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Posted: Sep 23, 2021 - 9:27am

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 To be clear, even before San Diego though I hadn't seen a bear or bears shit in the woods, I had seen bear shit in the woods and being a reasonably competent logician was able to make that inference. But as you said there's nothing like actual observation. 
 
Was it beside a fallen tree? Because if it was...{#Wink}
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Posted: Sep 23, 2021 - 9:22am

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As a scientist, I'm happy to draw conclusions from carefully researched indirect data, although there is nothing like actual observation. Worked for a guy who's Samoyed liked to roll in bear shit in blueberry season. 
 
 To be clear, even before San Diego though I hadn't seen a bear or bears shit in the woods, I had seen bear shit in the woods and being a reasonably competent logician was able to make that inference. But as you said there's nothing like actual observation. 
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Posted: Sep 23, 2021 - 8:45am

Yes, this post eventually gets to  the Bear! subject.

My wife and I took my 94-year old father on a road trip recently.  It went through Lytton which had been 90% burned.   We also hiked the bar on the Fraser River where Cayoosh Creek flows in just below the town of Lillooet.    Very pictureseque.  

Note that this is 7th time since inception that Lytton has burned.   Overall including this year, Lytton has "burned to the ground" three times in its history. 

The bar below Lillooet was once truck accessible but that access has now been blocked — a good thing IMO.   So we had to walk down this trail to get to the bar where the blue, mostly clear Cayoosh flows into the glacial muddy Fraser.   Man, the bear scat piles were HUGE!   No human body parts, just 8 to 15 cm high piles of partially digested dark fruit.  (Blackberries?   Plums?)   

They were so big, I was thinkin' Griz.  Griz scat normally has 'bells' in it.  Or it could be a very large Black Bear.  

Now some of you are asking:  "Are you experienced?"    Yes.   Have probably poked my nose into 100s if not 1000s of bear scat.   Sorry to disappoint but have not kept count or a detailed log.

Here is my concern:   Gorging on fruit has to be really hard on the digestive tracts of these poor bears.   Must burn like crazy!  Perhaps we should all petition for policy that seeks to provide diet supplements and other forms of relief for these poor suffering bears?

Thoughts?  

Save the bears! 


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Posted: Sep 22, 2021 - 2:23pm

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Way back in the previous millennium I was visiting the San Diego Zoo standing near the back of a crowd in front of the bear enclosure when when one of them decided to take a rather large dump right in the middle of his cage.  I said to no one in particular "Huh, I always thought they did that in the woods."   The whole crowd turned around to stare at me with pained expressions.  It made my day.  From then on I generally will use the expression "Does a bear shit in the zoo?".  I've seen several bears in the woods, but I've never seen one defecate there.  I do appreciate the video evidence, but the other is personal experience so I'll probably continue to use it.

 

As a scientist, I'm happy to draw conclusions from carefully researched indirect data, although there is nothing like actual observation. Worked for a guy who's Samoyed liked to roll in bear shit in blueberry season. 

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Posted: Sep 22, 2021 - 10:39am

Bear watching.

Travelling any highway in the interior of British Columbia is a good way to see bears.  Hot and very unoriginal tip:  Get up early in the morning and start driving.  Note that most North Americans are now genetically programmed to sleep in late unless getting up for a pay cheque.

The bear watching walkway in Hyder Alaska is a great way to see black and browns feeding on chum salmon.   Driving the Cassiar-Stewart highway (37) in NW BC at certain times of the year is a good way to see Griz and Moose.    The Moose demand respect and constant vigilance.  

The north end of Chilko Lake and the upper portion of the Chilko River is another great place to see Griz.  Driveable.  

In the upper Babine River (driveable), you can watch bears hunting salmon.

Some eco-outfitters offer bear watching trips on the mid-coast of British Columbia which might be fun for folks who have spent little time in the wilds and lack both knowledge and experience with brears.  

There are more than few opportunities to watch Browns feeding on salmon in Alaska.
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Posted: Sep 22, 2021 - 10:21am

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Bear-watching used to involve grandstands at the landfill, up into the 1970s... officially sanctioned by NPS




Thanks for sharing those depressing photos SFW.    Did not know that this form of entertainment was supported by the National Park Service.

Magnificent wild animals....

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Posted: Sep 22, 2021 - 10:02am

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By desocialize, you mean park authorities took active measures to prevent people from getting close to the bears and feeding them?
 
  It was more than just the tourists.  The park itself had an open trash dump that bears were free to scavenge.  None of the trash cans in the campgrounds were bear-proofed.  We could count on the 10:00am bear and the 4:30 pm bear coming through our campground to see what was there for the taking.  You couldn't drive for thirty minutes without encountering a small traffic jam where bears had set up a road block to trade food for pictures.  Sometime in the late 60s or early 70s they closed the dump,  bear-proofed all the trash cans and tried to crack down on tourists feeding them.  They no longer see us as a food source and you rarely see them if your not back country hiking.
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Posted: Sep 22, 2021 - 9:56am

 westslope wrote:

By desocialize, you mean park authorities took active measures to prevent people from getting close to the bears and feeding them?



Bear-watching used to involve grandstands at the landfill, up into the 1970s... officially sanctioned by NPS



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Posted: Sep 22, 2021 - 9:43am

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 I think I've mentioned before in this thread that I'm old enough to have been in Yellowstone before they desocialized the bears.  I'm so glad they changed the old ways, but I'm even more glad I got there before they did.  The tunnel tree and firefall in Yosemite fall into the same category.

By desocialize, you mean park authorities took active measures to prevent people from getting close to the bears and feeding them?

Drove through the Canadian Rockies the other day on the Transcanada highway.  I remember when there used to be game on or near the highway.  Several millions upon millions of dollars later in fencing and elaborate, ornate highway bridges for animals, there are no more animals on the highway.   Excellent.  That means fewer dead animals and fewer dead humans too.

For folks who want to see wild bears without trekking into the backcountry,  there are more than a few places in both Canada and the USA.  

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Posted: Sep 22, 2021 - 9:20am

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Those are excellent points Prodigal.  Agreed.   That said, confinement of animals, particularly apex predators always makes me sad.

Ever watch TV reality series Alone?   Not my thing but popular with many.   I have trouble tolerating all the bull-shit about how dangerous these bears are at the beginning of the show.   (I have canoed, hiked and fly fished in Chilko Lake and River.)

Listen up folks!   Driving to Chilko Lake is more dangerous than being in bear territory.    Sitting long hours in front of the television is far, far more dangerous.  Your fellow citizens are far more dangerous than the bears!

 
 I think I've mentioned before in this thread that I'm old enough to have been in Yellowstone before they desocialized the bears.  I'm so glad they changed the old ways, but I'm even more glad I got there before they did.  The tunnel tree and firefall in Yosemite fall into the same category.
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Posted: Sep 22, 2021 - 9:10am

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  As zoos go San Diego is one of the better ones.  Roomy enclosures and no popcorn.  Any time I see a wild animal out of the wild part of me wants to put him right back, but I think zoos can serve useful purposes.  Especially for those who can't get out into nature.  A lot of zoos though are nothing but sad and miserable.

 
I went to a zoo once and there was just one animal and it was a dog.  It was a Shih Tzu. 

Those are excellent points Prodigal.  Agreed.   That said, confinement of animals, particularly apex predators always makes me sad.

Ever watch TV reality series Alone?   Not my thing but popular with many.   I have trouble tolerating all the bull-shit about how dangerous these bears are at the beginning of the show.   (I have canoed, hiked and fly fished in Chilko Lake and River.)

Listen up folks!   Driving to Chilko Lake is more dangerous than being in bear territory.    Sitting long hours in front of the television is far, far more dangerous.  Your fellow citizens are far more dangerous than the bears!

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Posted: Sep 22, 2021 - 9:08am

Now 3 bears killed in about a week...

Motherless grizzly cubs in danger on North Fork Highway

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Posted: Sep 22, 2021 - 8:45am

 westslope wrote:
Funny how we all react differently.  I would have felt sad and miserable.
 
  As zoos go San Diego is one of the better ones.  Roomy enclosures and no popcorn.  Any time I see a wild animal out of the wild part of me wants to put him right back, but I think zoos can serve useful purposes.  Especially for those who can't get out into nature.  A lot of zoos though are nothing but sad and miserable.

 
I went to a zoo once and there was just one animal and it was a dog.  It was a Shih Tzu. 
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Posted: Sep 22, 2021 - 7:56am

 Prodigal_SOB wrote:

Way back in the previous millennium I was visiting the San Diego Zoo standing near the back of a crowd in front of the bear enclosure when when one of them decided to take a rather large dump right in the middle of his cage.  I said to no one in particular "Huh, I always thought they did that in the woods."   The whole crowd turned around to stare at me with pained expressions.  It made my day.  From then on I generally will use the expression "Does a bear shit in the zoo?".  I've seen several bears in the woods, but I've never seen one defecate there.  I do appreciate the video evidence, but the other is personal experience so I'll probably continue to use it.

 


Funny how we all react differently.  I would have felt sad and miserable.

Recall going to the Edmonton wild animal zoo in 1968 at the age of 12.  This large Siberian Tiger prowled up and down behind the chain-link fence.   Then it it stopped, opened it mouth wide open and puked up several litres of popcorn slime.  

Yuuuuuckkkk.........  
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Posted: Sep 22, 2021 - 6:58am

 Prodigal_SOB wrote:

Way back in the previous millennium I was visiting the San Diego Zoo standing near the back of a crowd in front of the bear enclosure when when one of them decided to take a rather large dump right in the middle of his cage.  I said to no one in particular "Huh, I always thought they did that in the woods."   The whole crowd turned around to stare at me with pained expressions.  It made my day.  From then on I generally will use the expression "Does a bear shit in the zoo?".  I've seen several bears in the woods, but I've never seen one defecate there.  I do appreciate the video evidence, but the other is personal experience so I'll probably continue to use it.

 
 
{#Lol}
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Posted: Sep 22, 2021 - 6:11am

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does a bear sh!t in the woods question finally answered!
 
Way back in the previous millennium I was visiting the San Diego Zoo standing near the back of a crowd in front of the bear enclosure when when one of them decided to take a rather large dump right in the middle of his cage.  I said to no one in particular "Huh, I always thought they did that in the woods."   The whole crowd turned around to stare at me with pained expressions.  It made my day.  From then on I generally will use the expression "Does a bear shit in the zoo?".  I've seen several bears in the woods, but I've never seen one defecate there.  I do appreciate the video evidence, but the other is personal experience so I'll probably continue to use it.

 
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Posted: Sep 22, 2021 - 4:44am

does a bear sh!t in the woods question finally answered!


and hey, the entire video is interesting too
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Posted: Aug 5, 2021 - 6:35pm

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:
The only thing to bear is beer itself.

 
Finally. A glimmer of positivity...
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