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Posted: Aug 27, 2012 - 7:13pm

 buddy wrote:

Those things aren't rights granted to our citizens the 15th Amendment to The Constitution and the Voting Rights Act of 1965.  They are not anything near equivalent.  You know this, I know you can do better than that, all due respect.

And you can certainly get a job and buy booze & cigarettes without ID.  You used to be able to board a plane before 9/11.

These laws are at issue because the GOP has a stated agenda of getting Obama out of office however they can, including passing bullshit laws that are clearly aimed at suppressing the vote of the old, young, and minorities. It couldn't be more blatant and I can't pretend otherwise.

 
While you may be able to buy booze and cigs without ID once you look a certain age, getting a job other than day labor on the other hand without proper ID or phony proper ID is next to nearly impossible.

As far back as the 80's I had to properly document friends in order to hire them for simple work.  They had to produce two forms of government issued ID in order to be properly documented for hiring purposes.

Everyone should have a proper ID.  They are simple to obtain and cost little to no money in many states.  The same people who provide rides to polling places can certainly do the same for getting the same people proper ID's.

If one is going to participate in government functions and services, then they should have proper government ID, across the board.  I see nothing partisan in that thought.  What I do see as partisan is objecting to something that applies evenly to everyone.  This is not a poll tax.  Its not a polling test.  Its just a simple formality.  To call it voter suppression is something I just don't understand.
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Posted: Aug 27, 2012 - 7:10pm

 Beaker wrote:

 A preview of Obama's 2012 re-election strategy has long been known:

“If you don’t have a record to run on, then you paint your opponent as someone people should run from. You make a big election about small things.” — Barack Obama, August 2008, Democratic nomination acceptance speech.

http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2012/08/27/so-far-the-battle-on-issues-favors-the-gop-ticket-poll-shows/


 
Ah, another county heard from before I could even finish baiting the hook!  {#Wink}

The President is running on his record.  And he's illuminating the reasons why his opponent is wrong for the country. Politics ain't bean bags, baby.  And are you insinuating that Romney is running on his own record instead of mercilessly bashing The President.  Just saying "he sucks, I'll get it right" ain't cuttin' it. Where's the beef?

Meanwhile, this partial list ought to keep you busy for awhile. You can debate the policies but he did actually do things....all with the most intense opposition politics in history from day 1...and he's not running from any of it.  Highlighted a few of my personal favs.....

President Obama’s Accomplishments

3 Chics Politico gives mad props to President Obama on his accomplishments since being in office. It’s pretty impressive!

1. Ordered all federal agencies to undertake a study and make recommendations for ways to cut spending
2. Ordered a review of all federal operations to identify and cut wasteful spending and practices
3. Instituted enforcement for equal pay for women
4. Beginning the withdrawal of US troops from Iraq
5. Families of fallen soldiers have expenses covered to be on hand when the body arrives at Dover AFB
6 Ended media blackout on war casualties; reporting full information
7. Ended media blackout on covering the return of fallen soldiers to Dover AFB; the media is now permitted to do so pending adherence to respectful rules and approval of fallen soldier’s family
8. The White House and federal government are respecting the Freedom of Information Act
9. Instructed all federal agencies to promote openness and transparency as much as possible
10. Limits on lobbyist’s access to the White House
11. Limits on White House aides working for lobbyists after their tenure in the administration
12. Ended the previous stop-loss policy that kept soldiers in Iraq/Afghanistan longer than their enlistment date
13. Phasing out the expensive F-22 war plane and other outdated weapons systems, which weren’t even used or needed in Iraq/Afghanistan
14. Removed restrictions on embryonic stem-cell research
15. Federal support for stem-cell and new biomedical research
16. New federal funding for science and research labs
17. States are permitted to enact federal fuel efficiency standards above federal standards
18. Increased infrastructure spending (roads, bridges, power plants) after years of neglect
19. Funds for high-speed, broadband Internet access to K-12 schools
20. New funds for school construction
21 The prison at Guantanamo Bay is being phased out
22. US Auto industry rescue plan
23. Housing rescue plan
24. $789 billion economic stimulus plan
25. The public can meet with federal housing insurers to refinance (the new plan can be completed in one day) a mortgage if they are having trouble paying
26. US financial and banking rescue plan
27. The secret detention facilities in Eastern Europe and elsewhere are being closed
28. Ended the previous policy; the US now has a no torture policy and is in compliance with the Geneva Convention standards
29. Better body armor is now being provided to our troops
30. The missile defense program is being cut by $1.4 billion in 2010
31. Restarted the nuclear nonproliferation talks and building back up the nuclear inspection infrastructure/protocols
32. Reengaged in the treaties/agreements to protect the Antarctic
33. Reengaged in the agreements/talks on global warming and greenhouse gas emissions
34. Visited more countries and met with more world leaders than any president in his first six months in office
35. Successful release of US captain held by Somali pirates; authorized the SEALS to do their job
36. US Navy increasing patrols off Somali coast
37. Attractive tax write-offs for those who buy hybrid automobiles
38. Cash for clunkers program offers vouchers to trade in fuel inefficient, polluting old cars for new cars; stimulated auto sales
39. Announced plans to purchase fuel efficient American-made fleet for the federal government
40. Expanded the SCHIP program to cover health care for 4 million more children
41. Signed national service legislation; expanded national youth service program
42. Instituted a new policy on Cuba, allowing Cuban families to return home to visit loved ones
43. Ended the previous policy of not regulating and labeling carbon dioxide emissions
44. Expanding vaccination programs
45. Immediate and efficient response to the floods in North Dakota and other natural disasters
46. Closed offshore tax safe havens
47. Negotiated deal with Swiss banks to permit US government to gain access to records of tax evaders and criminals
48. Ended the previous policy of offering tax benefits to corporations who outsource American jobs; the new policy is to promote in-sourcing to bring jobs back
49.. Ended the previous practice of protecting credit card companies; in place of it are new consumer protections from credit card industry’s predatory practices
50. Energy producing plants must begin preparing to produce 15% of their energy from renewable sources
51. Lower drug costs for seniors
52. Ended the previous practice of forbidding Medicare from negotiating with drug manufacturers for cheaper drugs; the federal government is now realizing hundreds of millions in savings
53. Increasing pay and benefits for military personnel
54. Improved housing for military personnel
55. Initiating a new policy to promote federal hiring of military spouses
56. Improved conditions at Walter Reed Military Hospital and other military hospitals
57 Increasing student loans
58. Increasing opportunities in AmeriCorps program
59. Sent envoys to Middle East and other parts of the world that had been neglected for years; reengaging in multilateral and bilateral talks and diplomacy
60. Established a new cyber security office
61. Beginning the process of reforming and restructuring the military 20 years after the Cold War to a more modern fighting force; this includes new procurement policies, increasing size of military, new technology and cyber units and operations, etc.
62. Ended previous policy of awarding no-bid defense contracts
63. Ordered a review of hurricane and natural disaster preparedness
64. Established a National Performance Officer charged with saving the federal government money and making federal operations more efficient
65. Students struggling to make college loan payments can have their loans refinanced
66. Improving benefits for veterans
67. Many more press conferences and town halls and much more media access than previous administration
68. Instituted a new focus on mortgage fraud
69. The FDA is now regulating tobacco
70. Ended previous policy of cutting the FDA and circumventing FDA rules
71. Ended previous practice of having White House aides rewrite scientific and environmental rules, regulations, and reports
72. Authorized discussions with North Korea and private mission by Pres. Bill Clinton to secure the release of two Americans held in prisons
73. Authorized discussions with Myanmar and mission by Sen. Jim Web to secure the release of an American held captive
74. Making more loans available to small businesses
75. Established independent commission to make recommendations on slowing the costs of Medicare
76. Appointment of first Latina to the Supreme Court
77. Authorized construction/opening of additional health centers to care for veterans
78. Limited salaries of senior White House aides; cut to $100,000
79. Renewed loan guarantees for Israel
80. Changed the failing/status quo military command in Afghanistan
81. Deployed additional troops to Afghanistan
82. New Afghan War policy that limits aerial bombing and prioritizes aid, development of infrastructure, diplomacy, and good government practices by Afghans
83. Announced the long-term development of a national energy grid with renewable sources and cleaner, efficient energy production
84. Returned money authorized for refurbishment of White House offices and private living quarters
85. Paid for redecoration of White House living quarters out of his own pocket
86. Held first Seder in White House
87. Attempting to reform the nation’s healthcare system which is the most expensive in the world yet leaves almost 50 million without health insurance and millions more under insured
88. Has put the ball in play for comprehensive immigration reform
89. Has announced his intention to push for energy reform
90. Has announced his intention to push for education reform

Oh, and he built a swing set for the girls outside the Oval Office.  And a half-court basketball court.

I'd love it if you could produce even half this number of accomplishments from his opponents, in business and government, before you go for the obvious.

Nice to see you again, my friend!   {#Bananajam}
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Posted: Aug 27, 2012 - 6:42pm

 kurtster wrote:

If that's what its all about, then I'll just respectfully disagree.

I see no reason to object to having the same ID necessary to get a job, board an airplane or buy booze and cigarettes for voting.

 
Those things aren't rights granted to our citizens the 15th Amendment to The Constitution and the Voting Rights Act of 1965.  They are not anything near equivalent.  You know this, I know you can do better than that, all due respect.

And you can certainly get a job and buy booze & cigarettes without ID.  You used to be able to board a plane before 9/11.

These laws are at issue because the GOP has a stated agenda of getting Obama out of office however they can, including passing bullshit laws that are clearly aimed at suppressing the vote of the old, young, and minorities. It couldn't be more blatant and I can't pretend otherwise.
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Posted: Aug 27, 2012 - 6:28pm

 buddy wrote:

The Republican-controlled state governments that have been busily passing new and totally unnecessary & bogus voter suppression ID laws just in time for the election.

 
If that's what its all about, then I'll just respectfully disagree.

I see no reason to object to having the same ID necessary to get a job, board an airplane or buy booze and cigarettes for voting.

Oh and there are always elections.  These laws you refer to have been in the works for many months and in some cases, years.  The right before election time is not a valid claim, IMO.
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Posted: Aug 27, 2012 - 6:04pm

 kurtster wrote:

Do tell.

Who is ?

 
The Republican-controlled state governments that have been busily passing new and totally unnecessary & bogus voter suppression ID laws just in time for the election.
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Posted: Aug 27, 2012 - 2:48pm

 ScottN wrote:

Perhaps, but who is using then now?

 
Do tell.

Who is ?
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Posted: Aug 27, 2012 - 2:38pm

 kurtster wrote:



 
Perhaps, but who is using then now?
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Posted: Aug 27, 2012 - 2:24pm


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Posted: Jul 16, 2011 - 8:24pm

 romeotuma wrote:

And that cartoon, especially the deficit reference, seems as relevant as ever...

 

 

I just went back to the oldest, and in the few pages here, there is a time capsule full of stuff ... 
kurtster

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Posted: Jul 16, 2011 - 8:20pm

 romeotuma wrote:

Hard to believe that two years have gone by so fast...  time flies when we're having fun, eh?

 

 

{#Yes}
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Posted: Feb 23, 2011 - 1:18pm

 islander wrote:

This could get really long.

First let me say that I do generally consider myself to be fairly conservative fiscally, so I have no representation in the .gov on that front.  Socially I'm really liberal, so I think the dems have a few decent ideas, but no stomach for what really should be said and no sense at all when it comes to paying for social programs (I support quite a few of those, from public education to public health care). Frankly I think the dems main failing is a failure to really embrace the progressive side of their party.  No we can't have welfare for all and unlimited arts and social programs. But we can have single payer health care, we can have gay marriage, we can have a solid public commons that supports and grows the underprivileged in our society, and keeps all but the absolute laziest from living under the bridges (and my conservative side could fix that problem too).

The dems haven't done enough on entitlement programs. They haven't done enough on taxation. They haven't made their case that they have a good set of ideas, and been willing to stand behind them even if it means not being re-elected.  This is good for me, because I doubt I would like a lot of the social stuff they would put forward. 

So to that point - the fact that re-election numbers are so high is our fault. We keep electing these bozos and then complaining about them for then next cycle. But then we re-elect them. What a bunch of dolts we are. Sure, money, gerrymandering, misleading ads.... whatever, we punch the ballot, it's our fault. As an electorate we are failing. We can't even mobilize half of us to show up. Bad on us.

I'm all out of order here, but I'm not going to fix it.  Vicitmhood. Yes, that's you. Go back and look at your previous post. It's all wah, wah, wah, Democrats, wah, wah, wah, won't let us play, wah, wah, wah, not our fault...... Sheesh. Put your fucking pants on, wipe off the tears, take credit and blame where appropriate, and get back in there with me and let's try to get 79% of the people to vote so we can toss out some of these idiots.  Sorry if that was a bit harsh, but that post was a whiny, bitchy tirade.

Wisconsin, Indiana and Ohio need to all get their shit together. The right needs to stop being so vindictive and the left needs to stop being so entitled. They need to sit down and work out a compromise. This means that neither side gets what they want, but they figure out a way to make it work. The electorate of all three deserve what they get if the officials can't get their crap together soon. Lather, rinse, repeat for the entire nation if we have a .gov shutdown in March.   

That's enough for now. I'm happy that you are active and in the debate. I'm glad you support the tea party. I want your participation even where we don't agree. I think there is enough good that we can compromise and be stronger/better together than we would be apart. If not we'll have to divide up the kids and the furniture and sell the house. And no one wins in that situation. Just don't tell me it's all my fault, and that you had nothing to do with it. This breakdown has been a long time coming. All sides are culpable and responsible and need to take part in the fix. 

 

Thanks for that.  Not a rambling or unreasonable response to my question, IMO. 

We are somewhat close in the fiscal conservative / socially liberal department.  I am really fiscally conservative, probably to an extreme in many people's opinion.  I'm extremely socially liberal to the point that as long as any behaviour does not require a government subsidy to facilitate and does not undermine the social standing of the traditional heterosexually based family structure, then I'm all good. 

My reference point you call the victim is purely coming from the point of view that the MSM attacks Republicans and defends Democrats.  Right or wrong is not the issue to me, it just is what it seems to be to me in the broadbrush sense.  In reality, both sides are compliscent and that is not lost on me when actually arguing the reality of a specific subject.

My problem with the Democrats is pretty simple.  I disgree with nearly every energy policy they profess.  I disgree with their world view and national defense posture.  I disagree with their view on State's rights.  I disagree with their domestic economic policies.  I disgree with their position that unions for government workers are necessary even when Civil Service Commision rules already cover the matters of employment.  The unions are redundent and in the public sector only benefit Democrat Party positions and candidates.  The taxpayers are paying for this redundant and unnecessary expense for public sector unions.  This is a scam whose time is up and no longer acceptable to me and many others.  Private sector unions are a completely seperate issue and should continue unaffected by linkage and misinformation in the public sector discussion.

The socalled union busting going on in Wisconsin, Indiana and Ohio, where parallel and older Civil Service strutures are already in place is a straw argument.  We either have a Civil Service Structure or a Union Structure for government employment, not both, especially when the Civil Service trumps the union.  The position of the Democrat party is that we must have both.  Bull puckey. 

{#Cheers}


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Posted: Feb 23, 2011 - 1:00pm

 peter_james_bond wrote:

Walker's Has Created The Problem!

There is a kernel of truth in Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker's claim of a "budget shortfall" of $137 million. But Walker, a Republican, failed to tell the state that less than two weeks into his term as governor, he, with his swollen Republican majorities in the Wisconsin legislature, pushed through $117 million in tax breaks for business allies of the GOP. There is your crisis.

The state Legislature's Legislative Fiscal Bureau — Wisconsin's equivalent of the Congressional Budget Office and a refuge for professional expertise and nonpartisanship — warned Walker and the legislature that the measure would create a budget gap. There is your shortfall — and not one resulting from established public employee benefits. Before the tax giveaways, the fiscal agency predicted a surplus for the state. Read More Here


 
Zackly. Maybe Kurtster should get all the facts before he starts accusing.

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Posted: Feb 23, 2011 - 12:56pm

 kurtster wrote:
Elected D's are abadoning their posts like rats bailing from a sinking ship.

First they have left Wisconsin and now they have left Indiana.  WTF ?

I hear they will be bailing from Ohio next.

The whole place is upside down.  Now Democrats don't want to vote ?

This is really the best exhibition of sore loosers ever witnessed in American politics.

And they will probably want to get paid while partying hiding in other states rather than showing up and doing their elected job.

The Teachers on strike in Wisconsin have even gotten sympathetic doctors to write them phony excuses to say they were sick while protesting.

And Obama has given his blessings to this behaviuor.

This is freaking insane.  And these are adults ?

 
Walker's Has Created The Problem!

There is a kernel of truth in Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker's claim of a "budget shortfall" of $137 million. But Walker, a Republican, failed to tell the state that less than two weeks into his term as governor, he, with his swollen Republican majorities in the Wisconsin legislature, pushed through $117 million in tax breaks for business allies of the GOP. There is your crisis.

The state Legislature's Legislative Fiscal Bureau — Wisconsin's equivalent of the Congressional Budget Office and a refuge for professional expertise and nonpartisanship — warned Walker and the legislature that the measure would create a budget gap. There is your shortfall — and not one resulting from established public employee benefits. Before the tax giveaways, the fiscal agency predicted a surplus for the state. Read More Here



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Posted: Feb 23, 2011 - 6:20am

It's the dawn of a dark new scary present. Time to take a nap.
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Posted: Feb 23, 2011 - 6:11am

 Umberdog wrote:
I can't wait to see what your courts look like. Just kidding.

There's lots of reasons people won't work. It's not always laziness. Nature had a perfect filtering mechanism installed, but people have subverted it. It was called the "natural process," or "survival of the fittest" for you lay folks. See, if people would have just let Nature do her business you wouldn't be having this conversation.

It's a really confusing mess of a world. I don't know what to do. Maybe we should just turn it all over to a shaman somewhere. Not JadeWahoo... it would cost us a fortune!
 
Oh yes, the "good old days".  The reason we are having this conversation, though, is because man kept breeding and living longer and longer.  Population density increased to the point that one day while my family was bringing our cattle over some low mountain pass, we came across your family's gorgeous valley.  We had never seen such lush crops before and you couldn't understand why we had more than one cow.  Nature took over and our cows started enjoying your garden with its strange irrigation.  You were frustrated, wanted to protect the results of your hard work, and confronted me!  This made me frustrated as I didn't see a need for confrontation because you had so much food concentrated in one space and my cattle needed to eat!  This scenario and others like it repeated over and over throughout the land.  Soon we had ads for lawyers on the back of telephone books.

Sorry.  At this point, barring a seriously swift decrease in population and resources due to disease, wars, or drastic climate change, we aren't going back to the "good old days".  Now we need to relearn how to respect one another, our environment, and collectively work towards making society better for all.  At present, our silly two-party system complete with blinders, scapegoats, large amounts of money, and controlled by children seems unable to learn this.

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Posted: Feb 22, 2011 - 11:21pm

 islander wrote:
Read carefully. I didn't say anything of the sort. I said that under my plan there would be provisions for people in those situations. If you're down and out, we will have a program to help. If you're crazy, we'll have an institution. If you're simply to lazy to participate in our society, then I would make it so that you could not access any of the benefits of our society and make it difficult for you to stay here. It makes me sad that we have let things go so far that people are living under bridges. I'll help the down on their luck and the downtrodden, I won't help those who won't help themselves, and I will resent their presence in our great societal experiment.
 
I can't wait to see what your courts look like. Just kidding.

There's lots of reasons people won't work. It's not always laziness. Nature had a perfect filtering mechanism installed, but people have subverted it. It was called the "natural process," or "survival of the fittest" for you lay folks. See, if people would have just let Nature do her business you wouldn't be having this conversation.

It's a really confusing mess of a world. I don't know what to do. Maybe we should just turn it all over to a shaman somewhere. Not JadeWahoo... it would cost us a fortune!


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Posted: Feb 22, 2011 - 10:43pm

 Umberdog wrote:
If you think it's easy to live under a bridge then you've never done it. Some people simply aren't wired for this world they're in.
 
Read carefully. I didn't say anything of the sort. I said that under my plan there would be provisions for people in those situations. If you're down and out, we will have a program to help. If you're crazy, we'll have an institution. If you're simply to lazy to participate in our society, then I would make it so that you could not access any of the benefits of our society and make it difficult for you to stay here. It makes me sad that we have let things go so far that people are living under bridges. I'll help the down on their luck and the downtrodden, I won't help those who won't help themselves, and I will resent their presence in our great societal experiment.
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Posted: Feb 22, 2011 - 10:36pm

If you think it's easy to live under a bridge then you've never done it. Some people simply aren't wired for this world they're in.
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Posted: Feb 22, 2011 - 10:26pm

 kurtster wrote:


They do not get sent home.  85% of the incumbants won reelection to Congress in 2010. 

Victim, huh ?  Don't think so.  Only complaints I've heard from the non conservative side is that they didn't do enough.

As one of the few open supporters of the Tea Party here, I've picked on the Repubs almost as much as the Dems over the years.

In your non conservative viewpoint, just what specifically did the Dems do wrong in the past 2 years ?  I've said plenty, haven't heard much from you on the actual question.

And more to my opening points this evening, the Wisconsin Legislature has or is passing a law where if a member misses two scheduled days in a pay period, direct deposit of pay is stopped and members must show up on the floor to pick up their paychecks.  That'll get em back home !

I'll hang up and take the answers off the air.

{#Mrgreen}

In the morning ... 
 
This could get really long.

First let me say that I do generally consider myself to be fairly conservative fiscally, so I have no representation in the .gov on that front.  Socially I'm really liberal, so I think the dems have a few decent ideas, but no stomach for what really should be said and no sense at all when it comes to paying for social programs (I support quite a few of those, from public education to public health care). Frankly I think the dems main failing is a failure to really embrace the progressive side of their party.  No we can't have welfare for all and unlimited arts and social programs. But we can have single payer health care, we can have gay marriage, we can have a solid public commons that supports and grows the underprivileged in our society, and keeps all but the absolute laziest from living under the bridges (and my conservative side could fix that problem too).

The dems haven't done enough on entitlement programs. They haven't done enough on taxation. They haven't made their case that they have a good set of ideas, and been willing to stand behind them even if it means not being re-elected.  This is good for me, because I doubt I would like a lot of the social stuff they would put forward. 

So to that point - the fact that re-election numbers are so high is our fault. We keep electing these bozos and then complaining about them for then next cycle. But then we re-elect them. What a bunch of dolts we are. Sure, money, gerrymandering, misleading ads.... whatever, we punch the ballot, it's our fault. As an electorate we are failing. We can't even mobilize half of us to show up. Bad on us.

I'm all out of order here, but I'm not going to fix it.  Vicitmhood. Yes, that's you. Go back and look at your previous post. It's all wah, wah, wah, Democrats, wah, wah, wah, won't let us play, wah, wah, wah, not our fault...... Sheesh. Put your fucking pants on, wipe off the tears, take credit and blame where appropriate, and get back in there with me and let's try to get 79% of the people to vote so we can toss out some of these idiots.  Sorry if that was a bit harsh, but that post was a whiny, bitchy tirade.

Wisconsin, Indiana and Ohio need to all get their shit together. The right needs to stop being so vindictive and the left needs to stop being so entitled. They need to sit down and work out a compromise. This means that neither side gets what they want, but they figure out a way to make it work. The electorate of all three deserve what they get if the officials can't get their crap together soon. Lather, rinse, repeat for the entire nation if we have a .gov shutdown in March.   

That's enough for now. I'm happy that you are active and in the debate. I'm glad you support the tea party. I want your participation even where we don't agree. I think there is enough good that we can compromise and be stronger/better together than we would be apart. If not we'll have to divide up the kids and the furniture and sell the house. And no one wins in that situation. Just don't tell me it's all my fault, and that you had nothing to do with it. This breakdown has been a long time coming. All sides are culpable and responsible and need to take part in the fix. 


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Posted: Feb 22, 2011 - 9:08pm

 islander wrote:

Are you serious? Stop claiming victim status, and work toward solutions. I won't even bother with the rest of the hyperbole.

Have high expectations for all officials regardless of party. Send them all home when they fail.

 

They do not get sent home.  85% of the incumbants won reelection to Congress in 2010. 

Victim, huh ?  Don't think so.  Only complaints I've heard from the non conservative side is that they didn't do enough.

As one of the few open supporters of the Tea Party here, I've picked on the Repubs almost as much as the Dems over the years.

In your non conservative viewpoint, just what specifically did the Dems do wrong in the past 2 years ?  I've said plenty, haven't heard much from you on the actual question.

And more to my opening points this evening, the Wisconsin Legislature has or is passing a law where if a member misses two scheduled days in a pay period, direct deposit of pay is stopped and members must show up on the floor to pick up their paychecks.  That'll get em back home !

I'll hang up and take the answers off the air.

{#Mrgreen}

In the morning ... 
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