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Posted: Aug 11, 2012 - 7:13am

Veterans for Peace convene in Miami

 

The pro-peace organization is having its national convention in downtown Miami this week, looking at past U.S. military involvement in Latin America to learn lessons for the future.

 

aedgerton@MiamiHerald.com

With pamphlets and peace buttons, bumper stickers and self-published books, the gray-haired veterans and eager young activists at the Veterans For Peace convention in Miami this week are out to educate America on the evils of war.

The national convention began on Wednesday at the Marriott in downtown Miami and is focused on “Liberating the Americas: Lessons from Latin America and the Caribbean.” Highlights include speeches from author Alice Walker and filmmaker and former TV talk host Phil Donahue. The convention concludes Saturday.

VFP president Leah Bolger explained that as the United States is wrapping up wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, dancing around military engagement with Iran, and starting to pick sides in Syria, these veterans are trying to draw attention to the military mistakes of the past and the perils of fighting undeclared wars. She denounced the “war on drugs” and “war on terror” as a “huge waste of money and just a premise to intervene militarily” all over the world.

The focus on Latin America is also connected to the founding of VFP in 1985 when a group of Vietnam veterans organized to oppose the Reagan administration’s involvement in the civil wars and regime changes in the southern half of the hemisphere. The group has since protested U.S. support of Nicaraguan contras, funding of death squads in El Salvador and training of dictators in Argentina, Brazil and Chile.

In the early years of the Iraq war, the membership grew to over 4,000, but the organization has struggled to attract younger veterans returning from these conflicts. Bolger said that the soldiers of this generation “have to work so hard to heal themselves,” that they probably don’t have time for anti-war activism.

Veterans manning tables at the convention also offered literature on the prolonged detainment of Wikileaks informant Bradley Manning, the ongoing environmental impact of Agent Orange in Vietnam, and drone strikes in Pakistan. They commemorated the 65th anniversary of the atomic bomb in Nagasaki and petitioned for closing Guantánamo.

Yet with all these ideas and impassioned arguments, some participants were still frustrated with the lack of concrete action.

Peter Branson, a 78-year-old retired schoolteacher from New York City, said he wants VFP to talk to the “unconverted” who still support a bloated defense department and ambitious military campaigns.

“Most progressives want to demonstrate and carry banners and hold vigils, but our job needs to be to educate the American people,” Branson said. “We need to organize locally and act nationally.”


Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/08/10/2944539/veterans-for-peace-convene-in.html#storylink=cpy#storylink=cpy


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Posted: May 10, 2012 - 5:22am

Poll: US Opposition to Afghan War Hits New High

Opposition Levels Unseen Since Vietnam War

by Jason Ditz, May 09, 2012

A new AP/Gfk poll is showing that the trend of opposition to the Afghan War continues, with an overwhelming 66% of Americans now opposed to the conflict, with only 8 percent of Americans remaining “strongly” in support of it.

The AP compared the poll to a late 1971 poll on the Vietnam War, which showed 65% of Americans opposed to continuing that war. But while the US was slowly beginning its withdrawal from Vietnam at that time, President Obama is just one week off of signing a deal to keep US troops occupying Afghanistan through 2024.

Surprisingly, the false narrative of Obama as in touch with the opposition to the war and moving to extricate America from the conflict remains at least somewhat intact, with a slight majority (53%) approving of President Obama’s handling of Afghanistan.

Still and all, every poll is securely showing a supermajority of voters in opposition to the Afghan War, and sooner or later it seems like that opposition must make the administration’s determination to escalate and extend the war is going to become a political liability.

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the questions

why in f**k are we still there?

what happened to sane people speaking out for peace?

and why aren't politicians responsive to voters?


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Posted: Jan 24, 2012 - 7:53am

 Manbird wrote:
First World Politics.
 
Nothing will get better until our politicians stop killing people.

Think peace.

Let's hope it catches on.

{#Good-vibes}

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Posted: Jan 23, 2012 - 2:39pm

 miamizsun wrote:
conscience by who is IOZ
 
First World Politics. 
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Posted: Jan 23, 2012 - 2:35pm

conscience by who is IOZ
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Posted: Jan 23, 2012 - 11:36am

 kurtster wrote:

As long as we these kinds of guys around, we can have some hope.
 



Unfortunately with the insane redistricting I think Dennis will get defeated this time around.


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Posted: Jan 23, 2012 - 11:25am

 Romulus wrote:
I'm happy these two are uniting against an unjust, undeclared war on Libya. What an interview.



 
As long as we these kinds of guys around, we can have some hope.

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Posted: Jun 16, 2011 - 5:18am

I'm happy these two are uniting against an unjust, undeclared war on Libya. What an interview.




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Posted: Jun 16, 2011 - 5:01am

 Romulus wrote:
the first causality of war is truth.

 
"Lies get round the world while truth is still getting it's boots on".

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Posted: Jun 16, 2011 - 4:51am

the first causality of war is truth.
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Posted: Jun 16, 2011 - 4:45am

f'n insane, and if you think this is ok or that we should tolerate this type of murder, time for a moral check up. we absolutely shouldn't put up with this. ignoring the law and intentionally taking innocent life isn't acceptable. somebody needs to speak up and stop this, like right now. please make a phone call.

Yet another illegal war — now in Yemen

"Contrary to false denials, the U.S., under the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize winner, has been bombing Yemen for the last two years, including one attack using cluster bombs that killed dozens of civilians. But what's new is that this will be a CIA drone attack program that is a massive escalation over prior bombing campaigns." Know what you're paying for when you give the government money.
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Posted: Jun 6, 2011 - 8:04pm

 buzz wrote:

chill out dude. Obama has a Nobel Peace Prize. or was that the Noble Pizza Prize?



let's see, guns or pie  {#Think} 

i'm all for obama eating pie!



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Posted: Jun 6, 2011 - 7:54pm

 oldslabsides wrote:

...and people think I'm weird.

 
you may be weird, however you clearly grasp that moral and ethical behavior is good.

you also understand that if violent governments make enough rules, we'll all eventually break one and feel the brunt of a well armed government gang.

i wish more people understood your " peaceful weirdness"

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Posted: Jun 6, 2011 - 7:46pm

 miamizsun wrote:
just how bad does all of this BS have to get before we speak up?

US says dropping bombs is not war, but guessing a computer password is
June 5, 2011

By Ethan A. Huff - Natural News

The US government sure has an interesting way of defining war these days. Just a few months after the Obama administration played word games with the public by insisting that air strikes in Libya were just "kinetic military action," not acts of war, the Pentagon has now come on the record stating that it will treat all acts of cyber-hacking against the US as "acts of war."

The announcement came on the heels of a supposed cyber-attack that occurred a few weeks ago against defense contractor Lockheed Martin. Officials say when hacking incidents like this occur in the future, retaliation in the form of reverse cyber-attacks, economic sanctions, and even "military strike" may take place.

"A response to a cyber-incident or attack on the US would not necessarily be a cyber-response," said Col. Dave Lapan, a Pentagon spokesman. "All appropriate options would be on the table." A White House statement also said the US plans to "respond to hostile acts in cyberspace as we would to any other threat to our country," implying that computer hackers could soon face retaliatory attacks by the US military.

So when the US decides to invade foreign nations, often times without necessary congressional approval, it is just a simple act of exerting kinetic energy. But when a computer hacker correctly guesses a password and breaches the security protocols of the US government or one of its contracted companies, this is an act of war. And so it goes in the arbitrary world of the military-industrial complex, where definitions of war are applied only when it benefits the corporate oligarchy.

In truth, this latest cyber fear mongering out of the Pentagon is just another excuse for those running the US government to widen the scope of those it considers to be terrorists and enemies of the state. And now that the announcement has been made, you can expect to hear about many more "cyber-attacks" that will predicate convenient excuses to launch new kinetic military actions against nations, groups, and perhaps even fellow American citizens.

Sources for this story include:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-...

 
chill out dude. Obama has a Nobel Peace Prize. or was that the Noble Pizza Prize?
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Posted: Jun 6, 2011 - 7:41pm

 miamizsun wrote:
just how bad does all of this BS have to get before we speak up?

US says dropping bombs is not war, but guessing a computer password is
June 5, 2011

By Ethan A. Huff - Natural News

The US government sure has an interesting way of defining war these days. Just a few months after the Obama administration played word games with the public by insisting that air strikes in Libya were just "kinetic military action," not acts of war, the Pentagon has now come on the record stating that it will treat all acts of cyber-hacking against the US as "acts of war."

The announcement came on the heels of a supposed cyber-attack that occurred a few weeks ago against defense contractor Lockheed Martin. Officials say when hacking incidents like this occur in the future, retaliation in the form of reverse cyber-attacks, economic sanctions, and even "military strike" may take place.

"A response to a cyber-incident or attack on the US would not necessarily be a cyber-response," said Col. Dave Lapan, a Pentagon spokesman. "All appropriate options would be on the table." A White House statement also said the US plans to "respond to hostile acts in cyberspace as we would to any other threat to our country," implying that computer hackers could soon face retaliatory attacks by the US military.

So when the US decides to invade foreign nations, often times without necessary congressional approval, it is just a simple act of exerting kinetic energy. But when a computer hacker correctly guesses a password and breaches the security protocols of the US government or one of its contracted companies, this is an act of war. And so it goes in the arbitrary world of the military-industrial complex, where definitions of war are applied only when it benefits the corporate oligarchy.

In truth, this latest cyber fear mongering out of the Pentagon is just another excuse for those running the US government to widen the scope of those it considers to be terrorists and enemies of the state. And now that the announcement has been made, you can expect to hear about many more "cyber-attacks" that will predicate convenient excuses to launch new kinetic military actions against nations, groups, and perhaps even fellow American citizens.

Sources for this story include:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-...

 
...and people think I'm weird.


miamizsun

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Posted: Jun 6, 2011 - 7:35pm

just how bad does all of this BS have to get before we speak up?

US says dropping bombs is not war, but guessing a computer password is
June 5, 2011

By Ethan A. Huff - Natural News

The US government sure has an interesting way of defining war these days. Just a few months after the Obama administration played word games with the public by insisting that air strikes in Libya were just "kinetic military action," not acts of war, the Pentagon has now come on the record stating that it will treat all acts of cyber-hacking against the US as "acts of war."

The announcement came on the heels of a supposed cyber-attack that occurred a few weeks ago against defense contractor Lockheed Martin. Officials say when hacking incidents like this occur in the future, retaliation in the form of reverse cyber-attacks, economic sanctions, and even "military strike" may take place.

"A response to a cyber-incident or attack on the US would not necessarily be a cyber-response," said Col. Dave Lapan, a Pentagon spokesman. "All appropriate options would be on the table." A White House statement also said the US plans to "respond to hostile acts in cyberspace as we would to any other threat to our country," implying that computer hackers could soon face retaliatory attacks by the US military.

So when the US decides to invade foreign nations, often times without necessary congressional approval, it is just a simple act of exerting kinetic energy. But when a computer hacker correctly guesses a password and breaches the security protocols of the US government or one of its contracted companies, this is an act of war. And so it goes in the arbitrary world of the military-industrial complex, where definitions of war are applied only when it benefits the corporate oligarchy.

In truth, this latest cyber fear mongering out of the Pentagon is just another excuse for those running the US government to widen the scope of those it considers to be terrorists and enemies of the state. And now that the announcement has been made, you can expect to hear about many more "cyber-attacks" that will predicate convenient excuses to launch new kinetic military actions against nations, groups, and perhaps even fellow American citizens.

Sources for this story include:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-...


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Posted: May 23, 2011 - 10:59am

 miamizsun wrote:
Revealing the Roots of U.S. Wars

America's denial of the roots of 9/11 is not a unique phenomenon in U.S. history, according to Ivan Eland, director of the Independent Institute's Center on Peace & Liberty. Although Osama Bin Laden told the world why he attacked-he detested specific U.S. policies in the Middle East-Americans did not want to hear this, just as they wished not to learn about U.S. policies that precipitated other security crises.

Like the citizens of many other countries, Americans believe that their government is blameless when it comes to taking up arms against other peoples: wars are simply thrust upon their government, which they absolve of any responsibility for helping to create the conditions that precipitated the crises. The pattern, Eland argues in his latest op-ed, can be found in the popular perception of the causes of the War of 1812, the Mexican-American War, the Civil War, the Battle of Little Bighorn, the Spanish-American War, World War I, World War II, the Vietnam War, the Iran hostage crisis, and the U.S. invasion of Grenada.

Americans need to better learn their history-and to see what their government does in their name. Were they to do so, they would learn scores of unacknowledged truths, such as that the War of 1812 was instigated by congressional "war hawks" who sought to grab land from Canada, that the Mexican-American War was precipitated by President James Polk's blockade of the Rio Grande, and that the attack on Pearl Harbor resulted from the United States cutting off oil and other vital resources to Japan. "American history vindicates the old saying that ‘truth is the first casualty of war,' Eland writes, "but the passage of time should allow a republic to undertake a more honest and dispassionate examination of historical events. It rarely does, with truth being swept under the rug in favor of assuming uncaused indignities.

 

"Unprovoked' Attacks, From 1812 to 9/11 by Ivan Eland (5/11/11)

The Empire Has No Clothes: U.S. Foreign Policy Exposed, by Ivan Eland

Recarving Rushmore: Ranking the Presidents on Peace, Prosperity, and Liberty, by Ivan Eland

Partitioning for Peace: An Exit Strategy for Iraq, by Ivan Eland

 

 

 



 


Now that is refreshing i have been so tired of initial Bush lies, "they hate our freedoms" being the extent of debate in the US over the last 10 years. What happened to, " know your enemy"?
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Posted: May 23, 2011 - 10:32am

 Beaker wrote:

You misspelled Republicans.
 


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Posted: May 23, 2011 - 10:31am

 Beaker wrote:

You misspelled Republicans.
 


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Posted: May 23, 2011 - 7:00am

War, what is it good for? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!

95% of the world just wants to make a living, raise their family in peace and be left the HELL alone. The other 5% fucks everything up and wants us to be a part of it.
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