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haresfur
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ScottN wrote:gypsyman wrote: Man, you really need to scroll back a few posts to find out what really happened. I am civil to a fault until I am attacked, then its game on. Sorry. However, per usual, the facts don't matter to some folks.
Worth considering. Could be that you have your "facts" wrong. Group Hug!
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ScottN
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Oct 10, 2013 - 9:00pm |
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gypsyman wrote: Man, you really need to scroll back a few posts to find out what really happened. I am civil to a fault until I am attacked, then its game on. Sorry. However, per usual, the facts don't matter to some folks.
Worth considering. Could be that you have your "facts" wrong.
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DD gypsyman
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Oct 10, 2013 - 7:49pm |
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ScottN wrote: gypsyman wrote:Allow me to respond, Oh Defender of Illogic: (Had to fix your typo) 1. If one had actually read Alinsky, then that would suggest a method. If one had not, it would suggest ignorance. Therefore, there is relevance. 2. So? What correlation to pipelines does that have, specifically? And what statistics, real or even imagined, have you presented? None. 3. Well, what can I say? Your deficiency in making a skillful argument, while displaying embarrassing naivete, conjoined with the obvious lack of a method, makes you a tool. Y'all come back, now. When you are qualified. (BTW, some of my best friends are Bangladeshi... ) I won't feel the tool (or fool) for defending a friend from an inappropriate, vulgar remark you make to them. Goodbye. Man, you really need to scroll back a few posts to find out what really happened. I am civil to a fault until I am attacked, then its game on. Sorry. However, per usual, the facts don't matter to some folks.
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ScottN
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Oct 10, 2013 - 3:19pm |
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gypsyman wrote:Allow me to respond, Oh Defender of Illogic: (Had to fix your typo) 1. If one had actually read Alinsky, then that would suggest a method. If one had not, it would suggest ignorance. Therefore, there is relevance. 2. So? What correlation to pipelines does that have, specifically? And what statistics, real or even imagined, have you presented? None. 3. Well, what can I say? Your deficiency in making a skillful argument, while displaying embarrassing naivete, conjoined with the obvious lack of a method, makes you a tool. Y'all come back, now. When you are qualified. (BTW, some of my best friends are Bangladeshi... ) I won't feel the tool (or fool) for defending a friend from an inappropriate, vulgar remark you make to them. Goodbye.
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DD gypsyman
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Oct 10, 2013 - 1:11pm |
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ScottN wrote: Excuse me, but your response is illogical, ad hominem, and ah, full of shit. I guess you like to disguise name calling. Doesn't mean you don't do it, you just cloak it in innuendo. 1. Saul Alinky Alinsky and his Rules for Radicals is irrelevant from the perspective of if she read it or not, or is a tool. 2. Bangladeshi engineers (here) are a reality. I am well acquainted with such a person. (a good guy, btw). Many Somalis too. 3. How far up YOUR ass did you go for this response?
Allow me to respond, Oh Defender of Illogic: (Had to fix your typo) 1. If one had actually read Alinsky, then that would suggest a method. If one had not, it would suggest ignorance. Therefore, there is relevance. 2. So? What correlation to pipelines does that have, specifically? And what statistics, real or even imagined, have you presented? None. 3. Well, what can I say? Your deficiency in making a skillful argument, while displaying embarrassing naivete, conjoined with the obvious lack of a method, makes you a tool. Y'all come back, now. When you are qualified. (BTW, some of my best friends are Bangladeshi... )
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R_P
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ScottN
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Oct 9, 2013 - 11:39pm |
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gypsyman wrote: Sigh. I guess you really can't do this without name-calling. Straight out of Saul Alinky's Rules For Radicals. Have you read it, or are you just a tool? And Bangladesh engineers? How far up your ass did you have to reach to get that one?
Excuse me, but your response is illogical, ad hominem, and ah, full of shit. I guess you like to disguise name calling. Doesn't mean you don't do it, you just cloak it in innuendo. 1. Saul Alinky and his Rules for Radicals is irrelevant from the perspective of if she read it or not, or is a tool. 2. Bangladeshi engineers (here) are a reality. I am well acquainted with such a person. (a good guy, btw). Many Somalis too. 3. How far up YOUR ass did you go for this response?
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kurtster
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Oct 9, 2013 - 7:45pm |
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Isabeau wrote: borders? are you serious? there are no borders when it comes to a young Bangladesh man with a wife and child willing to work as an Engineer in the U.S. for only $12,000 a year.
Average U.S. wage for a mid to advanced level of Engineering? $85,000 — $120,000K. Illegals from Mexico are NOT the problem.
LEGAL in and outsourcing by American Corporations is far worse than any low skilled, hard working laborer (who often picks our fruit and cleans homes)
You are Pimple Wise and Tumor Foolish.
Average US wage for American painters, carpenters and related trades ... $25 to $30 hour. Illegal Mexicans $10 hour. You do the math. There are many RPeeps here who work in the trades and will verify my numbers.
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DD gypsyman
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Oct 9, 2013 - 6:49pm |
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Isabeau wrote: borders? are you serious? there are no borders when it comes to a young Bangladesh man with a wife and child willing to work as an Engineer in the U.S. for only $12,000 a year.
Average U.S. wage for a mid to advanced level of Engineering? $85,000 — $120,000K. Illegals from Mexico are NOT the problem.
LEGAL in and outsourcing by American Corporations is far worse than any low skilled, hard working laborer (who often picks our fruit and cleans homes)
You are Pimple Wise and Tumor Foolish.
Sigh. I guess you really can't do this without name-calling. Straight out of Saul Alinky's Rules For Radicals. Have you read it, or are you just a tool? And Bangladesh engineers? How far up your ass did you have to reach to get that one?
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Isabeau
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Oct 9, 2013 - 6:32pm |
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gypsyman wrote: So, you support closing the borders so that American jobs are not stolen by illegals. Didn't see that coming.
borders? are you serious? there are no borders when it comes to a young Bangladesh man with a wife and child willing to work as an Engineer in the U.S. for only $12,000 a year. Average U.S. wage for a mid to advanced level of Engineering? $85,000 — $120,000K. Illegals from Mexico are NOT the problem. LEGAL in and outsourcing by American Corporations is far worse than any low skilled, hard working laborer (who often picks our fruit and cleans homes) You are Pimple Wise and Tumor Foolish.
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DD gypsyman
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Oct 9, 2013 - 5:33pm |
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Isabeau wrote: And you are the height of naiveté if you believe those positions won't be filled by the cheapest possible foreign Visa workers possible; Canada is Exporting this oil, Not the U.S. the pipeline is merely through our back yard, you honestly believe the Canadian Government will allow most of those jobs to go to American Workers? Man, have I got a Free Trade Agreement to sell ya...
So, you support closing the borders so that American jobs are not stolen by illegals. Didn't see that coming.
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Isabeau
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Oct 9, 2013 - 5:24pm |
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gypsyman wrote: 50 permanent positions where? After the build there are thousands of jobs to subcontractors for testing, maintenance, rebuilds. support, etc You really don't seem to understand....
And you are the height of naiveté if you believe those positions won't be filled by the cheapest possible foreign Visa workers possible; Canada is Exporting this oil, Not the U.S. the pipeline is merely through our back yard, you honestly believe the Canadian Government will allow most of those jobs to go to American Workers? Man, have I got a Free Trade Agreement to sell ya...
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DD gypsyman
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Oct 9, 2013 - 5:16pm |
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Isabeau wrote:The world's Global Oil Barons will NOT allow renewables to get a hold on in the U.S. if they can possibly purchase enough politicians. They are going to get every last bit of profit squeezed out of that last drop of Dinosaur Fuel before suddenly crying a need for other Alternatives. Regarding the controversial Keystone Pipleline: “Jobs created - stated by TransCanada's own Pipeline Application to the State Department - estimates 4,000 - 6,000 temporary jobs throughout construction and approximately 50 permanent positions when the project is finished." 50 might-be American jobs, to transport Canadian Tar sands oil to Port Arthur, TX for Higher Priced Export. Not to help America's oil supply or lower prices for Americans, but merely helping Canada's Oil Producers make more money. By the way, its already leaked 3 times - the last stopping the project for over 5 months. For 50 jobs but a risk to 23 Watersheds across 39 counties and 5 states? Nah. I'll pass. 50 permanent positions where? After the build there are thousands of jobs to subcontractors for testing, maintenance, rebuilds. support, etc You really don't seem to understand....
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Isabeau
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Oct 9, 2013 - 3:47pm |
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ScottN wrote: Can you say BP and Gulf of Mexico, or Valdez? These are just two of our worst domestic accidents. There many more World wide are many more too. Hardly "flowers being trampled on". Most estimates put our domestic reserves at 3-5 years current consumption of imported oil. It's deep, it's in fragile ecology, it's expensive and energy intensive to retrieve, thus not allowing an advantageous "net yield". We see our dope dealers until there is an alternate. Drilling and exploiting FULLY the arctic reserves buys us maybe two years, which hardly seems risk advantageous.
The world's Global Oil Barons will NOT allow renewables to get a hold on in the U.S. if they can possibly purchase enough politicians. They are going to get every last bit of profit squeezed out of that last drop of Dinosaur Fuel before suddenly crying a need for other Alternatives. Regarding the controversial Keystone Pipleline: “Jobs created - stated by TransCanada's own Pipeline Application to the State Department - estimates 4,000 - 6,000 temporary jobs throughout construction and approximately 50 permanent positions when the project is finished." 50 might-be American jobs, to transport Canadian Tar sands oil to Port Arthur, TX for Higher Priced Export. Not to help America's oil supply or lower prices for Americans, but merely helping Canada's Oil Producers make more money. By the way, its already leaked 3 times - the last stopping the project for over 5 months. For 50 jobs but a risk to 23 Watersheds across 39 counties and 5 states? Nah. I'll pass.
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ScottN
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Oct 9, 2013 - 3:26pm |
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kurtster wrote:
You're right. We will not go round and round.
But I will say that your thinking on the matter is very narrow as you imply that we will never break free from oil, if we expand our domestic supply.
I see it as buying time and a bridge to something better and sooner than later. There is risk in everything. Yes some flowers will be trampled and spilled upon, but not as many as people like you want everyone to believe.
We have no viable alternative to oil yet and until we do, we beholden to our enemies and we finance them with our money when we buy their oil. As soon as alternative energy can be cost competitive without subsidies, it will be used and as widely as possible and as soon as possible. Of that I have no doubt. The more money we send overseas, the less we have to spend at home on research and development ... and yes, for for the liberals, government subsidies for R&D.
As Bill Maher once said (and its what got him kicked off of ABC) Israel is our girlfriend and Saudi Arabia is our dope dealer. Until that changes, we are fucked.
The choice is clear to me. But I'm in a vacuum, alone on this one as I mentioned above.
Can you say BP and Gulf of Mexico, or Valdez? These are just two of our worst domestic accidents. There many more World wide are many more too. Hardly "flowers being trampled on". Most estimates put our domestic reserves at 3-5 years current consumption of imported oil. It's deep, it's in fragile ecology, it's expensive and energy intensive to retrieve, thus not allowing an advantageous "net yield". We see our dope dealers until there is an alternate. Drilling and exploiting FULLY the arctic reserves buys us maybe two years, which hardly seems risk advantageous.
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kurtster
Location: where fear is not a virtue Gender:
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Oct 9, 2013 - 2:54pm |
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ScottN wrote: kurtster wrote: There are ways out, but no one in charge and few citizens are willing to do what it takes.
We can drill our way out, baby, and drill for peace at the same time. It was cheap and secure energy that made this country strong and the strongest in the first place. I could add to it, but no one is interested. Hydrocarbons are evil. It begins and ends right there.
And I am relaxed and unafraid.
What is the definition of insanity ?
What do we keep doing with the debt ceiling and expecting to happen everytime we raise it ?
Not going round and round w/ you on this controversial drilling subject. Many people say no, but even if yes, our reserves are not unlimited. Eco damage and other unintended consequences cannot credibly be denied. You're right. We will not go round and round. But I will say that your thinking on the matter is very narrow as you imply that we will never break free from oil, if we expamd our domestic supply. I see it as buying time and a bridge to something better and sooner than later. There is risk in everything. Yes some flowers will be trampled and spilled upon, but not as many as people like you want everyone to believe. We have no viable alternative to oil yet and until we do, we beholden to our enemies and we finance them with our money when we buy their oil. As soon as alternative energy can be cost competitive without subsidies, it will be used and as widely as possiblem and as soon as possible. Of that I have no doubt. The more money we send overseas, the less we have to spend at home on research and development ... and yes, for for the liberals, government subsidies for R&D. As Bill Maher once said (and its what got him kicked off of ABC) Israel is our girlfriend and Saudi Arabia is our dope dealer. Until that changes, we are fucked. The choice is clear to me. But I'm in a vacuum, alone on this one as I mentioned above.
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ScottN
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Oct 9, 2013 - 2:35pm |
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kurtster wrote: There are ways out, but no one in charge and few citizens are willing to do what it takes.
We can drill our way out, baby, and drill for peace at the same time. It was cheap and secure energy that made this country strong and the strongest in the first place. I could add to it, but no one is interested. Hydrocarbons are evil. It begins and ends right there.
And I am relaxed and unafraid.
What is the definition of insanity ?
What do we keep doing with the debt ceiling and expecting to happen everytime we raise it ?
Not going round and round w/ you on this controversial drilling subject. Many people say no, but even if yes, our reserves are not unlimited. Eco damage and other unintended consequences cannot credibly be denied.
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kurtster
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Oct 9, 2013 - 1:58pm |
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ScottN wrote: kurtster wrote:.... I am not convinced that default is a horrible thing. Yes, there a few people...a very few (relative to the population that actually thinks about this) who believe as you do. I prefer to defer my opinion to such organizations as the World Bank, The EU, Wall Street, and many, many professional financial folk who have said that failure to raise the "debt ceiling" would be various degrees of catastrophic. Add the default to a government that is not nearly fully staffed to deal with it...well, relax Kurt. There are ways out, but no one in charge and few citizens are willing to do what it takes. We can drill our way out, baby, and drill for peace at the same time. It was cheap and secure energy that made this country strong and the strongest in the first place. I could add to it, but no one is interested. Hydrocarbons are evil. It begins and ends right there. And I am relaxed and unafraid. What is the definition of insanity ? What do we keep doing with the debt ceiling and expecting to happen everytime we raise it ?
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ScottN
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Oct 9, 2013 - 11:54am |
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sirdroseph wrote:
True dat. Personally I think it is too late and there is nothing under our present political and economic system that can be done at this point which makes the petty bickering on the hill even more grotesque or just entertaining in a Nero or Caligula sort of way. The Republicans are using some very valid concerns to throw temper tantrums and make their perceived mortal enemies life miserable all the while literally bringing down the country when in reality the Republicans are not really proposing any true changes to correct our present iceberg course. What is even more frustrating is that their childish antics are doing nothing but further distracting the American people from these valid concerns. What a cluster. Gee, maybe we (US gov't) are "too big to fail" as some banks are referred. I can hear Nero now.
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