Hrrrrrrrrumph! Those who object to the cross only pick on the targets they think they can prevail over. Arlington National Cemetary, perhaps our most hallowed ground and final resting place of my father, is not on their radar. They would find resistance well beyond anything their three piece suits could handle.
I would be highly offended if my Jewish loved one had his/her grave marked with a cross. I have been researching this, but I can't find an answer.
How was she insisting that a Christian celebration be denied?
Because Christians, on this, can read between all the lines...
What the hell, must be the Christmas Season...same snarling, same posturing. Here's to everyone but good Christians doing a face plant in some eggnog...
To you as well and to all others who still find meaning in it.
And to those offended by crosses, go to Arlington National Cemetary or any other National Cemetary and look at all those crosses. They are there as much for you as they are for the people who died fighting to give you the right to be offended.
Go tell the ACLU to remove those crosses from public property, I dare you ! If that's what you believe then they should go as well. Zero tolerance, no exceptions.
You want to get rid of crosses on public property then start complaining about the National Cemetaries or STFU !
Not offended by crosses, but, once again, the fact that it's a cemetary adds more to the discussion, as opposed to a town square. Isn't the cross a symbol for the faith of the departed?
To you as well and to all others who still find meaning in it.
And to those offended by crosses, go to Arlington National Cemetary or any other National Cemetary and look at all those crosses. They are there as much for you as they are for the people who died fighting to give you the right to be offended.
Go tell the ACLU to remove those crosses from public property, I dare you ! If that's what you believe then they should go as well. Zero tolerance, no exceptions.
You want to get rid of crosses on public property then start complaining about the National Cemetaries or STFU !
Hrrrrrrrrumph! Those who object to the cross only pick on the targets they think they can prevail over. Arlington National Cemetary, perhaps our most hallowed ground and final resting place of my father, is not on their radar. They would find resistance well beyond anything their three piece suits could handle.
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Dec 7, 2010 - 2:20pm
ScottFromWyoming wrote:
With all the hypotheticals and double negatives and parentheticals I can't figure out what anyone thinks.
Anyone who thinks their local government or the White House has enough money in the budget that they should put up a nice Kwanzaa display, raise your hands. Okay then shut up about nativity scenes and Christmas displays too.
Ah, but what if the nativity scene is provided with private funding? You want to put that on the lawn at city hall, that's okay. As long as you also allow the Kwanzaa and menorah and a small scale model of Stonehenge and a blinky-light representation of Bob Marley smokin' a giant sparkly one out there too.
Perhaps you should contact Obama and ask him why he's still allowing Christmas Trees at the White House, eh ?
I'm surprised the ACLU hasn't filed suit to stop that yet.
If we can have Christmas and not F**king x-mas, trees in the White House, then we should sure as hell be allowed to have Nativity scenes and the like on town squares and other public property like we have for hundreds of years in this country.
Y'all act like its never been done before. Get over it, its been going on for a long, long time here.
In the United Kingdom and among the English, use of "Xmas" is found in a letter from George Woodward in 1753.<7>Lord Byron used the term in 1811,<8> as did Samuel Coleridge (1801)<3> and Lewis Carroll (1864).<8> In the United States, Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr. used the term in a letter dated 1923.<8> Since at least the late 19th century, "Xmas" has been in use in various other English-language nations. Quotations with the word can be found in texts written in Canada,<9> and the word has been used in Australia,<5> and in the Caribbean.<10>Merriam-Webster's Dictionary of English Usage stated that modern use of the term is largely limited to advertisements, headlines and banners, where its conciseness is valued. The association with commerce "has done nothing for its reputation", according to the dictionary.<8>
The word "Christ" and its compounds, including "Christmas", have been abbreviated in English for at least the past 1,000 years, long before the modern "Xmas" was commonly used. "Christ" was often written as "XP" or "Xt"; there are references in the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle as far back as AD 1021. This X and P arose as the uppercase forms of the Greek lettersχ and ρ used in ancient abbreviations for Χριστος (Greek for "Christ"), and are still widely seen in many Eastern Orthodoxicons depicting Jesus Christ. The labarum, an amalgamation of the two Greek letters rendered as â§, is a symbol often used to represent Christ in Catholic, Protestant, and Orthodox Christian Churches.<15>
The Oxford English Dictionary (OED) and the OED Supplement have cited usages of "X-" or "Xp-" for "Christ-" as early as 1485. The terms "Xpian" and "Xtian" have also been used for "Christian". The dictionary further cites usage of "Xtianity" for "Christianity" from 1634. According to Merriam-Webster's Dictionary of English Usage, most of the evidence for these words comes from "educated Englishmen who knew their Greek".<8>
In ancient Christian art, χ and χρ are abbreviations for Christ's name.<16> In many manuscripts of the New Testament and icons, X is an abbreviation for Christos,<citation needed> as is XC (the first and last letters in Greek, using the lunate sigma);<17> compare IC for Jesus in Greek.
hc...you don't know me well enough, or actually, hardly at all, to state that I am of a closed mind. Where now would I get the idea that Chrisitians are entitled to celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ? Gee, lemme think on that. Btw dudette, you're not Chrisitan so quit trying to insist on denying a Chrisitian celebration. I am not shoving my religion down your throat. Again, you injure yourself with nonsense. Quit being your own worse enemy in RP...
How was she insisting that a Christian celebration be denied?
...and they will tell you, as straight faced as possible, that Christians and symbols of Christianity are not under attack. And they will believe it...while mocking our protests. EDIT: MERRY CHRISTMAS!
MERRYCHRISTMAS
To you as well and to all others who still find meaning in it.
And to those offended by crosses, go to Arlington National Cemetary or any other National Cemetary and look at all those crosses. They are there as much for you as they are for the people who died fighting to give you the right to be offended.
Go tell the ACLU to remove those crosses from public property, I dare you ! If that's what you believe then they should go as well. Zero tolerance, no exceptions.
You want to get rid of crosses on public property then start complaining about the National Cemetaries or STFU !
Bleh. Not everyone is Christian, Dude. You are certainly closed minded. Where did you ever get the idea that Christians are entitled to all that. Religion should be private for the people who are practicing. Don't shove your beliefs down my throat.
hc...you don't know me well enough, or actually, hardly at all, to state that I am of a closed mind. Where now would I get the idea that Chrisitians are entitled to celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ? Gee, lemme think on that. Btw dudette, you're not Chrisitan so quit trying to insist on denying a Chrisitian celebration. I am not shoving my religion down your throat. Again, you injure yourself with nonsense. Quit being your own worse enemy in RP...
EDIT: I don't recall Christians objecting to a Menorah on display. I have not told you to not fire up a Menorah. Personally, I would rather fire up a doobie...
Last week, if you recall, Senator Jim Inhofe (R-Okla) had some emotions because of that time he could no longer participate in a Tulsa parade because they had named it the "Holiday Parade Of Lights." This forced Inhofe into a position where he would have had to validate other holidays of other people who practice other religious faiths. Despite the fact that the parade remained Christmased-out to the max, and had always welcomed Tulsans of all stripes to celebrate their particular holidays, Inhofe had to travel almost fifteen miles in order to find a parade that had the name "Christmas" in it in order to ride his horsey, which is some of the worst religious persecution ever meted out to humans.
Per Alex Seitz-Wald at Think Progress, Inhofe went on Fox and Friends this morning to continue to have emotions over this minor inconvenience he forced himself to face for no good reason:
CARLSON: So, what you're saying is, that it's not like you're not tolerant of other religions. ... What you're saying is — what a lot of people are saying in our society right now — which is if we're supposed to be tolerate of all these other religions, which pretty much everyone accepts, why does it always seem like Christianity is the one to take the boot?
INHOFE: They're the ones to get the hit. ... I think there are a lot people of other faiths who wonder also, why do they always pick on the Christians?
There can be no doubt that Inhofe's personal struggles do not in any way cheapen the suffering of other Christians, such as, say...the congregants of the Our Lady of Salvation Church of Baghdad — which was attacked by terrorists just over a month ago. Right? I mean, Christians are so terribly picked on, in America. Next you'll be telling me that Christians aren't allowed to worship in some parts of Lower Manhattan, or something.
WTF? Picking on Christians? Really? How many Muslim or Jewish holidays are national holidays?
To be so supposedly tolerant, many Christians sure get their panties in a wad over small stuff. Is the name change that big of a deal? Why should a city parade be a Christmas parade, as opposed to a Holiday parade? Why should the city pick a particular religious holiday at the expense of all others? Just make it a holiday parade, and let each person associated with the parade inflect their particular beliefs on it. Geez, people...at least try to get along.
Perhaps you should contact Obama and ask him why he's still allowing Christmas Trees at the White House, eh ?
I'm surprised the ACLU hasn't filed suit to stop that yet.
If we can have Christmas and not F**king x-mas, trees in the White House, then we should sure as hell be allowed to have Nativity scenes and the like on town squares and other public property like we have for hundreds of years in this country.
Y'all act like its never been done before. Get over it, its been going on for a long, long time here.
Where in my post did I say I was against a Christmas Tree at the White House? I don't have a strong opinion about the issue one way or the other. It's the senator that's taking up the TV time with his outrage.
Xmas is legitimate shorthand for Christmas, not a slight that should summon expletives or bold type.
You're asking me to get over it? I'm not the one parroting about this "War on Christmas" like the senator. It's just words, the senator is the one that needs to lighten up.
As for your comment about the ACLU, I kind of agree. But I also think that is a complex legal topic best left up to courts and local jurisdictions and it's a topic with too many parameters that simply cannot be dumbed down and boxed up into slogans for the Fox News audience.
...and they will tell you, as straight faced as possible, that Christians and symbols of Christianity are not under attack. And they will believe it...while mocking our protests. EDIT: MERRY CHRISTMAS!
Bleh. Not everyone is Christian, Dude. You are certainly closed minded. Where did you ever get the idea that Christians are entitled to all that. Religion should be private for the people who are practicing. Don't shove your beliefs down my throat.
With all the hypotheticals and double negatives and parentheticals I can't figure out what anyone thinks.
Anyone who thinks their local government or the White House has enough money in the budget that they should put up a nice Kwanzaa display, raise your hands. Okay then shut up about nativity scenes and Christmas displays too.
Ah, but what if the nativity scene is provided with private funding? You want to put that on the lawn at city hall, that's okay. As long as you also allow the Kwanzaa and menorah and a small scale model of Stonehenge and a blinky-light representation of Bob Marley smokin' a giant sparkly one out there too.
2 to 1, if any such display would be stolen, it's adios Mr. Marley and his blunt...
With all the hypotheticals and double negatives and parentheticals I can't figure out what anyone thinks.
Anyone who thinks their local government or the White House has enough money in the budget that they should put up a nice Kwanzaa display, raise your hands. Okay then shut up about nativity scenes and Christmas displays too.
Ah, but what if the nativity scene is provided with private funding? You want to put that on the lawn at city hall, that's okay. As long as you also allow the Kwanzaa and menorah and a small scale model of Stonehenge and a blinky-light representation of Bob Marley smokin' a giant sparkly one out there too.
Perhaps you should contact Obama and ask him why he's still allowing Christmas Trees at the White House, eh ?
I'm surprised the ACLU hasn't filed suit to stop that yet.
If we can have Christmas and not F**king x-mas, trees in the White House, then we should sure as hell be allowed to have Nativity scenes and the like on town squares and other public property like we have for hundreds of years in this country.
Y'all act like its never been done before. Get over it, its been going on for a long, long time here.
...and they will tell you, as straight faced as possible, that Christians and symbols of Christianity are not under attack. And they will believe it...while mocking our protests.
Perhaps you should contact Obama and ask him why he's still allowing Christmas Trees at the White House, eh ?
I'm surprised the ACLU hasn't filed suit to stop that yet.
If we can have Christmas and not F**king x-mas, trees in the White House, then we should sure as hell be allowed to have Nativity scenes and the like on town squares and other public property like we have for hundreds of years in this country.
Y'all act like its never been done before. Get over it, its been going on for a long, long time here.
Well, that of course makes it right.
For those of us who don't celebrate, it's highly uncomfortable, and my tax dollars are paying for it.
A suburb near us had a memorial to vets that was an eternal flame guarded by a big ass cross. They were sued, and the town removed the cross and replaced it with a memorial that was much more appropriate, and inclusive.
And these A-holes at Faux News are always pointing out that liberals don't have a right not to be offended and that they should grow thicker skin. I'm so sick of this BS every year from Thanksgiving to Xmas.
Perhaps you should contact Obama and ask him why he's still allowing Christmas Trees at the White House, eh ?
I'm surprised the ACLU hasn't filed suit to stop that yet.
If we can have Christmas and not F**king x-mas, trees in the White House, then we should sure as hell be allowed to have Nativity scenes and the like on town squares and other public property like we have for hundreds of years in this country.
Y'all act like its never been done before. Get over it, its been going on for a long, long time here.
3:1 says they just move the blunt to the Baby Jesus.
wasn't there bong hits for Jesus?
