Al-Nour Bakery is a traditional Middle Eastern bakery that uses an old-fashioned brick oven. Patrons will find a plethora of cheese, meat and spinach pies, fresh breads and other baked goods. The bakery also carries snacks and soda and has an authentic atmosphere.
Golden Bakery (useless website but I don't see traditional American-style cakes offered
The comedian making the video says they all offer custom wedding cakes "It's what they DO!" but I don't see evidence of that. Not saying it's not true, but: would you go into a Jewish deli and demand head cheese then make this same complaint? The guy asks for a picture on a cake and the baker shakes his head and sends him across the street. Does that mean he won't do it— or can't? I'm not giving this video a pass.
But if it's accurate and the guy's being sent away for the reason he claims, then yeah, it's a problem. I guess if they describe themselves as "a Muslim bakery" and not "a Middle Eastern bakery" then they get a pass, just like the Jewish deli. Certain expectations can be assumed from the labeling. Maybe "Christian Bakeries" will become a thing, like Christian bookstores. Ooh, I should go into a Christian bookstore and order 50 Shades of Grey, see what happens. They probably have a cleaned-up version called 1 Shade of White
Thank you for getting my point.
Going into a Muslim bakery asking for a gay wedding cake is not much different from going into an obviously Christian pizzeria and asking them if they would cater a gay wedding.
Also obvious put-on. If he'd been more convincing/actually been gay (*cough*) he might have gotten different responses.
But even if it were all true, it only illustrates the problem in general (as he admits in your link, he allows that he'd have been turned down by other (non-Muslim) bakeries with even more frequency).
Kurt's point, that this effort to highlight how Christians are discriminating against LGBT but nothing's said about Muslim (bakeries), well of course. Christians are the vast majority of Americans who claim a religion, so what would be the point of winning the battle against a group that's less than 1% of the population?
Get any increased measure of respect across those 4 big chunks of the pie... any increase at all... it will be better than winning over all of the Muslims in America.
I used OTT (as in Over The Top) for that.
Of course the difference is that the 0.6% is inherently, uniquely, and irredeemably evil and dangerous!
Also obvious put-on. If he'd been more convincing/actually been gay (*cough*) he might have gotten different responses.
But even if it were all true, it only illustrates the problem in general (as he admits in your link, he allows that he'd have been turned down by other (non-Muslim) bakeries with even more frequency).
Kurt's point, that this effort to highlight how Christians are discriminating against LGBT but nothing's said about Muslim (bakeries), well of course. Christians are the vast majority of Americans who claim a religion, so what would be the point of winning the battle against a group that's less than 1% of the population?
Get any increased measure of respect across those 4 big chunks of the pie... any increase at all... it will be better than winning over all of the Muslims in America.
Al-Nour Bakery is a traditional Middle Eastern bakery that uses an old-fashioned brick oven. Patrons will find a plethora of cheese, meat and spinach pies, fresh breads and other baked goods. The bakery also carries snacks and soda and has an authentic atmosphere.
Golden Bakery (useless website but I don't see traditional American-style cakes offered
The comedian making the video says they all offer custom wedding cakes "It's what they DO!" but I don't see evidence of that. Not saying it's not true, but: would you go into a Jewish deli and demand head cheese then make this same complaint? The guy asks for a picture on a cake and the baker shakes his head and sends him across the street. Does that mean he won't do it— or can't? I'm not giving this video a pass.
But if it's accurate and the guy's being sent away for the reason he claims, then yeah, it's a problem. I guess if they describe themselves as "a Muslim bakery" and not "a Middle Eastern bakery" then they get a pass, just like the Jewish deli. Certain expectations can be assumed from the labeling. Maybe "Christian Bakeries" will become a thing, like Christian bookstores. Ooh, I should go into a Christian bookstore and order 50 Shades of Grey, see what happens. They probably have a cleaned-up version called 1 Shade of White
Apparently you and others do not see any double standard in play regarding Christians and Muslims regarding the issue at hand..
I do and some others do.
This is what I see. You approve of the Muslims' denial of services to gays and I do not. But only because Christians are not allowed to deny service for the same reason Muslim's are allowed to deny the same service. I am done here as well.
Al-Nour Bakery is a traditional Middle Eastern bakery that uses an old-fashioned brick oven. Patrons will find a plethora of cheese, meat and spinach pies, fresh breads and other baked goods. The bakery also carries snacks and soda and has an authentic atmosphere.
Golden Bakery (useless website but I don't see traditional American-style cakes offered
The comedian making the video says they all offer custom wedding cakes "It's what they DO!" but I don't see evidence of that. Not saying it's not true, but: would you go into a Jewish deli and demand head cheese then make this same complaint? The guy asks for a picture on a cake and the baker shakes his head and sends him across the street. Does that mean he won't do it— or can't? I'm not giving this video a pass.
But if it's accurate and the guy's being sent away for the reason he claims, then yeah, it's a problem. I guess if they describe themselves as "a Muslim bakery" and not "a Middle Eastern bakery" then they get a pass, just like the Jewish deli. Certain expectations can be assumed from the labeling. Maybe "Christian Bakeries" will become a thing, like Christian bookstores. Ooh, I should go into a Christian bookstore and order 50 Shades of Grey, see what happens. They probably have a cleaned-up version called 1 Shade of White
Ah, sweet, sweet denial with a side dish of projection.
The post(s) below show your obvious bigotry to anyone that can read.
Enjoy the hole you dug. I bet they'll still deliver pizza to like-minded "f(r)iends" while you're still down there.
I am done up here.
Apparently you and others do not see any double standard in play regarding Christians and Muslims regarding the issue at hand..
I do and some others do.
This is what I see. You approve of the Muslims' denial of services to gays and I do not. But only because Christians are not allowed to deny service for the same reason Muslim's are allowed to deny the same service. I am done here as well.
Not even close. Christians and Muslims are to be dealt with equally and evenly. That is not happening. There is a double standard where Muslims get a free pass. If the Christians get sued and put out of business, then so should the Muslims.
Period end of story.
Do you have a problem with that ?
And yet a few posts down Your Highness The King of Flip-Flops and Anti-Muslim Paranoia affirmed:
RichardPrins wrote:
So you are (still) saying these ("religious freedom") laws are needed to specifically protect Christian bigots?
kurtster wrote:
Yes, because Islamic bigots get a free pass.
I think that I have been consistent throughout on this. You're trying to make this into something other than what it is.
Either everybody is allowed their religious freedoms or no one is. That is my point. Can't make it any clearer.
Not even close. Christians and Muslims are to be dealt with equally and evenly. That is not happening. There is a double standard where Muslims get a free pass. If the Christians get sued and put out of business, then so should the Muslims.
Period end of story.
Do you have a problem with that ?
And yet a few posts down Your Highness The King of Flip-Flops and Anti-Muslim Paranoia affirmed:
RichardPrins wrote:
So you are (still) saying these ("religious freedom") laws are needed to specifically protect Christian bigots?
As I posted before, such "religious freedom" laws open the door for discrimination by any religious sect. And it isn't just homosexuals (or LBGT) who could end up being a target of bigotry.
You're now saying it's ok if Christians do it (it should even be protected), but apparently not if Muslims do it. Performing within expected parameters.
Not even close. Christians and Muslims are to be dealt with equally and evenly. That is not happening. There is a double standard where Muslims get a free pass. If the Christians get sued and put out of business, then so should the Muslims.
As I posted before, such "religious freedom" laws open the door for discrimination by any religious sect. And it isn't just homosexuals (or LBGT) who could end up being a target of bigotry.
You're now saying it's ok if Christians do it (it should even be protected), but apparently not if Muslims do it. Performing within expected parameters.
You seem to be doing better at parsing his argument than I could, but I'll bet you still got it wrong.
Or this could be the beginning of a real hard look at Sharia in the USA. Why have no Muslim businesses been sued ? You would get a nearly 100% conviction rate.
So who are the real Islamaphobes ? Its looking more and more like the ones doing the accusing because they are not challenging their own hypocrisy by suing Muslim businesses as they do Christian businesses ? Why are they so afraid, with the law so clearly on their side ? Every liberal organization in this country should be onboard.
Cowards.
As I posted before, such "religious freedom" laws open the door for discrimination by any religious sect. And it isn't just homosexuals (or LBGT) who could end up being a target of bigotry.
You're now saying it's ok if Christians do it (it should even be protected), but apparently not if Muslims do it. Performing within expected parameters.
I'm guessing that (specificity) would be somewhat unconstitutional as per the first amendment. Ho, ho, ho. Tea Party constitutionalists...
Keep on counting the money. AFAIC, it's just one ginormous bigot-fest of coming acting out. The bigger the better.
Or this could be the beginning of a real hard look at Sharia in the USA. Why have no Muslim businesses been sued ? You would get a nearly 100% conviction rate.
So who are the real Islamaphobes ? Its looking more and more like the ones doing the accusing because they are not challenging their own hypocrisy by suing Muslim businesses as they do Christian businesses ? Why are they so afraid, with the law so clearly on their side ? Every liberal organization in this country should be onboard.
