Couldn't stand Sanders when he broke in back in the late 80's. It was the new age, showboating, etc. He wasn't the only one of course. Back in the day in athletic endeavors we were brought up with a certain level of sportsmanship which didn't allow for taunting or gloating etc. Now I don't feel any different probably. Celebrating is ok and sports are pretty emotional on all sides, but I do feel differently about Sanders. He has proven over his career to be the real thing. I admire him for the "it" he's been blessed with and has used effectively. Very happy for his success. He gets to coach a major college program with his own two sons on the team. What a dream. That area of the country is football crazy like many other areas. Looking forward to following.
I wasn't following him back then, but I am pretty impressed with the coaching/mentoring of his players...beyond the 3-0 start.
The talk of him kicking players out...he defended that on 60 minutes. While admitting many were not good enough to be on his team, he also offered something like, if I can scare you out with just my words, you don't belong here...and not everyone who heard that message was scared and left...some fought to stay.
The Colorado State coaches a dirty brand of football. So many illegal plays that seemed to try to injure...Dirt, just plain dirty.
Yes, for a coach grumbling about manners...he apparently is lousy at instilling discipline in his own team.
While I was impressed with CSUs defense...those cheap shots especially by Blackburn on Hunter, which put him out of the game for a few weeks and probably out of Heisman contention, were inexcusable.
But what a comeback and game....I think it clocked in at just over 4 hours.
Couldn't stand Sanders when he broke in back in the late 80's. It was the new age, showboating, etc. He wasn't the only one of course. Back in the day in athletic endeavors we were brought up with a certain level of sportsmanship which didn't allow for taunting or gloating etc. Now I don't feel any different probably. Celebrating is ok and sports are pretty emotional on all sides, but I do feel differently about Sanders. He has proven over his career to be the real thing. I admire him for the "it" he's been blessed with and has used effectively. Very happy for his success. He gets to coach a major college program with his own two sons on the team. What a dream. That area of the country is football crazy like many other areas. Looking forward to following.
Didnât their coach throw shade on Deion Sanders? Howâd that work out?
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He criticized Sanders for not taking his hat and sunglasses of during interviews.
"I sat down with ESPN today. And I don't care if they hear it in Boulder. I told them, 'I took my hat off, and I took my glasses off.' And I said, 'When I talk to grown-ups, I take my hat and my glasses off.' That's what my mother taught me," Norvell said. "They're not going to like us, no matter what we say or do. It doesn't matter. So, let's go up there and play."
He brought players that wanted to play for him. He inherited a group that had little to no talent and he had no reason to keep the low performers. I see no reason to condemn him for his use of the portal to build his team around the three players that remained from last years Colorado team.
Condemn is a little strong; I would say I question how this was done. For example, telling players to leave and then labeling them as quitters bothers me. Prime is about his brand and, yes, about winning. He has quickly turned the team around, as we saw yesterday against TCU. An impressive win.
Sorry, maybe chastised would be a better word. He did what he had to do and we will never see it happen like that again. I don't think their will ever be a need to do it again. X amount of those players didn't want to put in the work and left. Maybe they couldn't take orders from a man like Prime...We just don't know...I know this though, he cut out the cancer that lost eleven of twelve game last year and transplanted it with a group who all gave him 110% and my hats off to him.
That is how I see it. I think it is an apt description.
I take issue with folks trying to tear the man down⦠I certainly couldnât argue with someone whoâs had the success heâs had in sports and life. If you followed sanders since Jackson st, building playerâs abilities and individual character has been central to his messaging.
as for turning these amateurs into a business, thatâs been evident for decadesâ¦mixed feelings but agree they should be able to monetize their own image â¦but much against schools paying any athletes
That is how I see it. I think it is an apt description.
I take issue with folks trying to tear the man down⦠I certainly couldnât argue with someone whoâs had the success heâs had in sports and life. If you followed sanders since Jackson st, building playerâs abilities and individual character has been central to his messaging.
as for turning these amateurs into a business, thatâs been evident for decadesâ¦mixed feelings but agree they should be able to monetize their own image â¦but much against schools paying any athletes
By the way, I used the phrase about not letting the door hit you in the ass on the way out to describe the situation as it appeared to me. I never said that he had said that. I put quotes around statements he has made.
He may not have used those words...but that's exactly what he said when he was hired.
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Posted:
Sep 3, 2023 - 10:33am
black321 wrote:
Do you not like Sanders because he said donât let the door hit u on the ass(which he didnât), or because they quit (which some did), or because he used the portal system to replace players he didnât think were up to his standards and others who quit, and rebuild a team that was 1-11, not to mention had been underperforming for a decade plus⦠which he was hired to do?
Ps what I do like about Sanders is his ability not only to rebuild a program but also build young players, most of whom wonât make it to the pros, to be successful adults.
I do not dislike Deion Sanders (in fact, I have followed his career starting with his time at Florida State). I have stated a few times now that I questioned what he did and how he did it. I especially do not think he needed to be as publicly vocal about getting rid of players so he can bring new ones in (âNo way that I can put new furniture in this beautiful home if we donât clean out the old furniture."). He made it known to the old players on Day One that they should be looking to enter the transfer portal and he did so, by his own admission, to open up as many scholarships as possible to be able to bring in new and better players. Not a surprise, then, that so many players chose to leave the program.
Curious as to what you are basing your statement that he works to âbuild young players . . . to be successful adults?â Not saying he hasnât done that; I really do not know. I do think he showed some unnecessary disrespect for the Colorado players that were encouraged to leave the program,. It does appear to me that his public statements inescapably branded the ousted players as losers. Did not Colorado and Sanders owe them more than that? In this regard, I echo rgioâs comments. These are student-athletes (supposedly). To me, this underscores that winning is all that matters.
By the way, I used the phrase about not letting the door hit you in the ass on the way out to describe the situation as it appeared to me. I never said that he had said that. I put quotes around statements he has made.
Ps what I do like about Sanders is his ability not only to rebuild a program but also build young players, most of whom wonât make it to the pros, to be successful adults.
He could have done that for last year's players as well.
It's about winning. In order to rebuild, you first have to tear down. That involves the same number of lives, who had committed to CU only to have them turn on them.
Condemn is a little strong; I would say I question how this was done. For example, telling players to leave and then labeling them as quitters bothers me.
Prime is about his brand and, yes, about winning. He has quickly turned the team around, as we saw yesterday against TCU. An impressive win.
Do you not like Sanders because he said donât let the door hit u on the ass(which he didnât), or because they quit (which some did), or because he used the portal system to replace players he didnât think were up to his standards and others who quit, and rebuild a team that was 1-11, not to mention had been underperforming for a decade plus⦠which he was hired to do?
Ps what I do like about Sanders is his ability not only to rebuild a program but also build young players, most of whom wonât make it to the pros, to be successful adults.
Location: Perched on the precipice of the cauldron of truth
Posted:
Sep 3, 2023 - 5:32am
Coaxial wrote:
He brought players that wanted to play for him. He inherited a group that had little to no talent and he had no reason to keep the low performers. I see no reason to condemn him for his use of the portal to build his team around the three players that remained from last years Colorado team.
Condemn is a little strong; I would say I question how this was done. For example, telling players to leave and then labeling them as quitters bothers me.
Prime is about his brand and, yes, about winning. He has quickly turned the team around, as we saw yesterday against TCU. An impressive win.
Referring to “some” of the players back in Dec, he said he’s bringing his own luggage…you can jump in the portal and see what you can get. Addressing a team that was 1-11 and saying I’m coming and building a winning environment, how could you not expect a significant # would be gone? Many were asked to leave and many left on their own.
“I’m coming. And when I get there, it’s gonna be changed, so I want y’all to get ready to go ahead and jump in that portal and do whatever you’re gonna get because the more of you jump into (the portal), the more room you make because we bring kids that are smart, tough.” The message was clear. Only 10 scholarship players from last season remain. 46 transfers into the program. Speaks for itself, I think. One could argue it was meant to be motivational, but those numbers belie that as do subsequent statements from Deion that he talked with 20 players about it being best for them to transfer and the others “quit.” The turnover was unprecedented even in this transfer portal era.
He brought players that wanted to play for him. He inherited a group that had little to no talent and he had no reason to keep the low performers. I see no reason to condemn him for his use of the portal to build his team around the three players that remained from last years Colorado team.
Location: Perched on the precipice of the cauldron of truth
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Sep 3, 2023 - 4:52am
black321 wrote:
Referring to âsomeâ of the players back in Dec, he said heâs bringing his own luggageâ¦you can jump in the portal and see what you can get. Addressing a team that was 1-11 and saying Iâm coming and building a winning environment, how could you not expect a significant # would be gone? Many were asked to leave and many left on their own.
âIâm coming. And when I get there, itâs gonna be changed, so I want yâall to get ready to go ahead and jump in that portal and do whatever youâre gonna get because the more of you jump into (the portal), the more room you make because we bring kids that are smart, tough.â
The message was clear. Only 10 scholarship players from last season remain. 46 transfers into the program. Speaks for itself, I think. One could argue it was meant to be motivational, but those numbers belie that as do subsequent statements from Deion that he talked with 20-some players about it being best for them to transfer and the others âquit.â
The turnover was unprecedented even in this transfer portal era.
Why do they call it a horse collar tackle? I would think it would be really hard (impossible) to tackle a horse. Why not say dog collar tackle? I can see that.
When the Buffaloes take the field in Fort Worth, Texas, against No. 17
TCU on Saturday (noon ET, Fox), the only resemblance to last year's team
will be the uniforms. Only 10 scholarship players from the 2022 roster
remain with the team. The team's 86 new players come from all over â
from high school to junior college to the SEC â including nine who
followed Sanders from Jackson State, led by Shedeur Sanders, Deion's son and CU's starting QB, and Travis Hunter,
the No. 2 overall recruit in the 2022 class. According to ESPN Stats
& Information data, it's the most incoming players to an FBS roster
since the inception of the transfer portal in 2018.
As for the "don't let the door hit you in the ass" comments. He literally said the day he took over that he was going to dump most of the players. It's a whole new team.
Referring to âsomeâ of the players back in Dec, he said heâs bringing his own luggageâ¦you can jump in the portal and see what you can get. Addressing a team that was 1-11 and saying Iâm coming and building a winning environment, how could you not expect a significant # would be gone? Many were asked to leave and many left on their own.
