free will", that too could be argued endlessly if need be), however sometimes a coincidence isn't what it appears to be. {#Wink}

 
Thanks for the straight answer to a straight question.

The coincidences part was tongue in cheek about having enough reservations to not share it with the home owner because I admitted that 'I don't know' what it was to myself and was not sure enough to offer it up for what I thought it might be.  I offered it up here the same way.  Here's a picture that I took that has been seen here several times over the years and I'm still looking for an explanation.  I finally got one and accepted it gladly.  I just wish that I had gotten this explanation many years ago.
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Posted: Mar 23, 2015 - 11:02am

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What still has me wondering is how the image of the fabric is still crystal clear behind an opaque object.  I get the shadows, 
 
 If you "get" the shadows, it's not much of a leap to "getting" the foreground object's softness and translucence as well.


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Posted: Mar 23, 2015 - 10:23am

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ok, did some searching and found some similar images of a camera strap in a picture.  Very likely possibility.  Many people have seen it over the years and you are the first to mention the strap.  Its prolly a 101 level error for a pro to immediately see.  So I happily accept this explanation and it makes me glad we held back the photo from the owner.  

What still has me wondering is how the image of the fabric is still crystal clear behind an opaque object.  I get the shadows, but the clarity of the fabric piece still does not compute.  All the other images I saw clearly obscured all detail behind them.

So does this confirm or refute the notion that there are no coincidences ?

You can't prove there are no anythings, all you can prove is you haven't seen one yet. But even one is proof that there are coincidences.

But this isn't a coincidence, it's a failure to identify something compounded by speculation that the misidentified thing had a supernatural origin. Most claims of the paranormal are similar: I can't explain it, so it must be a ghost/UFO/bigfoot/a massive conspiracy by the Freemasons, Illuminati, the NSA, and the Post Office/god's will. They are leaps to a conclusion that can't be challenged because it isn't supported by anything but an inability to understand natural phenomena.

Our ability (as a species) to understand natural phenomena gets better and better, and the realm of miracles and the supernatural shrinks. In this case we didn't have to extend the reach of science at all to explain what you had seen, but the task of curating and extending science and human understanding of the natural world is never-ending.

It's like building a vast sand castle. The bigger the base of fundamental understanding gets the higher we can build it and the farther we can see from on top, but as we add to the top waves of irrationality lap at the base. Tides of ignorance and superstition occasionally wash in and make the whole project seem in doubt. And sometimes the castle only looks tall because you dug the sand from around the base.

We have a long ways to go as a species before most of us are comfortable saying "I don't know" when asked why something happened instead of just reverting to a familiar superstition. We have even further to go before we can feel the curiosity to fill in those gaps in our knowledge with more knowledge rather than plastering them over with myth.


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Posted: Mar 23, 2015 - 9:56am

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ok, did some searching and found some similar images of a camera strap in a picture.  Very likely possibility.  Many people have seen it over the years and you are the first to mention the strap.  Its prolly a 101 level error for a pro to immediately see.  So I happily accept this explanation and it makes me glad we held back the photo from the owner.  

What still has me wondering is how the image of the fabric is still crystal clear behind an opaque object.  I get the shadows, but the clarity of the fabric piece still does not compute.  All the other images I saw clearly obscured all detail behind them.

So does this confirm or refute the notion that there are no coincidences ?
 
Far from a pro here (though I have produced images with fingers and straps in front of the lens), but if it had autofocus, it got the fabric right (in focus) and thus it can't focus on the much nearer strap. You could end up with a variety of pictures depending on where the focus ends up. The size and position of the strap will likely be a factor too. More a question for "Ask a photographer".

Coincidence exists (though, like "free will", that too could be argued endlessly if need be), however sometimes a coincidence isn't what it appears to be. {#Wink}
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Posted: Mar 23, 2015 - 9:05am

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Looks like the camera strap (or something similar. Dreadlocks? {#Mrgreen}) was in front of the lens...

 
ok, did some searching and found some similar images of a camera strap in a picture.  Very likely possibility.  Many people have seen it over the years and you are the first to mention the strap.  Its prolly a 101 level error for a pro to immediately see.  So I happily accept this explanation and it makes me glad we held back the photo from the owner.  

What still has me wondering is how the image of the fabric is still crystal clear behind an opaque object.  I get the shadows, but the clarity of the fabric piece still does not compute.  All the other images I saw clearly obscured all detail behind them.

So does this confirm or refute the notion that there are no coincidences ?

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Posted: Mar 23, 2015 - 8:32am

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