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Atman

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Posted: Aug 2, 2009 - 10:36pm

 arsenault wrote:

with respect..chomsky never puts himself in a debate because he is so full of shit and never wants to be called on it.
he will only appear in a venue where he won't be challenged. usually a rambling incoherent coma inducing monotone monologue.
most people see through the bs when they enter the real world after college, or do any rudimentary self education on politics and culture.

and really we should discuss chomsky under leftwingnutZ

he is a fine linguist though. 

 
nice   {#Puke}

arsenault

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Posted: Aug 2, 2009 - 10:31pm

 Atman wrote:

Years ago I saw Manufacturing Consent by Noam Chomsky, who in my opinion has the most to say about all of this. So, it's not news at all, only a confirmation. In fact, Chomsky is one of those folks who is NEVER on any of the MSM shows. Cause he kicks everybody's ass when it comes to the truth. His whole deal is that we have a corporatist government, not a social democracy. That is, our votes are based on how much money is lined up for them. A social democracy is where each vote has equal power. Unfortunately, every single person has to wage a campaign to figure out what's true. Corporate forces make sure it's harder and harder to tell the truth, and then use all their money to manipulate people's opinions based on what bullshitake works.

The forces lined up against just health care are exactly working to the purpose of money, not health care. They are making fearful people think they are going to be left out. And it is the biggest lie there is right now.
 
with respect..chomsky never puts himself in a debate because he is so full of shit and never wants to be called on it.
he will only appear in a venue where he won't be challenged. usually a rambling incoherent coma inducing monotone monologue.
most people see through the bs when they enter the real world after college, or do any rudimentary self education on politics and culture.

and really we should discuss chomsky under leftwingnutZ

he is a fine linguist though. 
Atman

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Location: Sandpoint, ID
Gender: Male


Posted: Aug 2, 2009 - 10:19pm

 kurtster wrote:

So is this news to you or a confirmation of your own thoughts ?

Ain't no surprise to me.

The Fourth Estate is no longer.  I pronounced it dead when I raised the point that rather than investigate Bernie Madoff, Mort Zuckerman of the U S News and World Report and The New York Daily News chose to keep it to himself and invest.  So welcome to the party.  You must now view more news than ever from ALL sources to be able to cull some sort of sense of what is going on.  Which makes places like these where people post all kinds of links that are from obscure sources more valuable.

FWIW: Last night on C2C I heard a prediction of a Bank Holiday coming in the Fall.  Also, support HR 1207 by calling your Representives.  It is the Bill that calls for an audit of the Federal Reserve.  It is being held in committee by Frank and Pelosi.  They are blocking its vote and preventing it from getting to the floor.  This bill has bi partisan sponsorship of over 280 members of the House and 20 sponsors in the Senate.

HR 1207

 
Years ago I saw Manufacturing Consent by Noam Chomsky, who in my opinion has the most to say about all of this. So, it's not news at all, only a confirmation. In fact, Chomsky is one of those folks who is NEVER on any of the MSM shows. Cause he kicks everybody's ass when it comes to the truth. His whole deal is that we have a corporatist government, not a social democracy. That is, our votes are based on how much money is lined up for them. A social democracy is where each vote has equal power. Unfortunately, every single person has to wage a campaign to figure out what's true. Corporate forces make sure it's harder and harder to tell the truth, and then use all their money to manipulate people's opinions based on what bullshitake works.

The forces lined up against just health care are exactly working to the purpose of money, not health care. They are making fearful people think they are going to be left out. And it is the biggest lie there is right now.

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Posted: Aug 2, 2009 - 9:07pm

 kurtster wrote:

Old news.  Its been discussed in other threads during the election.  It was even investigated during his first run in 2000 as one of your references noted..  To compare a birth of a child to military personnel on a U S Base in a U S Territory to the birth of a child to non military citizens in a foreign country is a comparison of apples and oranges.  A Puerto Rican is a natural born U S Citizen in a U S territory and could therefore be elected President to the best of my knowledge.  My remarks do not challenge where Obama was born and took his first breath, just commenting on the circumstances being compared..

 

yeah, I wouldn't think that it made McCain ineligible, I just had never noticed the topic before. weird that I missed it.
kurtster

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Posted: Aug 2, 2009 - 8:49pm

 dmax wrote:
Something I learned today from On The Media that I didn't know.

In 1936, where was John McCain born? The man that the GOP put up to become president. Who, by law, needed to have been born in the US - which is the foundation for the birther's arguments.

Let's look it up...

And then there was some discussion about it, but ultimately no one seemed to make a big deal about it. 
Interesting. It never came up on my radar during all that time he was running.

 
 
Old news.  Its been discussed in other threads during the election.  It was even investigated during his first run in 2000 as one of your references noted..  To compare a birth of a child to military personnel on a U S Base in a U S Territory to the birth of a child to non military citizens in a foreign country is a comparison of apples and oranges.  A Puerto Rican is a natural born U S Citizen in a U S territory and could therefore be elected President to the best of my knowledge.  My remarks do not challenge where Obama was born and took his first breath, just commenting on the circumstances being compared..


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Posted: Aug 2, 2009 - 8:17pm

Something I learned today from On The Media that I didn't know.

In 1936, where was John McCain born? The man that the GOP put up to become president. Who, by law, needed to have been born in the US - which is the foundation for the birther's arguments.

Let's look it up...

And then there was some discussion about it, but ultimately no one seemed to make a big deal about it. 
Interesting. It never came up on my radar during all that time he was running.

 brandog wrote:
This woman should get some kind of prize and a complimentary 72 hour evaluation at the nearest mental health facility.


 


kurtster

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Posted: Aug 2, 2009 - 8:15pm

 Atman wrote:

Didn't you like this? I thought it was very bi-partisan of me.

Regardless of your political position, this has got to make you sick to your stomach. I admit, I love Keith Olbermann and Charlie Rose, and this is depressing as hell. If anyone thinks that any media outlet has the least amount of integrity, then:
Gate of hell sign - Dante's Inferno by italiangerry.
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/08/01/ge/

 
So is this news to you or a confirmation of your own thoughts ?

Ain't no surprise to me.

The Fourth Estate is no longer.  I pronounced it dead when I raised the point that rather than investigate Bernie Madoff, Mort Zuckerman of the U S News and World Report and The New York Daily News chose to keep it to himself and invest.  So welcome to the party.  You One must now view more news than ever from ALL sources to be able to cull some sort of sense of what is going on.  Which makes places like these where people post all kinds of links that are from obscure sources more valuable.

FWIW: Last night on C2C I heard a prediction of a Bank Holiday coming in the Fall.  Also, support HR 1207 by calling your Representives.  It is the Bill that calls for an audit of the Federal Reserve.  It is being held in committee by Frank and Pelosi.  They are blocking its vote and preventing it from getting to the floor.  This bill has bi partisan sponsorship of over 280 members of the House and 20 sponsors in the Senate.

HR 1207


musik_knut

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Posted: Aug 2, 2009 - 7:00pm

 Atman wrote:

Didn't you like this? I thought it was very bi-partisan of me.

Regardless of your political position, this has got to make you sick to your stomach. I admit, I love Keith Olbermann and Charlie Rose, and this is depressing as hell. If anyone thinks that any media outlet has the least amount of integrity, then:
Gate of hell sign - Dante's Inferno by italiangerry.
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/08/01/ge/

 

no comment
Atman

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Posted: Aug 2, 2009 - 6:54pm

 musik_knut wrote:


it's ok...I  think I'll avoid the political threads...I seem destined to just tangle with folks in here...that's boring and not a lot of fun...
thanks...

 
Didn't you like this? I thought it was very bi-partisan of me.

Regardless of your political position, this has got to make you sick to your stomach. I admit, I love Keith Olbermann and Charlie Rose, and this is depressing as hell. If anyone thinks that any media outlet has the least amount of integrity, then:
Gate of hell sign - Dante's Inferno by italiangerry.
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/08/01/ge/


musik_knut

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Posted: Aug 2, 2009 - 6:49pm

 hippiechick wrote:
 musik_knut wrote:


Fine. So, when I say I'm not a HAVE, I'm BSing? Fine. Believe what fabrications you wish to create of me even though you don't know me. Stereotype me as you wish. That's bigotry in motion. You do it pathetically well... It seems much of your angst stems from not enough being done for you...


 

To musik_knut:

I apologize for poking you these past two days.
 

it's ok...I  think I'll avoid the political threads...I seem destined to just tangle with folks in here...that's boring and not a lot of fun...
thanks...
hippiechick

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Posted: Aug 2, 2009 - 5:49pm

 musik_knut wrote:


Fine. So, when I say I'm not a HAVE, I'm BSing? Fine. Believe what fabrications you wish to create of me even though you don't know me. Stereotype me as you wish. That's bigotry in motion. You do it pathetically well... It seems much of your angst stems from not enough being done for you...


 

To musik_knut:

I apologize for poking you these past two days.

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Posted: Aug 2, 2009 - 5:23pm

*bump*

Good NPR coverage concerning the video clip below - apparently, the "birther" movement is more than just a few congressmen and a couple of judges - it's grass roots!
 
brandog wrote:
This woman should get some kind of prize and a complimentary 72 hour evaluation at the nearest mental health facility.


I nominate her for

The Purple Brain Award

for July, 2009.
 


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Posted: Aug 2, 2009 - 8:49am

 The_End wrote:
The Right doesn't have the ignorance market cornered. I wish they did. There would be more hope then.

I expect that the intelligent forces of Nature will act to thin the herd sometime soon.

 
One thing I can say for sure is that I want the lunatic fringe to be just as visible and noisy as possible - when it all comes down, and the shooting starts, I know who's gonna get it while I'm busy collecting canned food, boxes of irradiated bacon, batteries, and fuel from the ruins of their bunkers.

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Posted: Aug 2, 2009 - 8:16am

 The_End wrote:

That is one of the most ignorant displays I've ever had the misfortune to witness. And it is not easy to get near the top of that ever-growing list.

 
Meet the New American Right
same as the Old American Right
(just add crystal meth and stir)

I hope America becomes an 3litist meritocracy soon - all this yammering is making me tired.

hippiechick

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Posted: Aug 2, 2009 - 7:40am

 musik_knut wrote:


Fine. So, when I say I'm not a HAVE, I'm BSing? Fine. Believe what fabrications you wish to create of me even though you don't know me. Stereotype me as you wish. That's bigotry in motion. You do it pathetically well... It seems much of your angst stems from not enough being done for you...

 
You have a point there.

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Posted: Aug 2, 2009 - 7:31am

This woman should get some kind of prize and a complimentary 72 hour evaluation at the nearest mental health facility.


I nominate her for

The Purple Brain Award

for July, 2009.

jadewahoo

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Posted: Aug 2, 2009 - 7:09am

 kurtster wrote:

{#Cheers}

Hell I don't even know if I made any sense after re reading this as I am pretty flippin tired, but WTF, tomorrow is a new day.  To me that is the most important part of life now.

 
And I, for one, am richer and grateful for your being here, this day... and the next.

musik_knut

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Posted: Aug 2, 2009 - 5:50am

 hippiechick wrote:

It's not hatred, it's amusement. I am just calling you on your bullshit.
 

Fine. So, when I say I'm not a HAVE, I'm BSing? Fine. Believe what fabrications you wish to create of me even though you don't know me. Stereotype me as you wish. That's bigotry in motion. You do it pathetically well... It seems much of your angst stems from not enough being done for you...
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