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Posted: Sep 18, 2021 - 4:38pm

 haresfur wrote:
 kurtster wrote:

Well, you can simply take a flying leap at yourself.

It was you who dug up an 8 year old post to call me out on, out of the blue.

Why now and not then ?

I took you seriously and responded in a straight forward manner which is documented below.

I clearly explained my position then and now and you kept on insisting on redirecting what mattered to me and the reason for the initial post to what mattered to you.


Over and over.

And now this.  Who is the fucking troll here ?

If you wanted my undies in a bunch, you sure tried real hard to do it.  For your own personal amusement.

Bite me.

1) Didn't see it then or maybe just rolled my eyes. Now I decided it was worth a comment

2) Well my understanding of your issue with the ruling is that he shouldn't have been licensed to practice law because he was an immigrant from Mexico had not yet been issued a green card, even though he would get one if the government wasn't delaying and even though he had met all the other requirements. But that wasn't explicit in any of your posts. So if that's the case, my position is that the ruling was common sense, because why should his life be screwed up by government machinations? Yours appears to be it was ok that his life was screwed up because he's an immigrant. Did I get that right?

So to go back to what you said in response to my post

said it would use the case to determine whether illegal immigrants are eligible to become lawyers
The second bolded is what matters, not Mr Garcia's individual legal status that is still apparently in limbo after all of these years. Doesn't say much about his skills as a attorney, does it ? That aside, it still comes down to the bottom line. It is the actual headline that matters. Mr Garcia is just a player, the shiny object that distracts people from what matters most. Worked with you.

I repeatedly tried to get out of you why that headline matters (most) and why the consequences to someone's actual life don't matter to you. 

Your repeatedly taking offense at my responding to an old post is deflection, nothing more.


So what you really should say is that as California goes to Hell so does the rest of the country. For the record I live in the northeast US. Unlike most of you left wing blood suckers I work for a living and just got back in town after being on the road for 2 weeks on business. Never been to Australia but I do travel to all 50 states, Canada, & Mexico. I have lived in Athens Greece for couple years as well. I occasionally check out this forum for laughs and this post seemed like a good one. Hey liberals, get out of your back yard, get a job, and go somewhere else and see how the rest of the world  lives. And I don't mean on vacation. In most of the world you go to jail if you are in country illegally. You cannot work in other countries, such as Canada, if you are not a citizen. You cannot get welfare or any type of government aid in any other country if you are not a citizen. So why should anyone in the US, if they are a criminal, and being an illegal alien is criminal, be allowed to practice law. They ARE illegal themselves. Go chew on that all you liberal left wing socialist Marxists! BTW... is that a picture of a dead chicken?

 

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Posted: Sep 17, 2021 - 1:20am

 kurtster wrote:

Well, you can simply take a flying leap at yourself.

It was you who dug up an 8 year old post to call me out on, out of the blue.

Why now and not then ?

I took you seriously and responded in a straight forward manner which is documented below.

I clearly explained my position then and now and you kept on insisting on redirecting what mattered to me and the reason for the initial post to what mattered to you.


Over and over.

And now this.  Who is the fucking troll here ?

If you wanted my undies in a bunch, you sure tried real hard to do it.  For your own personal amusement.

Bite me.

1) Didn't see it then or maybe just rolled my eyes. Now I decided it was worth a comment

2) Well my understanding of your issue with the ruling is that he shouldn't have been licensed to practice law because he was an immigrant from Mexico had not yet been issued a green card, even though he would get one if the government wasn't delaying and even though he had met all the other requirements. But that wasn't explicit in any of your posts. So if that's the case, my position is that the ruling was common sense, because why should his life be screwed up by government machinations? Yours appears to be it was ok that his life was screwed up because he's an immigrant. Did I get that right?

So to go back to what you said in response to my post

said it would use the case to determine whether illegal immigrants are eligible to become lawyers
The second bolded is what matters, not Mr Garcia's individual legal status that is still apparently in limbo after all of these years. Doesn't say much about his skills as a attorney, does it ? That aside, it still comes down to the bottom line. It is the actual headline that matters. Mr Garcia is just a player, the shiny object that distracts people from what matters most. Worked with you.

I repeatedly tried to get out of you why that headline matters (most) and why the consequences to someone's actual life don't matter to you. 

Your repeatedly taking offense at my responding to an old post is deflection, nothing more.






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Posted: Sep 16, 2021 - 9:55pm

 haresfur wrote:

 
Eta: I don't usually fall for kurt's deflecting from the issues by making unrelated personal attacks but this one seemed like too much fun
 
Well, you can simply take a flying leap at yourself.

It was you who dug up an 8 year old post to call me out on, out of the blue.

Why now and not then ?

I took you seriously and responded in a straight forward manner which is documented below.

I clearly explained my position then and now and you kept on insisting on redirecting what mattered to me and the reason for the initial post to what mattered to you.

Over and over.

And now this.  Who is the fucking troll here ?

If you wanted my undies in a bunch, you sure tried real hard to do it.  For your own personal amusement.

Bite me.
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Posted: Sep 16, 2021 - 5:02pm

 KurtfromLaQuinta wrote:
Could we harness the energy?



Wind power! Now I’ve got Dolby’s song in my head.

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Posted: Sep 16, 2021 - 1:37pm

 KurtfromLaQuinta wrote:
Could we harness the energy?





 

Eta: I don't usually fall for kurt's deflecting from the issues by making unrelated personal attacks but this one seemed like too much fun
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Posted: Sep 16, 2021 - 12:45pm

 KurtfromLaQuinta wrote:
Could we harness the energy?



Green  ...... check  

Sustainable ......  check.  

Cost effective ...... does it matter?

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Posted: Sep 16, 2021 - 12:07pm

 Steely_D wrote:

Get a room, you two.

Could we harness the energy?


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Posted: Sep 16, 2021 - 3:33am

Get a room, you two.
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Posted: Sep 16, 2021 - 2:11am

 kurtster wrote:

No indication of snark or humor on your part at the time.

No problem with the bar exam, it is the license. 

How can someone be so blatantly obtuse and expect to be taken seriously ?

Asking for a friend ...

and how can someone from Australia be so interested in how someone got their law license in another country half a world away ?


Speaking of obtuse, you still haven't told us why you are so bothered that he got his license.

Who knows? Maybe I'll need a good immigration lawyer sometime. #snark, since you seem oblivious
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Posted: Sep 15, 2021 - 9:44pm

 haresfur wrote:
 kurtster wrote:

  

And what kind of a professional license do you hold or have had ?


The boy doesn't recognise #snark when he sees it. You were the one who claimed I was living under martial law which is blatantly false.
Don't want to dox myself with all the assholes around here but through some odd circumstances I did hold one but let it lapse.

What part of being a licensed optician makes you qualified to bitch about a person in California passing the bar?
 
No indication of snark or humor on your part at the time.

No problem with the bar exam, it is the license. 

How can someone be so blatantly obtuse and expect to be taken seriously ?

Asking for a friend ...

and how can someone from Australia be so interested in how someone got their law license in another country half a world away ?
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Posted: Sep 15, 2021 - 3:28pm

 kurtster wrote:

  

And what kind of a professional license do you hold or have had ?


The boy doesn't recognise #snark when he sees it. You were the one who claimed I was living under martial law which is blatantly false.
Don't want to dox myself with all the assholes around here but through some odd circumstances I did hold one but let it lapse.
What part of being a licensed optician makes you qualified to bitch about a person in California passing the bar?
haresfur

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Posted: Sep 15, 2021 - 3:28pm

 kurtster wrote:

  

And what kind of a professional license do you hold or have had ?


The boy doesn't recognise #snark when he sees it. You were the one who claimed I was living under martial law which is blatantly false.
Don't want to dox myself with all the assholes around here but through some odd circumstances I did hold one but let it lapse.
What part of being a licensed optician makes you qualified to bitch about a person in California passing the bar?
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Posted: Sep 15, 2021 - 9:49am

 haresfur wrote:
 kurtster wrote:

You clearly do not understand what it means to hold a professional license and the restrictions, responsibilities and obligations that come with them in this country.  I do as I hold a state issued professional medical license.

Then again, you have endorsed martial law as a great thing.


You need to reference where I have endorsed martial law as a great thing. Because you are just throwing bullshit. And for that matter bullshit that isn't even relevant to the discussion.

I do understand what it means to hold a professional license and see no downside to issuing one to a person who's green card is held up be bureaucracy. How does that make him a less responsible person?

 
 haresfur wrote:
 kurtster wrote:

Enjoy your life under martial law.

Immensely.

 

And what kind of a professional license do you hold or have had ?
haresfur

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Posted: Sep 15, 2021 - 9:45am

 kurtster wrote:

You clearly do not understand what it means to hold a professional license and the restrictions, responsibilities and obligations that come with them in this country.  I do as I hold a state issued professional medical license.

Then again, you have endorsed martial law as a great thing.


You need to reference where I have endorsed martial law as a great thing. Because you are just throwing bullshit. And for that matter bullshit that isn't even relevant to the discussion.

I do understand what it means to hold a professional license and see no downside to issuing one to a person who's green card is held up be bureaucracy. How does that make him a less responsible person?

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Posted: Sep 15, 2021 - 9:24am

 haresfur wrote:


Funny, I thought it was the court's job to interpret the law and they decided that issuing his license was legal. That's their job or don't you believe in the three branches of your government? And, as you pointed out, the decision was years ago. Any appeals?

I see no overall negative implications. You still haven't shown any problem with the decision.
 
You clearly do not understand what it means to hold a professional license and the restrictions, responsibilities and obligations that come with them in this country.  I do as I hold a state issued professional medical license.

Then again, you have endorsed martial law as a great thing.
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Posted: Sep 15, 2021 - 9:08am

 kurtster wrote:

You are the one doing all of the twisting.

I thought that I clearly summarized that it was not about Mr Garcia, that it was the headline itself.  About how illegal immigrants are now getting professional licenses in California in spite of state and federal laws prohibiting it.  Especially ironic since it is a law license, yet not surprising since it is in California which has officially enacted policies to ignore and disregard federal immigration laws.

You only to want to fixate on Mr Garcia's individual plight and totally ignore the overall implications of the case matter itself which is the basis for my comment.  My comment has nothing to do with Mr Garcia as an individual.  As I said, Mr Garcia is only the shiny object which has you so transfixed that you cannot see the broader implications of this case.  


Funny, I thought it was the court's job to interpret the law and they decided that issuing his license was legal. That's their job or don't you believe in the three branches of your government? And, as you pointed out, the decision was years ago. Any appeals?

I see no overall negative implications. You still haven't shown any problem with the decision.
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Posted: Sep 15, 2021 - 8:53am

 haresfur wrote:
 kurtster wrote:

And I cannot figure out why you brought this up again after 8 years of sitting. 

Evidently only to try and call me disingenuous regarding my support for legal immigration.


Read it thought the case was comment worthy.

Calling you disingenuous in how you will twist your reasoning around so what is basically a case of a poor sob who studied hard to make good, got approved for his green card but got caught up in a bureaucratic nightmare is somehow and indication of how, "The game is over. We are fucked."
 
You are the one doing all of the twisting.

I thought that I clearly summarized that it was not about Mr Garcia, that it was the headline itself.  About how illegal immigrants are now getting professional licenses in California in spite of state and federal laws prohibiting it.  Especially ironic since it is a law license, yet not surprising since it is in California which has officially enacted policies to ignore and disregard federal immigration laws.

You only to want to fixate on Mr Garcia's individual plight and totally ignore the overall implications of the case matter itself which is the basis for my comment.  My comment has nothing to do with Mr Garcia as an individual.  As I said, Mr Garcia is only the shiny object which has you so transfixed that you cannot see the broader implications of this case.  
haresfur

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Posted: Sep 15, 2021 - 8:27am

 kurtster wrote:

And I cannot figure out why you brought this up again after 8 years of sitting. 

Evidently only to try and call me disingenuous regarding my support for legal immigration.


Read it thought the case was comment worthy.

Calling you disingenuous in how you will twist your reasoning around so what is basically a case of a poor sob who studied hard to make good, got approved for his green card but got caught up in a bureaucratic nightmare is somehow and indication of how, "The game is over. We are fucked."


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Posted: Sep 15, 2021 - 7:18am

 haresfur wrote:


I truly can't understand what point you are trying to make. I don't give a flying f if the opinion filed by DOJ under Obama or any other administration. It is only an opinion and the Court apparently rejected it (no I haven't read the ruling). I do give a fuck that people's lives are being screwed up by these games and the slow pace of the system, so I think we are in agreement there. It is hard to tell. I know people who got their green cards in much less than 10 years, so yeah, wtf? But in any case the court has made a determination so what were you bitching about in your original post? Or this one for that matter.

Like I said I can't figure out what your point is. 
 
And I cannot figure out why you brought this up again after 8 years of sitting. 

Evidently only to try and call me disingenuous regarding my support for legal immigration.
haresfur

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Posted: Sep 15, 2021 - 3:36am

 kurtster wrote:

Well since you went and dug up a post that is nearly 8 years old with a citation that was barely 24 hours old. Let us review, shall we ?

Absolutely, I approve of legal immigration. Always have and continue. Never said otherwise.

First, I'll give you a quote from Mr. Garcia, since then.

On March 28, 2015, Garcia was the guest speaker at the Tehama County Democratic Dinner, where he told attendees, "I would not be here without the many good Democrats of California, and they are my family."

and from another source,this

Illegal immigrants are ineligible to practice law in California, President Obama’s Justice Department told the state’s high court in a rebuff to a man who was brought to the United States as a toddler and worked his way through college and law school.

Federal law bars the state from issuing an attorney’s license to Sergio C. Garcia and would also prohibit him from working as a lawyer, the Justice Department said in a filing Wednesday with the court, which had requested its opinion.

The 1996 law, which denies “public benefits” to illegal immigrants, was drafted to “preclude undocumented aliens from receiving commercial and professional licenses issued by states and the federal government,” Justice Department lawyers told the court.

Garcia, who lives in Chico, was brought to California by his parents at age 2, returned to Mexico with them at 9 and came back with them at 17.

His father, now a U.S. citizen, sponsored Garcia’s application for legal status and a green card in 1994.

The government has found him eligible but put him on a waiting list for final approval, which could take at least another decade.

Garcia graduated from Cal Northern School of Law in Chico and passed the bar exam on his first try in 2009. But the state Supreme Court, which licenses attorneys in California, put his application on hold in May and

said it would use the case to determine whether illegal immigrants are eligible to become lawyers.

The system is what it is and does suck. And that is more the result of bureaucratic and political gaming. This is and always has been our Congress' job to fix. Which it refuses to do. It also has been less that 10 years since this statement about waiting at least a decade was made.

The second bolded is what matters, not Mr Garcia's individual legal status that is still apparently in limbo after all of these years. Doesn't say much about his skills as a attorney, does it ? That aside, it still comes down to the bottom line. It is the actual headline that matters. Mr Garcia is just a player, the shiny object that distracts people from what matters most. Worked with you.



I truly can't understand what point you are trying to make. I don't give a flying f if the opinion filed by DOJ under Obama or any other administration. It is only an opinion and the Court apparently rejected it (no I haven't read the ruling). I do give a fuck that people's lives are being screwed up by these games and the slow pace of the system, so I think we are in agreement there. It is hard to tell. I know people who got their green cards in much less than 10 years, so yeah, wtf? But in any case the court has made a determination so what were you bitching about in your original post? Or this one for that matter. Like I said I can't figure out what your point is. 


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