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black321

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Posted: Sep 13, 2021 - 1:24pm

Never understood the war in Afghanistan. 
What was Al Qaeda? Bin Laden and a few hundred people in black jump suits hiding in desert caves?
Was the Neocon motive to better control oil pipelines, and once that became not doable, morphed into some weird crusade?
Why did we keep fighting after the killing of bin laden, 10 years ago?
If there was any winner in this battle, it was Bin Laden, as he predicted 20 y.a.
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Posted: Sep 13, 2021 - 1:13pm

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No doubt the usual suspects ... CFR Neocons and our other friends at the Chamber Of Commerce.

And others in the GOP swamp...
Who won the war on terror? American defense contractors, many of which were politically connected companies that had donated to George W. Bush’s presidential campaign, according to the Center for Public Integrity, a nonprofit that has been tracking spending in a series of reports called the Windfalls of War. One firm hired to help advise Iraqi ministries had a single employee — the husband of a deputy assistant secretary of defense.

For George W. Bush and his friends, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan achieved a great deal. President Bush got a chance to play a tough guy on TV. He became a wartime president, which helped him win re-election. By the time people figured out that the war in Iraq had been waged on false pretenses and the war in Afghanistan had no honorable exit plan, it was too late.


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Posted: Sep 13, 2021 - 1:06pm

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Just working with the headline, yeah, well duh ...

No doubt the usual suspects ... CFR Neocons and our other friends at the Chamber Of Commerce.

Having just watched the Soviet's picnic and knowing how that place works, any effort by anyone else to exploit Afghanistan was and still is doomed to failure and all the corruption that also leads to failure.  The Chinese won't fair much better, but I won't be around to see how that ends.

This is why you have to accept dictators and terrible people and deal with them as long as they keep to themselves and within their borders.  Nation building is rarely possible (it is way past time to learn this lesson) and just a cover for covert or underhanded activities.  It is up to the people within these countries to rise up and determine their own future and fight for it. 

Civil wars will continue in certain places likely forever.  Have to get over that.
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Posted: Sep 13, 2021 - 11:12am

The War on Terror Was Corrupt From the Start
The war in Afghanistan wasn’t a failure. It was a massive success — for those who made a fortune off it.

Consider the case of Hikmatullah Shadman, who was just a teenager when American Special Forces rolled into Kandahar on the heels of Sept. 11. They hired him as an interpreter, paying him up to $1,500 a month — 20 times the salary of a local police officer, according to a profile of him in The New Yorker. By his late 20s, he owned a trucking company that supplied U.S. military bases, earning him more than $160 million.

If a small fry like Shadman could get so rich off the war on terror, imagine how much Gul Agha Sherzai, a big-time warlord-turned-governor, has raked in since he helped the C.I.A. run the Taliban out of town. His large extended family supplied everything from gravel to furniture to the military base in Kandahar. His brother controlled the airport. Nobody knows how much he is worth, but it is clearly hundreds of millions — enough for him to talk about a $40,000 shopping spree in Germany as if he were spending pocket change.

Look under the hood of the “good war,” and this is what you see. Afghanistan was supposed to be an honorable war to neutralize terrorists and rescue girls from the Taliban. It was supposed to be a war that we woulda coulda shoulda won, had it not been for the distraction of Iraq, and the hopeless corruption of the Afghan government. But let’s get real. Corruption wasn’t a design flaw in the war. It was a design feature. We didn’t topple the Taliban. We paid warlords bags of cash to do it.

As the nation-building project got underway, those same warlords were transformed into governors, generals and members of Parliament, and the cash payments kept flowing.

“Westerners often scratched their heads at the persistent lack of capacity in Afghan governing institutions,” Sarah Chayes, a former special assistant to U.S. military leaders in Kandahar, wrote recently in Foreign Affairs. “But the sophisticated networks controlling those institutions never intended to govern. Their objective was self-enrichment. And at that task, they proved spectacularly successful.”(...)


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Posted: Sep 12, 2021 - 12:04pm

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Posted: Sep 7, 2021 - 9:05pm

The Other Afghan Women
In the countryside, the endless killing of civilians turned women against the occupiers who claimed to be helping them.
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Posted: Sep 4, 2021 - 12:32pm

Drowning Our Future in the Past
(...) Remarkably, as Jon Allsop pointed out in The Columbia Journalism Review, the word “Bush” was not mentioned once on any of the Sunday news shows the weekend Kabul was falling.

“He looks like the Babe Ruth of presidents when you compare him to Trump,” Harry Reid, the former Democratic Senate majority leader, told The Washington Post’s Ben Terris, for a story this past week on Bush nostalgia.

With a memory like a goldfish, America circles its bowl, returning to where we have been, unable to move forward, condemned to repeat a past we should escape.

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Posted: Sep 2, 2021 - 1:48pm

In the months before American forces withdrew, some 8,000 to 10,000 jihadi fighters from Central Asia, the North Caucasus region of Russia, Pakistan and the Xinjiang region in western China poured into Afghanistan, a United Nations report concluded in June. Most are associated with the Taliban or Al Qaeda, which are closely linked.

But others are allied with ISIS-K, presenting a major challenge to the stability and security the Taliban promise to provide for the country.


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Posted: Sep 1, 2021 - 4:33pm

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The enemy of my enemy I guess.






I imagine such support will be limited to drones delivering Hellfire missiles to targets pointed out by the Taliban.
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Posted: Sep 1, 2021 - 2:38pm

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The enemy of my enemy I guess.


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Posted: Sep 1, 2021 - 2:32pm

Milley: US coordination with Taliban on strikes ‘possible’
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Posted: Aug 31, 2021 - 6:20am

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And in 6 weeks no one will be able to find Afghanistan on the map.  It will be forgotten that fast.


Yes.  Just like everybody forgets about Jerusalem, the West Bank, the former Palestinian Mandate, Vietnam, Cuba, Venezuela, Iraq and America's favourite bastard child: ISIS/ISIL/Daesh.

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Posted: Aug 30, 2021 - 2:25pm

And in 6 weeks no one will be able to find Afghanistan on the map.  It will be forgotten that fast.
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Posted: Aug 30, 2021 - 2:22pm

It's over.
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Posted: Aug 30, 2021 - 7:32am

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Yea this is Trump's fault. smh  We get what we deserve.  I hope you are all happy. It may take years, but our continuing moral decline not as a government, governments have and will always be immoral or amoral, but as a people and the pain and suffering caused from it will eventually reach your white gated communities and when it does it will be too late.  Good luck and Godspeed.   No one is going to change their mind until it is done at the point of a gun apparently. 

Hmm, has our morality declined, or do we just do a better job not pretending what is amoral?

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Posted: Aug 29, 2021 - 5:14pm

Trumps fault? That's a bunch of garbage! It is Biden and his idiot administration with their heads up their butts. Thirteen brave Americans are dead because of Biden and his band of morons. The Dem.'s have blood on their hands and now want to divert the attention to the cat 4 storm in Mississippi. Let not a good catastrophe go to waste is their motto. Lets forget about the bumbling foreign policies of the Biden administration and focus on the hurricane down south. Biden needs to come out of his basement and face up to the result of his stupidity.
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Posted: Aug 27, 2021 - 4:31am

Yea this is Trump's fault. smh  We get what we deserve.  I hope you are all happy. It may take years, but our continuing moral decline not as a government, governments have and will always be immoral or amoral, but as a people and the pain and suffering caused from it will eventually reach your white gated communities and when it does it will be too late.  Good luck and Godspeed.   No one is going to change their mind until it is done at the point of a gun apparently. {#Sad}
 
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Posted: Aug 27, 2021 - 3:50am

 R_P wrote: 
That's all well and good, but I know of very few people who think that the way we withdrew is THE problem, but only an absolutist ideologue would think it was not A problem and a pretty big one at that.{#Think}
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Posted: Aug 26, 2021 - 4:42pm

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Posted: Aug 26, 2021 - 1:16pm

It's still called hubris...
Let’s Not Pretend That the Way We Withdrew From Afghanistan Was the Problem

In 2005, two of my colleagues at The American Prospect, Sam Rosenfeld and Matt Yglesias, wrote an essay I think about often. It was called “The Incompetence Dodge,” and it argued that American policymakers and pundits routinely try to rescue the reputation of bad ideas by attributing their failure to poor execution. At the time, they were writing about the liberal hawks who were blaming the catastrophe of the Iraq war on the Bush administration’s maladministration rather than rethinking the enterprise in its totality. But the same dynamic suffuses the recriminations over the Afghanistan withdrawal.

To state the obvious: There was no good way to lose Afghanistan to the Taliban. A better withdrawal was possible — and our stingy, chaotic visa process was unforgivable — but so was a worse one. Either way, there was no hope of an end to the war that didn’t reveal our decades of folly, no matter how deeply America’s belief in its own enduring innocence demanded one. That is the reckoning that lies beneath events that are still unfolding, and much of the cable news conversation is a frenzied, bipartisan effort to avoid it.

Focusing on the execution of the withdrawal is giving virtually everyone who insisted we could remake Afghanistan the opportunity to obscure their failures by pretending to believe in the possibility of a graceful departure. It’s also obscuring the true alternative to withdrawal: endless occupation. But what our ignominious exit really reflects is the failure of America’s foreign policy establishment at both prediction and policymaking in Afghanistan.

“The pro-war crowd sees this as a mechanism by which they can absolve themselves of an accounting for the last 20 years,” Senator Chris Murphy, Democrat of Connecticut, told me. “Just think about the epic size of this policy failure. Twenty years of training. More than $2 trillion worth of expenditure. For almost nothing. It is heartbreaking to watch these images, but it is equally heartbreaking to think about all of the effort, of lives and money we wasted in pursuit of a goal that was illusory.”

Emma Ashford, a senior fellow at the Scowcroft Center for Strategy and Security, phrased it well: “There’s no denying America is the most powerful country in the world, but what we’ve seen over and over in recent decades is we cannot turn that into the outcomes we want. Whether it’s Afghanistan or Libya or sanctions on Russia and Venezuela, we don’t get the policy outcomes we want, and I think that’s because we overreach — we assume that because we are very powerful, we can achieve things that are unachievable.” (...)

And with no accountability...
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