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Posted: Nov 9, 2021 - 8:11pm

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:


Gruesome subject I'll leave alone after this: I mean you could look it up; I'm sure you'll find I'm right. If not, hey we both learned something. Anecdotally: Here is one instance that springs to mind. Rare, yes, but the caching behavior is pretty well documented I believe. There's another case where the ranger discussing the case was shockingly blunt about how the victim was eviscerated, cached, then died.  I know two people personally who had their faces ripped off. Not sure how we got onto this but I feel attacked for some reason. Bears are dangerous. I love the video but would Be The Fuck Out of There ASAP.
 
Manbum started it with his manbear schtick. I'm innocent I tell ya. I was being nice and everything. Then he started buggin'...

As for bears...
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Posted: Nov 9, 2021 - 8:05pm

 Red_Dragon wrote:


paywalled



Evidence at the scene suggests that the fatal grizzly attack in Yellowstone National Park in August happened suddenly and that the Montana man who was killed died where he was first attacked.

Details on the death of Lance Crosby, 63, were released Thursday by the National Park Service. An investigation report says that Crosby’s body was found less than a third of a mile from the trail on Elephant Back Mountain, with little blood at the scene or other evidence of a drawn-out struggle.

“There were no drag trails, bear trails, disturbed ground indicating an attack path, flight or a struggle, blood spatter, clothing fragments, or personal possessions found outside of the body burial cache,” Yellowstone wildlife biologist Kerry Gunther wrote in a forensic evidence report. “The absence of a clear attack path and blood spatter trail combined with Mr. Crosby’s ball cap being found within 3 feet of his left foot suggests that the initial contact by the bear occurred at the location where the body was found.”

... 

etc.


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Posted: Nov 9, 2021 - 7:39pm

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:


Gruesome subject I'll leave alone after this: I mean you could look it up; I'm sure you'll find I'm right. If not, hey we both learned something. Anecdotally: Here is one instance that springs to mind. Rare, yes, but the caching behavior is pretty well documented I believe. There's another case where the ranger discussing the case was shockingly blunt about how the victim was eviscerated, cached, then died.  I know two people personally who had their faces ripped off. Not sure how we got onto this but I feel attacked for some reason. Bears are dangerous. I love the video but would Be The Fuck Out of There ASAP.




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Posted: Nov 9, 2021 - 6:34pm

 westslope wrote:

Oh!  That is new to me.  Please share the data.



Gruesome subject I'll leave alone after this: I mean you could look it up; I'm sure you'll find I'm right. If not, hey we both learned something. Anecdotally: Here is one instance that springs to mind. Rare, yes, but the caching behavior is pretty well documented I believe. There's another case where the ranger discussing the case was shockingly blunt about how the victim was eviscerated, cached, then died.  I know two people personally who had their faces ripped off. Not sure how we got onto this but I feel attacked for some reason. Bears are dangerous. I love the video but would Be The Fuck Out of There ASAP.


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Posted: Nov 9, 2021 - 5:48pm

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

Set aside half an hour. I wouldn't want to rely on my "understanding" of bears (see also the guy a few years ago who got et) but this is still pretty cool. Bears are neat.




I'm not crying.... YOU'RE crying..... this is SO COOL.... Thank you.
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Posted: Nov 9, 2021 - 4:59pm

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 westslope wrote:

Would guess that in your area Scott, people are sloppy with food and garbage.  Some probably think it is cute to feed the bears.   And yes, 'habituated bears' can be dangerous.

Black bears will predate on humans (once in a blue moon), Grizzly bears rarely eat people.   Emphasis on rare.



Poor SFW - he comes from the wrong side of the tracks. One of these days his boat will come in and they'll be movin' on up! Hang in there, Scott - we don't judge!
 
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Posted: Nov 9, 2021 - 4:56pm

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Would guess that in your area Scott, people are sloppy with food and garbage.  Some probably think it is cute to feed the bears.   And yes, 'habituated bears' can be dangerous.

Black bears will predate on humans (once in a blue moon), Grizzly bears rarely eat people.   Emphasis on rare.



Poor SFW - he comes from the wrong side of the tracks. One of these days his boat will come in and they'll be movin' on up! Hang in there, Scott - we don't judge!
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Posted: Nov 9, 2021 - 3:52pm

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Not sure why you'd guess that but okay.

Maybe "eat people" is inaccurate since they almost always just eat the squishy parts and cache the rest. 


Oh!  That is new to me.  Please share the data.

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Posted: Nov 9, 2021 - 3:00pm

 westslope wrote:

Would guess that in your area Scott, people are sloppy with food and garbage.  Some probably think it is cute to feed the bears.   

Grizzly bears rarely eat people.   Emphasis on rare.




Not sure why you'd guess that but okay.

Maybe "eat people" is inaccurate since they almost always just eat the squishy parts and cache the rest. 
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Posted: Nov 9, 2021 - 11:26am

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Terrific video.  Thanks for sharing Scott.

A couple of observations:

I have never had  a one-on-one conversation with a Griz.  But have had several conversations with Black Bears.  Bears are like lots of other animals such as crows, ravens and Magpies, coyotes, wolves, deer, geese, etc., etc.  They readily distinguish individual humans, and become much more relaxed around you once they get to know you.  The fact that the Tlingit talk to Griz should surprise nobody who has worked with animals or spent lots of time living in the backcountry.  Tone of voice and pitch are critical.

This approach to gently respecting 'others' territory' and maintaining 'own territory' could/should work on other salmon rivers flowing into the Pacific Ocean but I would strongly urge folks to avoid close contact in high elevation areas, in particular the Rocky mountains.  Bringing an untrained dog into the high country of the Rockies is just asking for problems.



Our problem in my area is —I was going to say mismanagement but it's more a confluence of interventions— bears are overpopulated and several avenues for food are currently at a low point. They feed on a particular moth larva and thanks to a beetle infestation there are fewer of the trees that those moths like. They feed on carrion but thanks to some disease, some weather anomalies, some wolves, there's less meat on the ground when they emerge in the spring. Etc etc. So they're more likely to be outside their comfort zone and in your campsite or eating the animal you hunted. Long story short, if you get off the highway in the forest here, there's probably a bear around and they are not as carefree as the bears in this video.
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Posted: Nov 9, 2021 - 9:10am

Terrific video.  Thanks for sharing Scott.

A couple of observations:

I have never had  a one-on-one conversation with a Griz.  But have had several conversations with Black Bears.  Bears are like lots of other animals such as crows, ravens and Magpies, coyotes, wolves, deer, geese, etc., etc.  They readily distinguish individual humans, and become much more relaxed around you once they get to know you.  The fact that the Tlingit talk to Griz should surprise nobody who has worked with animals or spent lots of time living in the backcountry.  Tone of voice and pitch are critical.

This approach to gently respecting 'others' territory' and maintaining 'own territory' could/should work on other salmon rivers flowing into the Pacific Ocean but I would strongly urge folks to avoid close contact in high elevation areas, in particular the Rocky mountains.  Bringing an untrained dog into the high country of the Rockies is just asking for problems.
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Posted: Nov 9, 2021 - 6:31am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

Set aside half an hour. I wouldn't want to rely on my "understanding" of bears (see also the guy a few years ago who got et) but this is still pretty cool. Bears are neat.




Wow.
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Posted: Nov 9, 2021 - 5:15am

I think Scott should tell the story about that time the bear had wings.{#Yes}
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Posted: Nov 8, 2021 - 9:55am

Set aside half an hour. I wouldn't want to rely on my "understanding" of bears (see also the guy a few years ago who got et) but this is still pretty cool. Bears are neat.


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Posted: Nov 8, 2021 - 9:27am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

This bear and its mother are being stressed out by a drone. The operator needs to go to jail. 



yup
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Posted: Nov 7, 2021 - 6:16pm

 miamizsun wrote:

wow...



This bear and its mother are being stressed out by a drone. The operator needs to go to jail. 

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Posted: Nov 7, 2021 - 5:16pm

wow...


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Posted: Oct 9, 2021 - 4:53pm

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Which is good, but at the same time, have you ever been talking in a crowd when all of a sudden everyone stops at the same time and you're there shouting? That sort of happened here. Everyone was watching bears, then they left and she was the only one there when the bear bluffed. I haven't seen any footage from 10 seconds before, but I kind of think she got thrown under the bus. 

She was behind the little retaining wall which means nothing except she wasn't really intending to get close to the bear, she was just out of her car and didn't back away quickly. 

If the sow and the 3 cubs slowly ambled towards her, she had plenty of time to beat a retreat.  "Caught in the headlights" strikes me as a lame excuse.  Rules seem rather clear.  That she provoked a bluff charge is unacceptable.

Must admit I am surprised at how seriously this is taken.  Jail - 4 days, probation, a big fine, a one-year park ban, ..... wow.   

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Posted: Oct 8, 2021 - 8:31pm

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:



Which is good, but at the same time, have you ever been talking in a crowd when all of a sudden everyone stops at the same time and you're there shouting? That sort of happened here. Everyone was watching bears, then they left and she was the only one there when the bear bluffed. I haven't seen any footage from 10 seconds before, but I kind of think she got thrown under the bus. 

She was behind the little retaining wall which means nothing except she wasn't really intending to get close to the bear, she was just out of her car and didn't back away quickly. 


She got punked. The bear set the whole thing up and laughed his ass off for the rest of the day. 

Don't try to make friends with a bear. 

"Yah go fork yourself, Karen!"
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Posted: Oct 8, 2021 - 6:27pm

 Red_Dragon wrote:


Which is good, but at the same time, have you ever been talking in a crowd when all of a sudden everyone stops at the same time and you're there shouting? That sort of happened here. Everyone was watching bears, then they left and she was the only one there when the bear bluffed. I haven't seen any footage from 10 seconds before, but I kind of think she got thrown under the bus. 

She was behind the little retaining wall which means nothing except she wasn't really intending to get close to the bear, she was just out of her car and didn't back away quickly. 
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