[ ]   [ ]   [ ]                        [ ]      [ ]   [ ]

Wordle - daily game - rgio - Apr 19, 2024 - 5:06am
 
Today in History - DaveInSaoMiguel - Apr 19, 2024 - 4:43am
 
Ask an Atheist - NoEnzLefttoSplit - Apr 19, 2024 - 3:01am
 
Remembering the Good Old Days - Steely_D - Apr 19, 2024 - 2:08am
 
The Obituary Page - kurtster - Apr 18, 2024 - 10:45pm
 
TV shows you watch - kcar - Apr 18, 2024 - 9:13pm
 
Israel - R_P - Apr 18, 2024 - 8:25pm
 
Live Music - oldviolin - Apr 18, 2024 - 3:24pm
 
What Makes You Laugh? - oldviolin - Apr 18, 2024 - 2:49pm
 
Trump - rgio - Apr 18, 2024 - 2:46pm
 
NY Times Strands - geoff_morphini - Apr 18, 2024 - 2:20pm
 
Robots - miamizsun - Apr 18, 2024 - 2:18pm
 
NYTimes Connections - geoff_morphini - Apr 18, 2024 - 10:42am
 
Song of the Day - oldviolin - Apr 18, 2024 - 10:22am
 
Radio Paradise Comments - GeneP59 - Apr 18, 2024 - 7:58am
 
Museum Of Bad Album Covers - Steve - Apr 18, 2024 - 6:58am
 
April 2024 Photo Theme - Happenstance - haresfur - Apr 17, 2024 - 7:04pm
 
Europe - haresfur - Apr 17, 2024 - 6:47pm
 
Country Up The Bumpkin - KurtfromLaQuinta - Apr 17, 2024 - 5:23pm
 
Name My Band - GeneP59 - Apr 17, 2024 - 3:27pm
 
What's that smell? - Isabeau - Apr 17, 2024 - 2:50pm
 
USA! USA! USA! - R_P - Apr 17, 2024 - 1:48pm
 
Business as Usual - black321 - Apr 17, 2024 - 1:48pm
 
Things that make you go Hmmmm..... - dischuckin - Apr 17, 2024 - 1:29pm
 
Talk Behind Their Backs Forum - VV - Apr 17, 2024 - 1:26pm
 
Russia - R_P - Apr 17, 2024 - 1:14pm
 
Science in the News - Red_Dragon - Apr 17, 2024 - 11:14am
 
Magic Eye optical Illusions - Proclivities - Apr 17, 2024 - 10:08am
 
Ukraine - kurtster - Apr 17, 2024 - 10:05am
 
Photography Forum - Your Own Photos - Alchemist - Apr 17, 2024 - 9:38am
 
Just for the Haiku of it. . . - oldviolin - Apr 17, 2024 - 9:01am
 
HALF A WORLD - oldviolin - Apr 17, 2024 - 8:52am
 
• • • The Once-a-Day • • •  - oldviolin - Apr 16, 2024 - 9:08pm
 
Little known information... maybe even facts - R_P - Apr 16, 2024 - 3:29pm
 
songs that ROCK! - thisbody - Apr 16, 2024 - 10:56am
 
260,000 Posts in one thread? - oldviolin - Apr 16, 2024 - 10:10am
 
WTF??!! - rgio - Apr 16, 2024 - 5:23am
 
Australia has Disappeared - haresfur - Apr 16, 2024 - 4:58am
 
Earthquake - miamizsun - Apr 16, 2024 - 4:46am
 
It's the economy stupid. - miamizsun - Apr 16, 2024 - 4:28am
 
Republican Party - Isabeau - Apr 15, 2024 - 12:12pm
 
Vinyl Only Spin List - kurtster - Apr 14, 2024 - 11:59am
 
Eclectic Sound-Drops - thisbody - Apr 14, 2024 - 11:27am
 
Synchronization - ReggieDXB - Apr 13, 2024 - 11:40pm
 
Other Medical Stuff - geoff_morphini - Apr 13, 2024 - 7:54am
 
What Did You See Today? - Steely_D - Apr 13, 2024 - 6:42am
 
Photos you have taken of your walks or hikes. - KurtfromLaQuinta - Apr 12, 2024 - 3:50pm
 
Things You Thought Today - Red_Dragon - Apr 12, 2024 - 3:05pm
 
Poetry Forum - oldviolin - Apr 12, 2024 - 8:45am
 
Dear Bill - oldviolin - Apr 12, 2024 - 8:16am
 
Radio Paradise in Foobar2000 - gvajda - Apr 11, 2024 - 6:53pm
 
Mixtape Culture Club - ColdMiser - Apr 11, 2024 - 8:29am
 
Joe Biden - black321 - Apr 11, 2024 - 7:43am
 
New Song Submissions system - MayBaby - Apr 11, 2024 - 6:29am
 
No TuneIn Stream Lately - kurtster - Apr 10, 2024 - 6:26pm
 
Caching to Apple watch quit working - email-muri.0z - Apr 10, 2024 - 6:25pm
 
April 8th Partial Solar Eclipse - Alchemist - Apr 10, 2024 - 10:52am
 
Bug Reports & Feature Requests - orrinc - Apr 10, 2024 - 10:48am
 
NPR Listeners: Is There Liberal Bias In Its Reporting? - black321 - Apr 9, 2024 - 2:11pm
 
Sonos - rnstory - Apr 9, 2024 - 10:43am
 
RP Windows Desktop Notification Applet - gvajda - Apr 9, 2024 - 9:55am
 
If not RP, what are you listening to right now? - kurtster - Apr 8, 2024 - 10:34am
 
And the good news is.... - thisbody - Apr 8, 2024 - 3:57am
 
How do I get songs into My Favorites - Huey - Apr 7, 2024 - 11:29pm
 
Pernicious Pious Proclivities Particularized Prodigiously - R_P - Apr 7, 2024 - 5:14pm
 
Lyrics that strike a chord today... - Isabeau - Apr 7, 2024 - 12:50pm
 
Dialing 1-800-Manbird - oldviolin - Apr 7, 2024 - 11:18am
 
Why is Mellow mix192kbps? - dean2.athome - Apr 7, 2024 - 1:11am
 
Musky Mythology - haresfur - Apr 6, 2024 - 7:11pm
 
China - R_P - Apr 6, 2024 - 11:19am
 
Artificial Intelligence - R_P - Apr 5, 2024 - 12:45pm
 
Vega4 - Bullets - nirgivon - Apr 5, 2024 - 11:50am
 
Environment - thisbody - Apr 5, 2024 - 9:37am
 
How's the weather? - geoff_morphini - Apr 5, 2024 - 8:37am
 
Frequent drop outs (The Netherlands) - Babylon - Apr 5, 2024 - 8:37am
 
Index » Radio Paradise/General » General Discussion » As California Goes, So Goes The Rest Of The Country Page: Previous  1, 2, 3 ... 11, 12, 13
Post to this Topic
kurtster

kurtster Avatar

Location: where fear is not a virtue
Gender: Male


Posted: Jun 24, 2010 - 3:07pm

 dmax wrote:

OTOH, it's a normal extension of our interconnectedness on the internets that things like this will be monitored. It's ludicrous to imagine an electrical grid that could measure usage demands and not take advantage of that information. The public would insist that PG&E use all its resources to maintain the electrical supply to the customers. So, reasonably, PG&E would want/need to know where areas of demand are, where rising demand is, where it's possible to use tech to decrease the likelihood of brownout/failure - which we get infrequently during the summer, but right when we need the power the most, the hottest days.

It's easy to reframe this as Big Brother because it legitimately is a method of knowing more about consumer habits. But what nefarious purpose? There is certainly some inconvenience for those who choose (!) to allow their electrical use to be throttled in high-demand periods. But imagine being able to take a multi-storied building that's unoccupied and being able to remotely take its internal temperature down 5-10 degrees for the weekend? That's efficiency, not evil. 

 
I may be wrong, but there is no choice involved with participation as I understand it.  And the smart grid will overide your thermostat settings, if someone decides that your settings are inapropriate.

Here in Ohio, we are allowed to pick our power suppliers from a list, the electric company now just provides the connection.  With a smart grid taking over one's thermostat, it negates the opportunity for choosing wisely as if there is an unusual demand within an area, then all users regardless of suppliers could face thermostat restrictions, because the transmission grid itself cannot handle the load. 

If one chooses a company that has excess capacity and your neighbor has chosen one that cannot meet its demands, I do not see a distinction being made between the two residences, both get cut back.  The common carrier will not make the distinction between the two residences.  Your thermostat air conditioning settings can remotely be raised from say 75 degrees to say 80 degrees and there is nothing that can be done about it.  I find nothing good in that.

The smart grid can only be truly smart if it contains excess capacity accross the board.  I'm not talking about generation capabilities, I'm talking about transmission capabilities.  With excess transmission capabilities, then the grid can become smart.  If my power generator can meet its needs, and my neighbor's cannot, then I will have power and they will not.  Right now with woefully lacking transmission capabilities all this smart grid can do is shut everyone off all at once or restrict everyone at once.  There is no individualized approach, just the appearance of one.

And then there is the Big Brother thing.

Servo

Servo Avatar

Location: Down on the Farm
Gender: Male


Posted: Jun 23, 2010 - 4:27am

Last night I saw on WGN News that Commonwealth Edison (an Exelon company) is starting a pilot program in the Chicago area that allows users to monitor their own electrical usage in real time.

If we look at the Amish, Mennonites and other "technology freeze" communities, we can see with 20/20 hindsight that putting a freeze on (or rolling back) technology does nothing to fix the underlying problem.

(former member)

(former member) Avatar

Gender: Male


Posted: Jun 22, 2010 - 9:58pm

 kurtster wrote:
More intrusion by the Federal Government and BHO into our personal lives.

California quietly passes first statewide Smart Grid law

...
As is, California appears to be ahead of the Smart Grid game. Three of the nation's top five utilities most active in Smart Grid deployment are located in California: San Diego Gas & Electric, Pacific Gas & Electric and Edison International. PG&E alone has installed 3.7 million smart meters throughout its coverage area in Northern California alone. There has been some pushback from utility customers, concerned that the meters will up their electricity bills, but this response will probably not be unique to California as more states roll out advanced meters to the masses.
...
Public Hearing on California's 'Smart Grid' on Friday

Worried about plans for California's "smart grid"? We are too. Energy usage data, with new hyper-close monitoring provided by the "smart grid", allows intimate reconstruction of your household activities — like when you wake up, when you come home, and when you go on vacation.


 
OTOH, it's a normal extension of our interconnectedness on the internets that things like this will be monitored. It's ludicrous to imagine an electrical grid that could measure usage demands and not take advantage of that information. The public would insist that PG&E use all its resources to maintain the electrical supply to the customers. So, reasonably, PG&E would want/need to know where areas of demand are, where rising demand is, where it's possible to use tech to decrease the likelihood of brownout/failure - which we get infrequently during the summer, but right when we need the power the most, the hottest days.

It's easy to reframe this as Big Brother because it legitimately is a method of knowing more about consumer habits. But what nefarious purpose? There is certainly some inconvenience for those who choose (!) to allow their electrical use to be throttled in high-demand periods. But imagine being able to take a multi-storied building that's unoccupied and being able to remotely take its internal temperature down 5-10 degrees for the weekend? That's efficiency, not evil. 
Servo

Servo Avatar

Location: Down on the Farm
Gender: Male


Posted: Jun 22, 2010 - 9:50pm

 kurtster wrote:
More intrusion by the Federal Government and BHO into our personal lives.
 
I use Mozilla Firefox.  Problem solved.

{#Whisper}  Microsoft is in Washington, not California.


kurtster

kurtster Avatar

Location: where fear is not a virtue
Gender: Male


Posted: Jun 22, 2010 - 4:33am

More intrusion by the Federal Government and BHO into our personal lives.

California quietly passes first statewide Smart Grid law

...
As is, California appears to be ahead of the Smart Grid game. Three of the nation's top five utilities most active in Smart Grid deployment are located in California: San Diego Gas & Electric, Pacific Gas & Electric and Edison International. PG&E alone has installed 3.7 million smart meters throughout its coverage area in Northern California alone. There has been some pushback from utility customers, concerned that the meters will up their electricity bills, but this response will probably not be unique to California as more states roll out advanced meters to the masses.
...
Public Hearing on California's 'Smart Grid' on Friday

Worried about plans for California's "smart grid"? We are too. Energy usage data, with new hyper-close monitoring provided by the "smart grid", allows intimate reconstruction of your household activities — like when you wake up, when you come home, and when you go on vacation.



Servo

Servo Avatar

Location: Down on the Farm
Gender: Male


Posted: Aug 6, 2009 - 8:08pm

 Southern_Boy wrote:
At some point soon they are going to run out of someone else's money.
 
{#Yes}  Also, nut surprisingly for those of us who follow history, Gray Davis turns out to not be all that was wrong with California, and putting a Republican in the Governor's office is not a panacea for anything.

Keep on playing, boys and girls.  One day, for better or for worse, you'll realize that hollow talking points and perennially broken promises do not help the other 98%.  Not then, not now, not ever.


Servo

Servo Avatar

Location: Down on the Farm
Gender: Male


Posted: Aug 6, 2009 - 7:54pm



kurtster

kurtster Avatar

Location: where fear is not a virtue
Gender: Male


Posted: Aug 6, 2009 - 7:30pm

 

California Prisons Must Cut Inmate Population

By SOLOMON MOORE

New York Times

Published: August 4, 2009

LOS ANGELES - A panel of federal judges ordered the California prison system on Tuesday to reduce its inmate population of 150,000 by 40,000 - roughly 27 percent - within two years.

The judges said that reducing prison crowding in California was the only way to change what they called an unconstitutional prison health care system that causes one unnecessary death a week.

In a scathing 184-page order, the judges said state officials had failed to comply with previous orders to fix the prison health care system and reduce crowding.

The judges left it to state officials to come up with a specific plan within 45 days, saying there was "no need for the state to release presently incarcerated inmates indiscriminately in order to comply with our order." They recommended remedies including imprisoning fewer nonviolent criminals and reducing the number of technical parole violators.

The order is the largest state prison reduction ever imposed by a federal court over the objection of state officials, legal experts said.

It comes as the state has emerged from a long battle to close a $26 billion budget gap. The latest budget includes severe cuts to social welfare programs, schools and health care. The governor planned to slash spending by reducing the prison population by 27,000 inmates, but law enforcement and victims' rights groups stopped that.

Attorney General Jerry Brown said in a telephone interview Tuesday that he intended to appeal the ruling. "Eventually, we're going to have to go to the Supreme Court because I think the California prisons are spending about $14,000 per year per inmate," Mr. Brown said, adding that the changes the judges ordered would cost more money, which the state does not have.


MORE


jadewahoo

jadewahoo Avatar

Location: Puerto Viejo, Costa Rica
Gender: Male


Posted: Jul 5, 2009 - 10:10pm

 manbirdexperiment wrote:
I'd like to see a petition to recall the governor.

  Total Recall?


samiyam

samiyam Avatar

Location: Moving North


Posted: Jul 5, 2009 - 5:26pm

 kurtster wrote:
How about we get Pelosi out of Washington and put her in Sacto and make her Governor. 

I'm sure she would fix things up real good.  {#Yes}

 
I'm not a huge fan of Pelosi...  But then I'm not a huge fan of most politicians.

kurtster

kurtster Avatar

Location: where fear is not a virtue
Gender: Male


Posted: Jul 5, 2009 - 5:20pm

How about we get Pelosi out of Washington and put her in Sacto and make her Governor. 

I'm sure she would fix things up real good.  {#Yes}


samiyam

samiyam Avatar

Location: Moving North


Posted: Jul 5, 2009 - 5:13pm

 manbirdexperiment wrote:
I'd like to see a petition to recall the governor.

 
  Once more into the breach!

Manbird

Manbird Avatar

Location: ? ? ?
Gender: Male


Posted: Jul 5, 2009 - 5:01pm

I'd like to see a petition to recall the governor.
kurtster

kurtster Avatar

Location: where fear is not a virtue
Gender: Male


Posted: Jul 5, 2009 - 4:35pm

From ABC News' website:

Quotes Of The Day

July 03, 2009 11:34 AM


"I can't pay bills with IOUs. I can't pay salaries with IOUs." - Thomas Bent, medical director, Laguna Beach Community Clinic, telling the Los Angeles Times he expects to receive more than $10,000 in IOUs as payment for services.


Stay tuned ...

(former member)

(former member) Avatar

Gender: Male


Posted: Jun 18, 2009 - 10:20am

 winter wrote:

....

If people don't want a bunch of unfunded mandates from Washington, they should stop sending people who like issuing creating unfunded mandates to Washington. If you don't like Pelosi (or anyone else in the House), you get a chance to replace her every two years. In my opinion, Congressional re-election rates are high because most people don't care enough about their elected representatives. It's easy to care about the Presidency: just one guy to keep track of, and he gets a lot of press. Plus there's a whole year-long run-up to the election keeping it all at the front of your mind. But Congress is every bit as important - perhaps more so, since they control the purse strings.

 
Couldn't agree more.

With all the noise and discontent with Pelosi, one would expect that something would be done in 2010 to vote her out at the polls. Maybe things in California will be bad enough by then that voters will make the change. Let the people speak.



winter

winter Avatar

Location: in exile, as always
Gender: Male


Posted: Jun 18, 2009 - 9:59am

 kurtster wrote:
 

As California goes, so goes the country, eventually.  As a multi generational native Californian, I have heard it all my life.  While that in itself is no big deal anymore, everyone is from somewhere originally, and that's where me and the old lady are from.  Heck, our grandson is a Seventh Generation native.  So it is somewhat relevant to my point of view even today.  No disrespect to the other multi - generational California natives over the meaningful age of 40 something.  I don't claim to speak for you.  Anyone else who claims to be a first generation native under the age of 40 and calls it "Cali", you don't know what I'm talking about.

 

Here it is.  California is the crucible for President Obama's policies and also the spectre of unfunded mandates.  Arnold is taking the state to places no one has gone before.  When I was a kid, the state was the world's 5th largest economy, now it has slipped to 8th

California is broke with a $24 Billion deficit, which includes an unfunded and federally mandated safety net of social services for illegal immigrants that costs the state from $6 to $9 Billion annually.  Arnold went to see the president and asked for $7 or $8 Billion dollars, which is oddly enough the same amount of these unfunded mandates.  The President basically told Arnold to pound salt.  In 6 weeks, the state runs out of money, with Arnold promising a plethora of cuts in services to resident citizens as well as massive layoffs to government workers, turning prisoners loose (especially illegal immigrants to be turned over to federal authorities for deportation), all the while loudly promising to maintain services for the illegal immigrants as mandated by federal law.  The pie is only so big and some are being shoved away from the dinner table.  Funny how the ones being pushed away from the table paid for it.  I find this an excellent way to bring the issue of unfunded federal mandates and illegal immigrants to a head.  Arnold, a legal immigrant, is being so shrewd in this approach. 

The sanctuary cities can tax their own residents to maintain their status, and leave the rest of the California's citizens free of that burden.  Don't like it?, then move out.  There already has been precedent for illegals squatting and acquiring legal possession of a citizen's property.  So just leave peacefully, they can take your stuff and you can't do anything about it.  That OK with you, Nancy?  If you wanted Arnold to have the money to save your adopted (you carpet bagging east coast carpet bag) and my home state, why that should be a cinch, eh granny?  Move back to Baltimore and fix the problems you brought west with you.

Will Obama keep his promise and let California go to hell and bankrupt all in the same day, or will he cave in and bail out the state, in the fashion of AIG and Government Motors?  And if he does, will Arnold accept the strings attached in return for the money or will he tell the President to pound salt, California is too big to fail, we will do it Arnold's way ?

Pay attention folks, this is the future of our country.  Most of our states are on the verge of insolvency as well as California.  Some are talking about ceding from the Union.  States' rights are being destroyed.  Who is gonna blink in this game of chicken?  Arnold or Obama?  My money is on Arnold to come out on top in this opening round and get the money.

Look into the crystal ball of the future, which California is.  Like what you see ?  6 weeks and counting down.

OBTW:  I really don't hate Obama, he's just a transparent version of Bush.  Pelosi on the otherhand, if I saw her standing in front of a puddle at a bus stop, well, you can be sure that she would get soaked.

These are my opinions based upon observation.  You want facts, go find them yourself.  Just remember, it was once a fact that 99% of all heroin addicts started on mother's milk.  Just shows how relevant some facts can be.


 
Honestly, as much as I generally like Schwarzenegger this looks like grandstanding to me. He wants to make points about unfunded mandates and illegal immigration - fine. He has that right.

But as governor, his job is governing, not scoring political points. Enacting layoffs and releasing prisoners to prove a point is cutting off the taxpayers' noses to spite Congress' face. Yes, $9 billion is a big chunk of change. That still leaves $13 billion of the $24 billion defiicit. So even if that illegal immigrant issue went away, you'd still be massively in the hole. Might be worth looking at other causes for that, and other solutions. Might even be more worthwhile than making a bunch of noise and "taking a stand".

If people don't want a bunch of unfunded mandates from Washington, they should stop sending people who like issuing unfunded mandates to Washington. If you don't like Pelosi (or anyone else in the House), you get a chance to replace her every two years. In my opinion, Congressional re-election rates are high because most people don't care enough about their elected representatives. It's easy to care about the Presidency: just one guy to keep track of, and he gets a lot of press. Plus there's a whole year-long run-up to the election keeping it all at the front of your mind. But Congress is every bit as important - perhaps more so, since they control the purse strings.
kurtster

kurtster Avatar

Location: where fear is not a virtue
Gender: Male


Posted: Jun 18, 2009 - 9:53am

 Lazy8 wrote:

Sounds like first I need to establish my California bona fides. My father's father was an immigrant to the Central Valley at the age of three. He didn't graduate the eighth grade because they told him he had to have shoes to attend the ceremony, and he didn't. So he went to work. My father's mother was an Okie. Literally. Rode the family's truck out from Broken Bow when the family business (they were lumbermen) collapsed. They started a small deli with another immigrant family (immigrants from a different country, btw).

My mother's father took over the family olive grove at the age of 14 when his immigrant father died. My mother's mother had actually finished a two-year college—the first on either side of my family, and the first in her immigrant family to even learn to read.

My parents both went to college, as did all their siblings. I was born in Pasadena while my father earned his PhD. The family has prospered; my mother's father, late in life, bought himself a Cadillac so the people who had sneered at him as a dirty Dago in his youth could see him drive it.

So blaming all of California's problems on immigrants won't wash with me. There is just a little more to it than that.

I was born there but we moved away; I moved back to go to college and work but left when my kids were approaching school age. I didn't want to subject them to the crumbling, violence-wracked school system and couldn't afford private schools. I've been back many times to see family and for work, so I've seen how the place has changed. And I've watched the state government's fiscal problems with a mixture of sadness and disaproval: they are entirely self-inflicted.

California is addicted to the free lunch. Mountains of red tape and taxes making living there too expensive? Subsidize living there! Daycare! Public transit! Housing! We'll force insurance companies to insure your car, no matter how you drive! We'll forbid the power company to raise your electric bill, regardless what the power actually costs! Don't want to pay for it all? We'll cap your taxes! Something—anything—bad happened to you? We'll make sure you can sue whoever you need to to become wealthy enough to retire!

A lot of this came about not from pandering politicians but the initiative process. By which I should say that now anybody can be a pandering politician, elected or not. If the electorate wants it they can demand it, and demand that somebody else pay for it.

And they're running out of somebody elses. Businesses aren't flocking to California anymore—they can't pay the taxes and bear the regulatory burden unless their margins are extraordinarily high. So a few engineers and executives can have jobs at headquarters, but the real work gets done in Singapore. People like me flee for better opportunities and lower costs, leaving a few rich folks who can afford to shelter their assets and the teeming multitudes demanding more and more.

So the bill for all those free lunches is due and nobody is grabbing the check. In fact, nobody is even willing to stop ordering, blaming everyone else at the table. And until everybody is willing to pay their share and leave the table to fix their own lunch y'all will sit there screaming about how unfair it all is.

People like me have given up trying to solve these problems and left, driven away by the shortsightedness that dug the hole you're in. You're on your own. Good luck, California.

Because you are. I wish I could say that the reckoning California is facing will come to the rest of the country soon, but the nation as a whole can keep borrowing a bit longer, can print money when China won't loan us any more. That reckoning will have to wait, and we'll put it off until the wrenching process California is going thru actually looks better than the status quo.

Lead the way. We'll be along in ten years or so.


 
Your story is similar to the wife's, where her aunts and uncles picked fruit in the groves of Northern California and others worked for Holly Sugar.  Some of her family were Okies as well.  Difference being that both of our families have someone who got here before the Revolution.  GW is a muti timed great uncle of her's.

Illegals are not the cause of the problems, just symptomatic or symbolic for the unfunded mandate.  The illegals just took advantage of a situation.  I find little fault in them, I have a problem with the enablers.

As for 10 years, they said that when we were growing up.  I think its down to 10 months now.

Lazy8

Lazy8 Avatar

Location: The Gallatin Valley of Montana
Gender: Male


Posted: Jun 18, 2009 - 9:29am

 kurtster wrote:
 As California goes, so goes the country, eventually.  As a multi generational native Californian, I have heard it all my life.  While that in itself is no big deal anymore, everyone is from somewhere originally, and that's where me and the old lady are from.  Heck, our grandson is a Seventh Generation native.  So it is somewhat relevant to my point of view even today.  No disrespect to the other multi - generational California natives over the meaningful age of 40 something.  I don't claim to speak for you.  Anyone else who claims to be a first generation native under the age of 40 and calls it "Cali", you don't know what I'm talking about.

 

Here it is.  California is the crucible for President Obama's policies and also the spectre of unfunded mandates.  Arnold is taking the state to places no one has gone before.  When I was a kid, the state was the world's 5th largest economy, now it has slipped to 8th

California is broke with a $24 Billion deficit, which includes an unfunded and federally mandated safety net of social services for illegal immigrants that costs the state from $6 to $9 Billion annually.  Arnold went to see the president and asked for $7 or $8 Billion dollars, which is oddly enough the same amount of these unfunded mandates.  The President basically told Arnold to pound salt.  In 6 weeks, the state runs out of money, with Arnold promising a plethora of cuts in services to resident citizens as well as massive layoffs to government workers, turning prisoners loose (especially illegal immigrants to be turned over to federal authorities for deportation), all the while loudly promising to maintain services for the illegal immigrants as mandated by federal law.  The pie is only so big and some are being shoved away from the dinner table.  Funny how the ones being pushed away from the table paid for it.  I find this an excellent way to bring the issue of unfunded federal mandates and illegal immigrants to a head.  Arnold, a legal immigrant, is being so shrewd in this approach. 

The sanctuary cities can tax their own residents to maintain their status, and leave the rest of the California's citizens free of that burden.  Don't like it?, then move out.  There already has been precedent for illegals squatting and acquiring legal possession of a citizen's property.  So just leave peacefully, they can take your stuff and you can't do anything about it.  That OK with you, Nancy?  If you wanted Arnold to have the money to save your adopted (you carpet bagging east coast carpet bag) and my home state, why that should be a cinch, eh granny?  Move back to Baltimore and fix the problems you brought west with you.

Will Obama keep his promise and let California go to hell and bankrupt all in the same day, or will he cave in and bail out the state, in the fashion of AIG and Government Motors?  And if he does, will Arnold accept the strings attached in return for the money or will he tell the President to pound salt, California is too big to fail, we will do it Arnold's way ?

Pay attention folks, this is the future of our country.  Most of our states are on the verge of insolvency as well as California.  Some are talking about ceding from the Union.  States' rights are being destroyed.  Who is gonna blink in this game of chicken?  Arnold or Obama?  My money is on Arnold to come out on top in this opening round and get the money.

Look into the crystal ball of the future, which California is.  Like what you see ?  6 weeks and counting down.

OBTW:  I really don't hate Obama, he's just a transparent version of Bush.  Pelosi on the otherhand, if I saw her standing in front of a puddle at a bus stop, well, you can be sure that she would get soaked.

These are my opinions based upon observation.  You want facts, go find them yourself.  Just remember, it was once a fact that 99% of all heroin addicts started on mother's milk.  Just shows how relevant some facts can be.

 
Sounds like first I need to establish my California bona fides. My father's father was an immigrant to the Central Valley at the age of three. He didn't graduate the eighth grade because they told him he had to have shoes to attend the ceremony, and he didn't. So he went to work. My father's mother was an Okie. Literally. Rode the family's truck out from Broken Bow when the family business (they were lumbermen) collapsed. They started a small deli with another immigrant family (immigrants from a different country, btw).

My mother's father took over the family olive grove at the age of 14 when his immigrant father died. My mother's mother had actually finished a two-year college—the first on either side of my family, and the first in her immigrant family to even learn to read.

My parents both went to college, as did all their siblings. I was born in Pasadena while my father earned his PhD. The family has prospered; my mother's father, late in life, bought himself a Cadillac so the people who had sneered at him as a dirty Dago in his youth could see him drive it.

So blaming all of California's problems on immigrants won't wash with me. There is just a little more to it than that.

I was born there but we moved away; I moved back to go to college and work but left when my kids were approaching school age. I didn't want to subject them to the crumbling, violence-wracked school system and couldn't afford private schools. I've been back many times to see family and for work, so I've seen how the place has changed. And I've watched the state government's fiscal problems with a mixture of sadness and disaproval: they are entirely self-inflicted.

California is addicted to the free lunch. Mountains of red tape and taxes making living there too expensive? Subsidize living there! Daycare! Public transit! Housing! We'll force insurance companies to insure your car, no matter how you drive! We'll forbid the power company to raise your electric bill, regardless what the power actually costs! Don't want to pay for it all? We'll cap your taxes! Something—anything—bad happened to you? We'll make sure you can sue whoever you need to to become wealthy enough to retire!

A lot of this came about not from pandering politicians but the initiative process. By which I should say that now anybody can be a pandering politician, elected or not. If the electorate wants it they can demand it, and demand that somebody else pay for it.

And they're running out of somebody elses. Businesses aren't flocking to California anymore—they can't pay the taxes and bear the regulatory burden unless their margins are extraordinarily high. So a few engineers and executives can have jobs at headquarters, but the real work gets done in Singapore. People like me flee for better opportunities and lower costs, leaving a few rich folks who can afford to shelter their assets and the teeming multitudes demanding more and more.

So the bill for all those free lunches is due and nobody is grabbing the check. In fact, nobody is even willing to stop ordering, blaming everyone else at the table. And until everybody is willing to pay their share and leave the table to fix their own lunch y'all will sit there screaming about how unfair it all is.

People like me have given up trying to solve these problems and left, driven away by the shortsightedness that dug the hole you're in. You're on your own. Good luck, California.

Because you are. I wish I could say that the reckoning California is facing will come to the rest of the country soon, but the nation as a whole can keep borrowing a bit longer, can print money when China won't loan us any more. That reckoning will have to wait, and we'll put it off until the wrenching process California is going thru actually looks better than the status quo.

Lead the way. We'll be along in ten years or so.

NoEnzLefttoSplit

NoEnzLefttoSplit Avatar

Gender: Male


Posted: Jun 18, 2009 - 7:38am



very good for filling gaps.
Southern_Boy

Southern_Boy Avatar

Location: On my way to the beach
Gender: Male


Posted: Jun 18, 2009 - 7:34am

At some point soon they are going to run out of someone else's money.
Page: Previous  1, 2, 3 ... 11, 12, 13