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Posted: Jun 1, 2011 - 11:13am

 Beaker wrote:
 beamends wrote:

I shouldn't think so. The Germans (as in general public) seem to genuinely not want nuclear, they have had strong Green politicians for years. I wasn't being ironic, I'm genuinely interested in how they propose to do it. I was, however, being ironic about the electric cars as the very same people who are against nuclear (and coal, and oil, and gas) power are often the very same who want electric cars - they just seen to think electric cars run on magic moonbeams rather than the output of power stations.

Exactly.  Like it's all effin magik. 

And of course the evil oil and car mfr corporations have been withholding these 'free-energy' cars from us for decades.

The public can be such a stupid bunch some times.
 

In the US, our magic moonbeam technology has mostly been hydrogen-fueled cars promoted as a way to become energy independent and pollution-free.  Nary a State of the Union Address passes without sunshiney references to promoting alternate fuels, sometimes hydrogen specifically by name.

Clean Coal has also made various appearances.

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Posted: May 31, 2011 - 7:03am

 Proclivities wrote:

It's not as if they're turning them all off tomorrow - they have at least 10 years to figure stuff out.  That could be a pretty long time for one of the most technologically advanced and economically potent nations on the planet...or maybe not.
 
Well I hope it works out better than catalytic converters that the Germans had the EU impose on us, killing off the much cleaner (and platinum-free) true lean-burn engines that would have been a much better bet.

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Posted: May 31, 2011 - 6:42am

 beamends wrote:

It's going to be interesting to see how they are going to replace the 23% of their generating capacity - plus power all those electric cars that are being touted so hard.
 
It's not as if they're turning them all off tomorrow - they have at least 10 years to figure stuff out.  That could be a pretty long time for one of the most technologically advanced and economically potent nations on the planet...or maybe not.

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Posted: May 31, 2011 - 5:51am

 helenofjoy wrote:
 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:


one factor in the groundswell in favor of renewables here is a feeling of optimism that German engineering will rise to the challenge and find new technologies / refine existing ones to a point where they can compete against fossil fuels / nuclear. One of my mates is R&D director of a specialist engineering company here and he thinks it can be done so it's not just utopian greenies who are on the bandwagon.

This might explain why there is less resistance from big industry here than one would normally expect
I am so happy about this.

 
Well, they have been known to fail before 

But, you're right, good luck to them. It would be great if they succeeded.

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Posted: May 31, 2011 - 5:29am

In the simplest terms possible: If we haven't figured out a safe way to work with and dispose of waste from nuclear power plants, we aren't ready to use them. Of course we are capable of achieving most anything.
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Posted: May 31, 2011 - 5:26am

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:


one factor in the groundswell in favor of renewables here is a feeling of optimism that German engineering will rise to the challenge and find new technologies / refine existing ones to a point where they can compete against fossil fuels / nuclear. One of my mates is R&D director of a specialist engineering company here and he thinks it can be done so it's not just utopian greenies who are on the bandwagon.

This might explain why there is less resistance from big industry here than one would normally expect
I am so happy about this.
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Posted: May 31, 2011 - 2:53am

 bokey wrote:

Gee- The german government bonkers? Whoulda ever thunk it?

 


 beamends wrote:

I shouldn't think so. The Germans (as in general public) seem to genuinely not want nuclear, they have had strong Green politicians for years. I wasn't being ironic, I'm genuinely interested in how they propose to do it. I was, however, being ironic about the electric cars as the very same people who are against nuclear (and coal, and oil, and gas) power are often the very same who want electric cars - they just seen to think electric cars run on magic moonbeams rather than the output of power stations.
 

one factor in the groundswell in favor of renewables here is a feeling of optimism that German engineering will rise to the challenge and find new technologies / refine existing ones to a point where they can compete against fossil fuels / nuclear. One of my mates is R&D director of a specialist engineering company here and he thinks it can be done so it's not just utopian greenies who are on the bandwagon.

This might explain why there is less resistance from big industry here than one would normally expect.

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Posted: May 31, 2011 - 12:34am

 Beaker wrote:

Exactly.  Silly kniggits.  Perhaps the German people will throw the clowns out of office once they figure out they've elected dunces

Now about those threats to big coal in the U.S. of A....

 
I shouldn't think so. The Germans (as in general public) seem to genuinely not want nuclear, they have had strong Green politicians for years. I wasn't being ironic, I'm genuinely interested in how they propose to do it. I was, however, being ironic about the electric cars as the very same people who are against nuclear (and coal, and oil, and gas) power are often the very same who want electric cars - they just seen to think electric cars run on magic moonbeams rather than the output of power stations.

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Posted: May 30, 2011 - 10:56pm

 MrsHobieJoe wrote:

Germany to shut all nuclear reactors

Move prompted by mass protests against nuclear power following Japan's nuclear disaster

the link is to the Guardian newspaper

My observation- this move by the German government is bonkers.



 
It's going to be interesting to see how they are going to replace the 23% of their generating capacity - plus power all those electric cars that are being touted so hard.

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Posted: May 30, 2011 - 10:16pm

 MrsHobieJoe wrote:

Germany to shut all nuclear reactors

Move prompted by mass protests against nuclear power following Japan's nuclear disaster

the link is to the Guardian newspaper

My observation- this move by the German government is bonkers.



 
Gee- The german government bonkers? Whoulda ever thunk it?


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Posted: May 30, 2011 - 10:11pm

Germany to shut all nuclear reactors

Move prompted by mass protests against nuclear power following Japan's nuclear disaster

the link is to the Guardian newspaper

My observation- this move by the German government is bonkers.




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Posted: May 29, 2011 - 9:54pm

Germany pledges to end all nuclear power by 2022

"It's definite. The latest end for the last three nuclear power plants is 2022. There will be no clause for revision."

Sanity has broke out in Germany!
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Posted: Apr 24, 2011 - 8:47pm

 miamizsun wrote:
Savior if done properly, like with Thorium. As usual our government/politics are in the way of common sense solutions.

The real issues? Government can't make weapons of mass destruction with Thorium.

Thorium is much more plentiful, infinitely safer, and multiples more efficient (Thorium reactors can't melt down either)

Does it have some challenges, yes, but they are far less complicated than current nuclear.

China and India are moving ahead with Thorium.

Thorium reactors can burn the current waste we have and produce scads of energy from it.

A short condensed vid on Thorium.

 
Agree.

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Posted: Apr 24, 2011 - 3:54pm

 miamizsun wrote:
Savior if done properly, like with Thorium. As usual our government/politics are in the way of common sense solutions.

The real issues? Government can't make weapons of mass destruction with Thorium.

Thorium is much more plentiful, infinitely safer, and multiples more efficient (Thorium reactors can't melt down either)

Does it have some challenges, yes, but they are far less complicated than current nuclear.

China and India are moving ahead with Thorium.

Thorium reactors can burn the current waste we have and produce scads of energy from it.

A short condensed vid on Thorium.


 
{#High-five} Thorium makes perfect sense....therefore it won't happen....{#Cry}
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Posted: Apr 24, 2011 - 6:18am

Savior if done properly, like with Thorium. As usual our government/politics are in the way of common sense solutions.

The real issues? Government can't make weapons of mass destruction with Thorium.

Thorium is much more plentiful, infinitely safer, and multiples more efficient (Thorium reactors can't melt down either)

Does it have some challenges, yes, but they are far less complicated than current nuclear.

China and India are moving ahead with Thorium.

Thorium reactors can burn the current waste we have and produce scads of energy from it.

A short condensed vid on Thorium.

NoEnzLefttoSplit

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Posted: Apr 23, 2011 - 10:31pm

Don't know if anybody else has been following it but there has been a series of excellent articles on this issue in the Guardian (both for and against). The comments are also worth reading (if you have time!!).

This latest blog entry is perhaps a good place to start.  Unsure about nuclear power? Five questions.
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Posted: Mar 28, 2011 - 5:02pm

Japan's government has been accused of allowing an incestuous relationship to develop with power giant Tepco to the detriment of safety standards. Senior government figures have become accustomed to lucrative posts in the energy sector on retiring from public life and criticism of companies like Tepco has consequently been muted.

Mitsuhiko Tanaka, a retired nuclear engineer who had worked on the Fukushima reactors, said the "nuclear village" in which public officials, academics and power company employees avoided criticising each other had created a dangerous consensus which had made the industry less accountable.

Influential nuclear critic and MP, Taro Kono, went further, suggesting the power lobby's influence on the media, where it is among the country's leading advertisers, had insulated it from proper inspection. "The power industry is one of the largest spenders so media can't criticise it," he said.

This all sounds very similar to the situation in Canada, especially in the province of Ontario.



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Posted: Mar 23, 2011 - 9:14am

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:

Most definitely. Australia is a lot denser than that.
 
{#Roflol}

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Posted: Mar 23, 2011 - 9:13am

 beamends wrote:

I think it should be noted that some of these figures, particularly for Australia, are open to debate.
 
Most definitely. Australia is a lot denser than that.

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Posted: Mar 23, 2011 - 9:00am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

Estimated world thorium resources1 

(Reasonably assured and inferred resources recoverable at
up to $80/kg Th)
Country Tonnes % of total
Australia
489,000
19
USA
400,000
15
Turkey
344,000
13
India
319,000
12
Venezuela
300,000
12
Brazil
302,000
12
Norway
132,000
5
Egypt
100,000
4
Russia
75,000
3
Greenland
54,000
2
Canada
44,000
2
South Africa
18,000
1
Other countries
33,000
1
World total 
2,610,000 
 

 
I think it should be noted that some of these figures, particularly for Australia, are open to debate.

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