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oldviolin

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Posted: Mar 8, 2010 - 8:37am
jadewahoo wrote: oldviolin wrote: We did, and you can too... That is the crux of the problem, innit? flush

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Posted: Mar 8, 2010 - 8:16am

Beaker wrote:

What exactly are you implying? Think carefully.

You're starting to sound like another broken record that recently stopped playing here.

I am not implying anything; you cut and pasted a link that albeit seems to be argumentatively supporting your argument that the ice caps are not melting. I did a quick search and had literally hundreds and hundreds of links and videos stating that it clearly was. You cut and paste something, I did too. No implications here. {#No}

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Posted: Mar 8, 2010 - 8:07am

Beaker wrote:

Unfortunately, the actual science doesn't appear to concur with your view.

Summary: Antarctic Sea Ice Trends

Detail: Current Trends in Antarctic Sea Ice: The 1990s Impact on a Short Climatology

Cut and paste, cut and paste; look I can do that too {#Rolleyes}

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http://www.nrdc.org/globalWarming/qthinice.asp
http://zfacts.com/p/222.html
http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/climate-change/stories/polar-ice-caps-melting-faster-than-we-thought
http://www.awitness.org/journal/melt_ice_cap_glacier.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tag/polar-ice-caps-melting
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article5683655.ece
http://armageddononline.tripod.com/icecaps.htm
http://meltingicecaps.org/
http://www.lime.com/tag/melting_polar_ice
http://www.riverdeep.net/current/2002/06/060302_polarcaps.jhtml
http://www.environment-support.org/global-warming/articles/polar-ice-caps-melting.html
http://www.awesomelibrary.org/Classroom/Science/Ecology/Polar_Ice_Caps.html
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/11/1109_041109_polar_ice.html

jadewahoo

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Posted: Mar 8, 2010 - 8:02am
oldviolin wrote: We did, and you can too... That is the crux of the problem, innit?

oldviolin

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Posted: Mar 8, 2010 - 7:47am
jadewahoo wrote: oldviolin wrote: At the point where the subject became a geopolitical diorama instead of a common sense approach to fighting the causes of pollution and management of resources (natural and human) in general, the chips had already fallen to the bottom of any real and lasting cooperation. Can we play poker with those chips? We did, and you can too...

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Posted: Mar 8, 2010 - 7:45am
oldviolin wrote: At the point where the subject became a geopolitical diorama instead of a common sense approach to fighting the causes of pollution and management of resources (natural and human) in general, the chips had already fallen to the bottom of any real and lasting cooperation. Can we play poker with those chips?

marko86

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Posted: Mar 8, 2010 - 7:43am

Beaker wrote:

As usual, you know not what you post. There is much more recent studies that show there is melting occuring, though there is much more research to be done. Ironically, I also remember reading how the ozone hole has helped keeps things cooler then they would be otherwise.

Antarctic Melting trends

On another note, I am not sure why Miamiizsun was being razzed. He is correct. You cannot point to an iceberg episode and say this was directly caused by Global Warming, s it is in context of natural occuring event. Just like it is wrong to say a single hurricane event is caused by global warming.

oldviolin

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Posted: Mar 8, 2010 - 7:43am
At the point where the subject became a geopolitical diorama instead of a common sense approach to fighting the causes of pollution and management of resources (natural and human) in general, the chips had already fallen to the bottom of any real and lasting cooperation.

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Posted: Mar 8, 2010 - 7:34am

phineas wrote:

The ice caps have melted and refrozen before, long before humans could have had any effect. The location I'm typing from at this moment was under ice nearly 2 miles thick about 12,000 years ago (the proverbial geological blink of an eye). How did that happen?

For the record, I fully believe that the practice humans make of pooping in their own nest is ridiculous, and any notion of economics that doesn't factor in environmental degradation caused through extraction/manufacturing/etc. is even less than "dismal".

edit: the human hubris of trying to "slow this obvious trend" must have the gods all a twitter...

Yes, this is absolutely true and the Earth has undergone numerous ELEs and no doubt will again, but it is obvious just as you stated that "pooping in our own nest" is no doubt accelarating and excerbating the change at a rate never before recorded in earths history. If we can take steps to decelerate this process, we should, though I fear it may be too late. The quickening has already set.

oldviolin

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Posted: Mar 8, 2010 - 7:30am

phineas wrote:

The ice caps have melted and refrozen before, long before humans could have had any effect. The location I'm typing from at this moment was under ice nearly 2 miles thick about 12,000 years ago (the proverbial geological blink of an eye). How did that happen?

For the record, I fully believe that the practice humans make of pooping in their own nest is ridiculous, and any notion of economics that doesn't factor in environmental degradation caused through extraction/manufacturing/etc. is even less than "dismal".

edit: the human hubris of trying to "slow this obvious trend" must have the gods all a twitter...

At least the makings of epic poetry...

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Posted: Mar 8, 2010 - 7:27am

sirdroseph wrote:

The ice caps are melting all over the world, this is a fact, death is death regardless of your political affiliation, this is also a fact. If'n it makes you feel better to think that we did not cause this, you go ahead. Perhaps this energy should be better spent on understanding how to slow this obvious trend instead of partisan bickering.

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Posted: Mar 8, 2010 - 7:26am
oldviolin wrote: Is that like saying that no good crisis should be wasted on common sense? Why yes, it is!

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Posted: Mar 8, 2010 - 7:26am
oldviolin wrote: Define reality... Hey OV How about a couple of quotes: Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. ~Philip K. Dick Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one. ~Albert Einstein

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Posted: Mar 8, 2010 - 7:24am

sirdroseph wrote:

Is that like saying that no good crisis should be wasted on common sense?

sirdroseph

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Posted: Mar 8, 2010 - 7:22am
The ice caps are melting all over the world, this is a fact, death is death regardless of your political affiliation, this is also a fact. If'n it makes you feel better to think that we did not cause this, you go ahead. Perhaps this energy should be better spent on understanding how to slow this obvious trend instead of partisan bickering.

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Posted: Mar 8, 2010 - 7:19am
miamizsun wrote: I understand intuition, gut feelings, reason and critical thinking, however if one wants to be taken seriously, their beliefs need to be rooted in reality and observable/repeatable occurrences. Either we have good reasons to believe what we believe, or we don't. Regards Define reality...

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Posted: Mar 8, 2010 - 7:17am

jadewahoo wrote:

Who cares what the effen 'news' says? Since when have we abdicated our right to think and comment to some cut-and-paste reality show? Sad, sad, sad state of affairs when the people have been reduced to regurgitators of someone else's opinions and no longer trust their own heart and knowingness.

I understand intuition, gut feelings, reason and critical thinking, however if one wants to be taken seriously, their beliefs need to be rooted in reality and observable/repeatable occurrences. Either we have good reasons to believe what we believe, or we don't.

Regards

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Posted: Mar 7, 2010 - 9:03am

jadewahoo wrote:

Animation of Giant Iceberg Collision as Seen From Space

The collision in early February of the 60-mile-long B-9B iceberg with the protruding tongue of the Mertz Glacier in East Antarctica is captured here in a series of satellite radar images.

The crash created a second massive iceberg nearly 50 miles long and 25 miles wide, named C-28. The name means that it’s the 28th glacier since 1976 that has broken off from the quadrant of Antarctica that faces Australia.

The two icebergs have since drifted into a polynya, which is an area of open water that’s surrounded by sea ice but stays unfrozen for much or all of the year. The bergs are obstructing the ocean circulation created by the polynya, and could deprive local marine life of oxygen if they don’t move.

The images were taken by the synthetic-aperture-radar instrument aboard the European Space Agency’s Envisat satellite.

Images: ESA

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Nothing to worry about here folks, just stick your head in the sand or move along.

Very cool Jade, thanks.

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Posted: Mar 7, 2010 - 9:01am

Lazy8 wrote:

jadewahoo wrote:

Um, those of us who don't expect to find out what's happening on our planet by holding our hands over our ears and listening to the blood rush?

News is information. Information is not sufficient unto itself. When you can no longer feel with your heart the estrangement of your life from the world around, all is lost. No amount of new news will change that. Healthy proportions of each are required for an effective alteration of course upon this planet.

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Posted: Mar 7, 2010 - 8:56am
oldviolin wrote: Define sand... 's and

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