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steeler

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Posted: Dec 7, 2009 - 5:28pm

 Welly wrote:

Well, see you take a tomato, right? And you put it in this mason jar, see?And then you put in a few fruit flies. And then you put on the lid. And you wait. And you watch. Because those fruit flies love that tomato and they, er, love each other too. So they eat and procreate like...well like fruit flies. And eventually the tomato is mostly gone and the jar is full of mostly fruit flies. THE END.
 

I did read Lord of the Flies.

That plays out here on a daily basis.  {#Lol}
Welly

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Posted: Dec 7, 2009 - 5:27pm

 steeler wrote:


I think I skipped that day.  {#Doh}

 
Well, see you take a tomato, right? And you put it in this mason jar, see?And then you put in a few fruit flies. And then you put on the lid. And you wait. And you watch. Because those fruit flies love that tomato and they, er, love each other too. So they eat and procreate like...well like fruit flies. And eventually the tomato is mostly gone and the jar is full of mostly fruit flies. THE END.

steeler

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Posted: Dec 7, 2009 - 5:24pm

 Welly wrote:

The old grade 5 tomato + fruit flies in the mason jar science experiemt, remember?

(And I'm gonna wait for you after school.)
 

I think I skipped that day.  {#Doh}
steeler

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Posted: Dec 7, 2009 - 5:24pm

 oldviolin wrote:

Actually, I think that you under estimate the rationale and intelligence of a lot of folks with that particular attitude. The fact that climate change is a reality over time is hardly in dispute. The argument comes over just what role humanity actually plays in it. I think there is room for discussion without the snide remarks, don't you? There are plenty of questions yet to be answered, the science of tact and political strategy notwithstanding.
 

Indeed.  There was an Ice Age.  Wiped out dinosaurs until they became, er, well, dinosaurs.

Nothing to worry about. Move along.   {#Wink}

Edit:  A little more seriously . . . it does seem that there is reason for concern, which is what gets me when those out on the margin argue that it is a hoax.


Welly

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Posted: Dec 7, 2009 - 5:23pm

 steeler wrote:


Where is your proof of that?  Huh?  Huh?  

{#Wink} 

 
The old grade 5 tomato + fruit flies in the mason jar science experiemt, remember?

(And I'm gonna wait for you after school.)

steeler

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Posted: Dec 7, 2009 - 5:20pm

 Welly wrote:

Meh. We're in complete overshoot. Unless we reduce consumption/growth the system will crash and not much else will matter.Unfortunately there are some who believe the only way forward is to continue growing.It's a hootenany of a debate, that much is for sure.
 

Where is your proof of that?  Huh?  Huh?  

{#Wink} 
Welly

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Posted: Dec 7, 2009 - 5:18pm

 dionysius wrote:
 Welly wrote:

Another interesting perspective. FWIW, this one is more in line with my thinking.


You radical!

 
Meh. We're in complete overshoot. Unless we reduce consumption/growth the system will crash and not much else will matter.Unfortunately there are some who believe the only way forward is to continue growing.It's a hootenany of a debate, that much is for sure.

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Posted: Dec 7, 2009 - 5:06pm

 oldviolin wrote:

Actually, I think that you under estimate the rationale and intelligence of a lot of folks with that particular attitude. The fact that climate change is a reality over time is hardly in dispute. The argument comes over just what role humanity actually plays in it. I think there is room for discussion without the snide remarks, don't you? There are plenty of questions yet to be answered, the science of tact and political strategy notwithstanding.
 

Having patience with wrongheadedness may be a virtue you possess more than I do, OV. The questions have already mostly been answered; the "doubt" is a politicized, artificial, manufactured thing that has nothing to do with science. Anthropogenic climate change is an unfortunate reality; almost every major published scientific paper on the subject points to it. Unable to produce similar scientific literature on their side, the deniers simply seek to create doubt, cast aspersions on what the actual scientists do, delay and deny. I'm actually not worried about it. The proof, as they say, will be in the pudding. In decades to come, as the sea levels rise, icecaps melt, ocean currents and temperatures change, and weather becomes more and more bizarre, people who now claim the title "skeptic" will then be saying, "Well, I knew it all along." The more things change....


islander

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Posted: Dec 7, 2009 - 5:01pm

 Beaker wrote:

On this topic, are there only two classes of folk in your worldview?  Believers and deniers?  How about those of us sitting on the fence who acknowledge points made by both sides?  What about those of us who want the science to be proven and re-tested, based upon the proven shenanigans?  Sounds reasonable to me.

Oh wait.  I'll just bet you assume anyone who isn't a believer, by virtue, MUST BE a DENIER!  Of course!  Silly me.
 

I'm genuinely curious when I ask this: Have you ever posted anything in support of anthropomorphic climate change? I had thought that the majority of your arguments were "it's a sham foisted on us by the environmentalists".

edit: duh s/anthropomorphic/anthropogenic.   Although anthropomorphic might be an interesting discussion as well.

steeler

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Posted: Dec 7, 2009 - 4:57pm

 islander wrote:

Absolute proof is only required for items they are opposed to, any issue that aligns with their ideals can be justified w/ any random blog post on the topic.
 
{#Lol}

The only proof worth proving is Absolut!   


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Posted: Dec 7, 2009 - 4:57pm

 dionysius wrote:


*bump* Folks (those who aren't deniers) should have a look! Love those Danes! (With a shout out to Talalala and Bjørn.)

Actually, deniers need to look the most.

 
Actually, I think that you under estimate the rationale and intelligence of a lot of folks with that particular attitude. The fact that climate change is a reality over time is hardly in dispute. The argument comes over just what role humanity actually plays in it. I think there is room for discussion without the snide remarks, don't you? There are plenty of questions yet to be answered, the science of tact and political strategy notwithstanding.

dionysius

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Posted: Dec 7, 2009 - 4:45pm

 dionysius wrote:
Starting today! We can follow the proceedings of the Copenhagen Conference online here. Click on the "Denmark's Efforts" tab to learn a few interesting things the host country is doing towards a greener and more sustainable economy. The Danes' determination and drive on these issues over a broad front is pretty inspiring.

 

*bump* Folks (those who aren't deniers) should have a look! Love those Danes! (With a shout out to Talalala and Bjørn.)

Actually, deniers need to look the most.
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Posted: Dec 7, 2009 - 4:38pm

 steeler wrote:
The demand for absolute proof certain of global warming amuses and mystyifies me, especially when those demands come from persons who devotedly and absolutely believe in God or some other superior being or force.

{#Whisper}  That's just fuzzy science . . . hey, Santa's coming in a couple weeks!       

 
Absolute proof is only required for items they are opposed to, any issue that aligns with their ideals can be justified w/ any random blog post on the topic.

steeler

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Posted: Dec 7, 2009 - 4:28pm

 oldviolin wrote:

I think the proof of lack of objectivity is what amuses me. Otherwise the argument would be lost on common sense with regards to the very real and documentable issues of air, water, and noise pollution, the latter ramping up considerably most recently.
By the way, God told me to write that.{#Wink}
 

{#Lol}
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Posted: Dec 7, 2009 - 4:26pm

 steeler wrote:
The demand for absolute proof certain of global warming amuses and mystyifies me, especially when those demands come from persons who devotedly and absolutely believe in God or some other superior being or force.

{#Whisper}  That's just fuzzy science . . . hey, Santa's coming in a couple weeks!       

 
I think the proof of lack of objectivity is what amuses me. Otherwise the argument would be lost on common sense with regards to the very real and documentable issues of air, water, and noise pollution, the latter ramping up considerably most recently.
By the way, God told me to write that.{#Wink}

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Posted: Dec 7, 2009 - 4:18pm

 Beaker wrote:
WOW.

"The determination gives the EPA wide-ranging authority over the operations of energy production and manufacturing:"

"Don’t kid yourself into thinking the EPA doesn’t understand the scope of its power.  By classifying CO2 and methane (among other so-called greenhouse gases, it can inject itself into just about every industry in the US.  Energy production will be its primary target, but the EPA has also gone after coal mining on the basis of the Clean Water Act; it will certainly not be shy about using this new authority to kill coal mining altogether.  It will also impact agriculture, especially dairies and cattle ranching, as well as transportation.  The entire manufacturing sector will have to answer for its output."
 
Yes it will. There's this little thing called "Congress", see...

steeler

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Posted: Dec 7, 2009 - 4:13pm

The demand for absolute proof certain of global warming amuses and mystyifies me, especially when those demands come from persons who devotedly and absolutely believe in God or some other superior being or force.

{#Whisper}  That's just fuzzy science . . . hey, Santa's coming in a couple weeks!       


Monkeysdad

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Posted: Dec 7, 2009 - 12:29pm

 Beaker wrote:


 
hilarious!

zipper

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Posted: Dec 7, 2009 - 12:09pm

 Beaker wrote:


 
{#Lol}

May I suggest Option #4 - Proclaim that the coronation of O caused the oceans to cease their rising, as foretold in the prophecy.


dionysius

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Posted: Dec 7, 2009 - 11:51am

From the EPA, by way of the CNN website, more actual and reputable information on the subject in time for Copenhagen.
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