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Posted: Aug 1, 2009 - 4:10pm

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As one who finds fault and comedy in both sides and admits it, I would call it mob mentality.  It is what keeps us apart and prevents us from solving problems.  I guess when you live in a society that has one party ruling the entire government, it allows those in power to think that they are infallible and to conveniently forget the skeletons in their own closet.

 
I didn't forget mine...they're in there right now, plotting their takeover. I'm gonna suprise 'em with a nut bomb and make video of their teeth clacking and post it on youtube...or here in RP...you never know...

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Posted: Aug 1, 2009 - 3:55pm

 Proclivities wrote:

I think the practice of denying that one's own side has done wrong, while condemning groups with any differing opinions or actvities, is pretty common among all persuasions, political or otherwise.  It's group mentality.


 

As one who finds fault and comedy in both sides and admits it, I would call it mob mentality.  It is what keeps us apart and prevents us from solving problems.  I guess when you live in a society that has one party ruling the entire government, it allows those in power to think that they are infallible and to conveniently forget the skeletons in their own closet.
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Posted: Aug 1, 2009 - 3:49pm

 kurtster wrote:


Once again you got me. 

The reason is that in my opinion, (a broad generalization based upon observation) is that most of the lefties only use a broad brush when they paint righties while they deny that their side has done anything wrong, ever.  Such as in the case earlier when I had to issue a(an) (unchallenged) correction to the point where Repubs never voted to pass any social legislation, ever.  I thought it fair to remind that person of the dear Senator Byrd (D -WV), a former Grand Wizard in the KKK to make my correction. 

Yes. I know opinions are like A-holes, just like the word assume.

And if securing our borders and defending our Constitution is sufficient to paint me a racist, then so be it.

Edit: I love this thread.  With its title, it is totally unjackable.  After all, there are no leftwingnutz as we all know.{#Wink}

 
It is not the 'defending of our borders' that makes your statement racist (I never called YOU a racist, BTW), it is that you would classify someone (in this case, Debi Segura Dobbs) as 'Mexican' simply because they are of Mexican descent. That is akin to calling President Obama a Muslim because some of the family he descended from is Muslim. It is your statement that is racist. Now, you can go on and on about your political beliefs about the need for secured borders yada-yada... but that is not addressing the racism expressed in your statement. When you are willing to look more deeply into that looking glass, and contend with the incipient prejudice to be found therein, then I would be willing to listen to your further comments about border policy. But I will be damned if I will just sit back and let your obsfucations derail from the point on which I am calling you out. Until then, well, your commentaries carry the albatross of your prejudice.

Love ya, man. That's why.

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Posted: Aug 1, 2009 - 3:41pm

 kurtster wrote:


Once again you got me. 

The reason is that in my opinion, (a broad generalization based upon observation) is that most of the lefties only use a broad brush when they paint righties while they deny that their side has done anything wrong, ever.  Such as in the case earlier when I had to issue a(an) (unchallenged) correction to the point where Repubs never voted to pass any social legislation, ever.  I thought it fair to remind that person of the dear Senator Byrd (D -WV), a former Grand Wizard in the KKK to make my correction. 

Yes. I know opinions are like A-holes, just like the word assume.

And if securing our borders and defending our Constitution is sufficient to paint me a racist, then so be it.

Edit: I love this thread.  With its title, it is totally unjackable.  After all, there are no leftwingnutz as we all know.{#Wink}

 
I think the practice of denying that one's own side has done wrong, while condemning groups with any differing opinions or dubious actions, is pretty common among all persuasions, political or otherwise.  It's group mentality.

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Posted: Aug 1, 2009 - 2:55pm

 jadewahoo wrote:
 kurtster wrote:

You got me.  I knew that she was an American of Mexican decent when I wrote that.  I was waiting for a left wing deep thinker to call me on it. 

Just thinking out loud now.  Are there any American - Canadians, or African - Canadians, or American - Mexicans or  American - French, or African - Germans, or ...

Are we American - Fools or what ?  I guess its safe to be a wingnut and say that if you are a hyphenated American, then you just ain't an American.  Who came up with this hyphenated thing anyway ?  An American - Racist ?
Kurt, you are so far to the Left of me, it is laughable. One need not be a Left nor a Righty to recognize racist statement. So... if you meant o say that she is an American of Mexican descent, why not just say that, instead of an inept attempt to bait your fellow RPeeps?

 

Once again you got me. 

The reason is that in my opinion, (a broad generalization based upon observation) is that most of the lefties only use a broad brush when they paint righties while they deny that their side has done anything wrong, ever.  Such as in the case earlier when I had to issue a(an) (unchallenged) correction to the point where Repubs never voted to pass any social legislation, ever.  I thought it fair to remind that person of the dear Senator Byrd (D -WV), a former Grand Wizard in the KKK to make my correction. 

Yes. I know opinions are like A-holes, just like the word assume.

And if securing our borders and defending our Constitution is sufficient to paint me a racist, then so be it.

Edit: I love this thread.  With its title, it is totally unjackable.  After all, there are no leftwingnutz as we all know.{#Wink}


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Posted: Aug 1, 2009 - 2:44pm

 kurtster wrote:

You got me.  I knew that she was an American of Mexican decent when I wrote that.  I was waiting for a left wing deep thinker to call me on it. 

Just thinking out loud now.  Are there any American - Canadians, or African - Canadians, or American - Mexicans or  American - French, or African - Germans, or ...

Are we American - Fools or what ?  I guess its safe to be a wingnut and say that if you are a hyphenated American, then you just ain't an American.  Who came up with this hyphenated thing anyway ?  An American - Racist ?
Kurt, you are so far to the Left of me, it is laughable. One need not be a Lefty nor a Righty to recognize a racist statement. So... if you meant o say that she is an American of Mexican descent, why not just say that, instead of an inept attempt to bait your fellow RPeeps?


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Posted: Aug 1, 2009 - 2:32pm

 hippiechick wrote:

Oh yeah?

Well, it's likely I would catch it because I don't pay no attention to that man. I wouldn't know his wife from the lady down the block.

African-American is a lot better term than was previously used.
 
Well, how about we just be Americans ?  Hyphens, just by their very nature are divisive.  They are not joiners.  If I called myself an European - American, I would be considered a racist.  How come its OK for a certain group and not others ?  You approve of that ?

OBTW: on a totally unrelated item, is getting high strictly a lefty thingy or is it OK for righties to indulge as well ?  Or is it even conceivable that a righty would get high ?

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Posted: Aug 1, 2009 - 2:12pm

 hippiechick wrote:

Even their god Reagan didn't like the situation.

Someone didn't like my haves/have nots argument, but isn't their argument "It's my $$$, land, benefits, taxes, etc... and I don't want to share it with you"?
 
After All... we stole it fair and square.

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Posted: Aug 1, 2009 - 1:57pm

 kurtster wrote:

You got me.  I knew that she was an American of Mexican decent when I wrote that.  I was waiting for a left wing deep thinker to call me on it. 

Just thinking out loud now.  Are there any American - Canadians, or African - Canadians, or American - Mexicans or  American - French, or African - Germans, or ...

Are we American - Fools or what ?  I guess its safe to be a wingnut and say that if you are a hyphenated American, then you just ain't an American.  Who came up with this hyphenated thing anyway ?  An American - Racist ?
 
Oh yeah?

Well, it's likely I would catch it because I don't pay no attention to that man. I wouldn't know his wife from the lady down the block.

African-American is a lot better term than was previously used.

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Posted: Aug 1, 2009 - 1:54pm

 jadewahoo wrote:

Kurt, man... you are stepping in your own horseshit again. Debi Segura Dobbs is not a Mexican. She is an American. Her parents were Mexican nationals. At best, you might say she is a Mexican-American. Calling her a Mexican is a racist statement, one that you should be ashamed of, especially given your paranoid anti-illegal-immigration stance.
 
You got me.  I knew that she was an American of Mexican decent when I wrote that.  I was waiting for a left wing deep thinker to call me on it. 

Just thinking out loud now.  Are there any American - Canadians, or African - Canadians, or American - Mexicans or  American - French, or African - Germans, or ...

Are we American - Fools or what ?  I guess its safe to be a wingnut and say that if you are a hyphenated American, then you just ain't an American.  Who came up with this hyphenated thing anyway ?  An American - Racist ?

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Posted: Aug 1, 2009 - 1:45pm

 Proclivities wrote:

"...the illegal alien fuss.
Are great numbers of our unemployed really victims of the illegal alien invasion, or are those illegal tourists actually doing work our own people won't do? One thing is certain in this hungry world: No regulation or law should be allowed if it results in crops rotting in the fields for lack of harvesters."
-Gov. Ronald Reagan, Nov. 1977 Radio Address
 
Even their god Reagan didn't like the situation.

Someone didn't like my haves/have nots argument, but isn't their argument "It's my $$$, land, benefits, taxes, etc... and I don't want to share it with you"?

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Posted: Aug 1, 2009 - 1:41pm

 musik_knut wrote:


Is there a pro-illegal immigration stance???

 
"...the illegal alien fuss.
Are great numbers of our unemployed really victims of the illegal alien invasion, or are those illegal tourists actually doing work our own people won't do? One thing is certain in this hungry world: No regulation or law should be allowed if it results in crops rotting in the fields for lack of harvesters."
-Gov. Ronald Reagan, Nov. 1977 Radio Address

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Posted: Aug 1, 2009 - 12:40pm

 musik_knut wrote:


Is there a pro-illegal immigration stance???

 

for the right wing: cheap domestic labour

for the left wing: a diverse cultural mix that generates economic growth (and cheap domestic labour).


jadewahoo

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Posted: Aug 1, 2009 - 12:40pm

 musik_knut wrote:


Is there a pro-illegal immigration stance???

 
Sure there is... MINE. Me, I am all for a One World Government. Just not the one you folks are offering...

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Posted: Aug 1, 2009 - 12:40pm

 musik_knut wrote:


your unbridled hatred is not appealing...

 
It's not hatred, it's amusement. I am just calling you on your bullshit.

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Posted: Aug 1, 2009 - 12:38pm

 jadewahoo wrote:

Kurt, man... you are stepping in your own horseshit again. Debi Segura Dobbs is not a Mexican. She is an American. Her parents were Mexican nationals. At best, you might say she is a Mexican-American. Calling her a Mexican is a racist statement, one that you should be ashamed of, especially given your paranoid anti-illegal-immigration stance.
 

Is there a pro-illegal immigration stance???
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Posted: Aug 1, 2009 - 12:35pm

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To call him, "Lou 'I hate brown people' Dobbs" is truly a racist remark of extreme ignorance.  His wife is a Mexican.  If you actually watch Dobbs at all you would know that he is hardly a racist.  Just because you are anti illegal immigration, does not mean you are a racist.  Or does it in the world you live ?

And to the transparent one.  Why not release the definitive documents requested, such as education records, his actual birth certificate and other documents his peers have provided ?  He should have nothing to fear, right, its all legit, right ?  By not releasing these documents, it provides ammo to the true kooks to keep going off and then associate these kooks with serious conservatives and thereby discredit by association.  Pretty smart and a time tested approach.  No one I know ever accused the transparent one of being stupid, except when it comes to economics.

 
Kurt, man... you are stepping in your own horseshit again. Debi Segura Dobbs is not a Mexican. She is an American. Her parents were Mexican nationals. At best, you might say she is a Mexican-American. Calling her a Mexican is a racist statement, one that you should be ashamed of, especially given your paranoid anti-illegal-immigration stance.

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Posted: Aug 1, 2009 - 12:34pm

 hippiechick wrote:
Poor Republicans!! Wah Wah!  {#Cry}

 

your unbridled hatred is not appealing...
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Posted: Aug 1, 2009 - 12:33pm

Poor Republicans!! Wah Wah!  {#Cry}
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Posted: Aug 1, 2009 - 12:28pm

 arsenault wrote:

mk
you are a voice shouting in the wilderness.
remember when bush was elected and took office, how much time did the lefties give him?...less than one day...?
they hated him with a knee jerk retarded vengeance, and now they criticize the low key criticisms of barack, like they were reasoned and measured and gave the republican a chance in 2001.. nonsense.
they never apologized for falsely accusing bush of stealing the election when every recount proved he won florida.
now they blame reps for the health care debacle, when it is the dems that could fast track the 'reform' but cannot due to a lack of democratic votes.
its like they think you are either for health care reform (as defined by the battalion of anonymous operatives) or you are against health care reform (as defined by the battalion of anonymous operatives).

oh, the irony.
 

arse,
Greetings to ya,
Any criticism of President Obama is seen as a slight, perhaps tinged with racism, and of course, uncalled for. We were told dissent was Patriotic, and it is, but dissent from the direction we are being steered is well, unacceptable. The dissenters are nut jobs, whackoids, racists, REPUBLICANS ALL. I confine my criticisms to President Obama on his job performance, not his persona. I take no prisoners when I dissent...I've scolded Republicans endlessly for their reckless stewardship of our Treasury. Seems now that many, with whom I agreed, now find it all very acceptable, the runaway maddening spending we are witnessing. It was NOT GOOD before, but now, IT'S ALL GOOD. Hypocrites...
mk


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