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Posted: Aug 23, 2009 - 2:24pm

 ptooey wrote:
And a person can only eat so much beef.  {#Confused}

 
I'll trade you for corn and tomatoes!!
wait. we can't do that. it's not local.

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Posted: Aug 23, 2009 - 2:19pm

oldviolin wrote:

All of them?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_expectancy



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Posted: Aug 23, 2009 - 2:17pm

 oldviolin wrote:
So, what did the folks do before food was shipped in from far and often foreign places?

 
they lived on farms or there was a lot more farmland around them. not so anymore in a lot of places. so now what?

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Posted: Aug 23, 2009 - 2:15pm

 ptooey wrote:

Died in their mid-40s.
 
All of them?

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Posted: Aug 23, 2009 - 2:15pm

oldviolin wrote:
So, what did the folks do before food was shipped in from far and often foreign places?


Died in their mid-40s.

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Posted: Aug 23, 2009 - 2:14pm

JrzyTmata wrote:

I don't want you to starve!!!
And a person can only eat so much beef.  {#Confused}


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Posted: Aug 23, 2009 - 2:13pm

So, what did the folks do before food was shipped in from far and often foreign places?
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Posted: Aug 23, 2009 - 2:13pm

 JrzyTmata wrote:

I have a problem with Buy Local. maybe I don't understand the concept. but there are an awful lot of people that live in areas that can't support agriculture in the quantities that is needed to feed the locals. Or the climate can't grow a big enough variety. and then there's the non-growing season. what then?
 
It's a valid question. We would buy locally, but there isn't much immediately local except seafood (of which we partake OFTEN) and rice- unless I'm missing some fab local marketplace hiding out somewhere that I've never heard of. But even after 26 years of diligent searching, I haven't found one.

I do agree, though, that fast food and the food production industry in general is out of control and needs all of us to Just Say No in order to force them to produce quality food. I'm not a food snob, I'll eat most any cuisine in a restaurant, but I require the ingredients to be fresh and of high quality- otherwise, I'll stay at home and cook. Fast food is almost universally repulsive and chain restaurants like Red Lobster will just never get my business as long as they continue to rely on corporate pre-packaged salt bombs to inform their food.

Wait. Maybe I am a food snob.  {#Ask}


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Posted: Aug 23, 2009 - 2:13pm

 ptooey wrote:


What, like here where it can freeze 9 months of the year or more?

Yeah, me too.
 
I don't want you to starve!!!

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Posted: Aug 23, 2009 - 2:11pm

JrzyTmata wrote:

I have a problem with Buy Local. maybe I don't understand the concept. but there are an awful lot of people that live in areas that can't support agriculture in the quantities that is needed to feed the locals. Or the climate can't grow a big enough variety. and then there's the non-growing season. what then?


What, like here where it can freeze 9 months of the year or more?

Yeah, me too.

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Posted: Aug 23, 2009 - 2:08pm

 rosedraws wrote:
"Buy Local" is a mantra that can save the world.  One person at a time, we will eventually shift to a more diverse and intelligent way of feeding humanity.

 
I have a problem with Buy Local. maybe I don't understand the concept. but there are an awful lot of people that live in areas that can't support agriculture in the quantities that is needed to feed the locals. Or the climate can't grow a big enough variety. and then there's the non-growing season. what then?

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Posted: Aug 23, 2009 - 9:31am

 rosedraws wrote:
"Buy Local" is a mantra that can save the world.  One person at a time, we will eventually shift to a more diverse and intelligent way of feeding humanity.

   your dollar is your vote , we can shut down all the fast food joints and healthy fast food that uses local grown organic food will replace them , it is happening , we just need to crank up the volume


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Posted: Aug 23, 2009 - 9:29am

"Buy Local" is a mantra that can save the world.  One person at a time, we will eventually shift to a more diverse and intelligent way of feeding humanity.
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Posted: Aug 23, 2009 - 9:25am

http://www.fooddemocracynow.org/

Declaration for Healthy Food and Agriculture

We, the undersigned, believe that a healthy food system is necessary to meet the urgent challenges of our time. Behind us stands a half-century of industrial food production, underwritten by cheap fossil fuels, abundant land and water resources, and a drive to maximize the global harvest of cheap calories. Ahead lie rising energy and food costs, a changing climate, declining water supplies, a growing population, and the paradox of widespread hunger and obesity.

These realities call for a radically different approach to food and agriculture. We believe that the food system must be reorganized on a foundation of health: for our communities, for people, for animals, and for the natural world. The quality of food, and not just its quantity, ought to guide our agriculture. The ways we grow, distribute, and prepare food should celebrate our various cultures and our shared humanity, providing not only sustenance, but justice, beauty and pleasure.

Governments have a duty to protect people from malnutrition, unsafe food, and exploitation, and to protect the land and water on which we depend from degradation. Individuals, producers, and organizations have a duty to create regional systems that can provide healthy food for their communities. We all have a duty to respect and honor the laborers of the land without whom we could not survive. The changes we call for here have begun, but the time has come to accelerate the transformation of our food and agriculture and make its benefits available to all.

We believe that the following twelve principles should frame food and agriculture policy, to ensure that it will contribute to the health and wealth of the nation and the world. A healthy food and agriculture policy:

  1. Forms the foundation of secure and prosperous societies, healthy communities, and healthy people.

  2. Provides access to affordable, nutritious food to everyone.

  3. Prevents the exploitation of farmers, workers, and natural resources; the domination of genomes and markets; and the cruel treatment of animals, by any nation, corporation or individual.

  4. Upholds the dignity, safety, and quality of life for all who work to feed us.

  5. Commits resources to teach children the skills and knowledge essential to food production, preparation, nutrition, and enjoyment.

  6. Protects the finite resources of productive soils, fresh water, and biological diversity.

  7. Strives to remove fossil fuel from every link in the food chain and replace it with renewable resources and energy.

  8. Originates from a biological rather than an industrial framework.

  9. Fosters diversity in all its relevant forms: diversity of domestic and wild species; diversity of foods, flavors and traditions; diversity of ownership.

  10. Requires a national dialog concerning technologies used in production, and allows regions to adopt their own respective guidelines on such matters.

  11. Enforces transparency so that citizens know how their food is produced, where it comes from, and what it contains.

  12. Promotes economic structures and supports programs to nurture the development of just and sustainable regional farm and food networks.

Our pursuit of healthy food and agriculture unites us as people and as communities, across geographic boundaries, and social and economic lines. We pledge our votes, our purchases, our creativity, and our energies to this urgent cause.




 
arsenault wrote:
 chefatomic wrote:
here is a link for you
http://www.slowfoodusa.org/index.php/slow_food/blog_post/beyond_local_food_diversity/
to get started with then have a look at this:

http://www.codexalimentarius.net/web/index_en.jsp

how deep down the rabbit hole do you wish to go


interesting..
i have noticed an increase in cheap local produce through farmers markets etc. i can go to a different one every day here, and the prices are great.
and even in the supermarkets there is an attempt to buy locally.

i do see the problem though.
and places like 'Whole Foods' have great produce but poorer folks don't go there because they see how overpriced the other stuff is.

 


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Posted: Aug 23, 2009 - 9:16am

 chefatomic wrote:
here is a link for you
http://www.slowfoodusa.org/index.php/slow_food/blog_post/beyond_local_food_diversity/
to get started with then have a look at this:

http://www.codexalimentarius.net/web/index_en.jsp

how deep down the rabbit hole do you wish to go


interesting..
i have noticed an increase in cheap local produce through farmers markets etc. i can go to a different one every day here, and the prices are great.
and even in the supermarkets there is an attempt to buy locally.

i do see the problem though.
and places like 'Whole Foods' have great produce but poorer folks don't go there because they see how overpriced the other stuff is.


chefatomic

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Posted: Aug 23, 2009 - 9:01am

here is a link for you
http://www.slowfoodusa.org/index.php/slow_food/blog_post/beyond_local_food_diversity/
to get started with then have a look at this:

http://www.codexalimentarius.net/web/index_en.jsp

how deep down the rabbit hole do you wish to go


 
arsenault wrote:


How is food becoming less diverse?

How do we 'take our food back?'

What is a 'food system'?
 


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Posted: Aug 23, 2009 - 9:00am

 chefatomic wrote:
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Hello

I am a Executive Chef and have been a cook for 30 years of my 51, food provides for me, my family and I love working with food. here is the thing:

Food is becoming less diverse , food I use to build menus with 20 years does not exist now , or less abundant and nutritious.

People on the planet (one billion of them) are starving. The UN says ,"The UN warns that poor people living in cities will probably face the most severe problems in coping with the global recession, because lower export demand and reduced foreign investment are likely to hit urban jobs harder". Detroit no longer has a major grocery store , this will continue to happen. 1 out 6 people on our blue marble are starving , the majority of the people in the United State suffer from nutritional starvation. 40% of all children today will suffer from diabetes , the percentage of children with autism /allergies is rising . Chemical Companies are manufacturing genetically engineered suicide seeds, I could go on and on ...We have to take our food back .

So the thing is,if we don't take our food back it is gone for ever. Say good bye to real locally grown healthy food , say hello to Con-Agra and Monsanto`s version of food.

Food is a Democracy and everyone needs to know that , access to fresh healthy food is a human right and everyone needs to know that.

Food Democracy means that even if you live in a poor neighborhood, you should be able to go to your corner store and find fresh fruits and vegetables in addition to all the canned food, shelf stable food, tobacco products and 40 ouncers .

It means that everyone should have equal access to fresh healthy food.

Manufactured food is not food , and everyone needs to know that.

When we go to our local grocery store, which contains no fewer (on average) than 30,000 items what we are seeing is branding more than diversity and agricultural variety. In truth about 10 companies control what is in the store. And they are not concerned with your health or your right to a diverse and fresh diet; they are committed to producing profits for their shareholders.

People need information to make wise choices and the food choices that they have should not be determined by profit margins or shelf life.

 

I am a cook and I am trying to get the word to the people in my city, that they have a power that they are not aware of , the power to change the food systems that have taken their food away from them.

They have the power to grow their own food , and cook their own food. And they also have a human right to equal access to healthy food , it should not be only accessible by people in a higher tax bracket, who have a real grocery store in their neighborhood

This is what I am trying to help with in my city and I need some advise , about making healthy food more accessible in the nutritional wastelands that are all around me and growing everyday. And about getting the word out that that in a food democracy you vote every time you buy something to eat.


Thank you

eat well be well

 

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Yes, I totally agree. If I had the money, I would open a store in an under served area to be able to provide them with the freshest food, organic if possible.

I just saw a feature on some tv show, about how the Boys and Girls Club in some city has opened up a market to sell healthy fresh foods in these neighborhoods, and they have been extraordinarily successful.

I boycott corn products as much as possible, and try to shop without supporting these horrible, giant food manufacturers.

My son is a graduate of PICA and is the head baker for the Chicago Diner, a vegan restaurant, and provider of vegan baked goods to Whole Foods.

arsenault

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Posted: Aug 23, 2009 - 8:45am

 chefatomic wrote:
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Food is becoming less diverse , food I use to build menus with 20 years does not exist now , or less abundant and nutritious.


So the thing is,if we don't take our food back it is gone for ever.

 

I am a cook and I am trying to get the word to the people in my city, that they have a power that they are not aware of , the power to change the food systems that have taken their food away from them.

 

 

How is food becoming less diverse?

How do we 'take our food back?'

What is a 'food system'?

laprincessa

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Posted: Aug 23, 2009 - 8:34am

Amen, brother.
chefatomic

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Posted: Aug 23, 2009 - 8:21am

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Hello

I am a Executive Chef and have been a cook for 30 years of my 51, food provides for me, my family and I love working with food. here is the thing:

Food is becoming less diverse , food I use to build menus with 20 years does not exist now , or less abundant and nutritious.

People on the planet (one billion of them) are starving. The UN says ,"The UN warns that poor people living in cities will probably face the most severe problems in coping with the global recession, because lower export demand and reduced foreign investment are likely to hit urban jobs harder". Detroit no longer has a major grocery store , this will continue to happen. 1 out 6 people on our blue marble are starving , the majority of the people in the United State suffer from nutritional starvation. 40% of all children today will suffer from diabetes , the percentage of children with autism /allergies is rising . Chemical Companies are manufacturing genetically engineered suicide seeds, I could go on and on ...We have to take our food back .

So the thing is,if we don't take our food back it is gone for ever. Say good bye to real locally grown healthy food , say hello to Con-Agra and Monsanto`s version of food.

Food is a Democracy and everyone needs to know that , access to fresh healthy food is a human right and everyone needs to know that.

Food Democracy means that even if you live in a poor neighborhood, you should be able to go to your corner store and find fresh fruits and vegetables in addition to all the canned food, shelf stable food, tobacco products and 40 ouncers .

It means that everyone should have equal access to fresh healthy food.

Manufactured food is not food , and everyone needs to know that.

When we go to our local grocery store, which contains no fewer (on average) than 30,000 items what we are seeing is branding more than diversity and agricultural variety. In truth about 10 companies control what is in the store. And they are not concerned with your health or your right to a diverse and fresh diet; they are committed to producing profits for their shareholders.

People need information to make wise choices and the food choices that they have should not be determined by profit margins or shelf life.

 

I am a cook and I am trying to get the word to the people in my city, that they have a power that they are not aware of , the power to change the food systems that have taken their food away from them.

They have the power to grow their own food , and cook their own food. And they also have a human right to equal access to healthy food , it should not be only accessible by people in a higher tax bracket, who have a real grocery store in their neighborhood

This is what I am trying to help with in my city and I need some advise , about making healthy food more accessible in the nutritional wastelands that are all around me and growing everyday. And about getting the word out that that in a food democracy you vote every time you buy something to eat.


Thank you

eat well be well

 

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