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Posted: Jul 31, 2009 - 3:41pm

 Atman wrote:

Only 42 percent of Republican respondents in a Research 2000 survey, conducted for the liberal website Daily Kos, said they thought Obama was a natural born citizen.

Apparently, you are in the 42%.

However you question the 'science' of these things, you gotta admit that 'a lot' (doesn't stretch it to guess ~58%) of republicans, the more religious and irrational/ignorant ones especially, buy into the insanely ridiculous thoughtspeak drummed out for them. I know a couple of them, and I am always astounded at what they appear to think, til I read it on one of those wingnut sites.

Like now, with health care, I hear the drumbeat of 'Obama is rushing the legislation through without due deliberation. Wow, all of a sudden, that line is everywhere. Somewhere they got a zombie lab where they try this bullshitake out til they get some kind of spike in affect. Ok, that's the line start the morse code beat: rushing the legislation. 15 years after it should have passed, btw.
 

Alt,
Selective memory or omission? 15 years ago...Democrats, in control, said no to Hillary Care.
Let me say it one more time and you don't have to agree, but Medicare, riddled with mistakes and many, many, many false assumptions, was debated for 1 1/2 years. Now, in the span of less than 6 months, much of which was spent trying to cobble together health care reform in a final package readied for vote, we have to vote? A deadline certain is drawn, erased, moved, drawn again. Medicare cost 65 MILLION in its first year. It now costs over 400 BILLION, yet we were told it would cost 13 BILLION by 2000. What a fine track record on another medically related Government run program. Shall we proceed in a hasty manner and repeat many of the same mistakes? Make many of the same false assumptions? We are told half, perhaps more, of the as yet determined price tag for health care reform, will come from savings squeezed from Medicare. With The Federal Government's track record on recognized savings, would you bank the farm on it? And if that proves to be a false assumption, what recourse is left? Taxes and not just on the rich. Already Speaker Pelosi recognizes a revenue shortfall when she raised the surtax bar from about 380K to 1 MILLION. On that, taxes on all, I would bank the farm. The program we are discussing we before long, dwarf all others. When we add Social Security and Medicare today, we're at over 40% of our budget. Now add a bigger and what will be a fast growing program. What little of our budget will remain for defense, interior, commerce and all other considerations? Damn little. We are fiscally bleeding to death. Oh sure, President Bush and Republicans spent too much Treasury. Today, we're eclipsing the maddening pace they set. But for many on the other side, that's ok. We simply have to spend the money. Oh, really? Debt is debt. Already China is making noise about our fiscal ways. And what went with little note or fanfare just last Tuesday, Treasury sales were, and this is being kind, were flat. Our debt is attracting fewer takers. But lets forge ahead, have a quick vote, not wonder what is written, what T is not crossed or I dotted. Just do it. Just spend, baby, spend.
Rush? Yes, that is exactly what we are doing. Rushing to see a take over of 1/6th of our economy. That's a sobering undertaking that should not be rushed. And damn it, read the dam final bill for all to hear, Elected and Electors alike. That's not too much to ask on such a monumental undertaking. Perhaps as did the ever odious Rep. Waxman, we could further mock WE THE PEOPLE by employing a speed reader? It's a joke to some, Rep. Waxman, Rep. Conyers. It's not a joke when close to or over a TRILLION  BUCKS is the opening ante. Keep in mind, whatever final figure we hear, is good for just the first ten years. And that assumes no false assumptions.
mk
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Posted: Jul 31, 2009 - 3:38pm

 Atman wrote:

Only 42 percent of Republican respondents in a Research 2000 survey, conducted for the liberal website Daily Kos, said they thought Obama was a natural born citizen.

Apparently, you are in the 42%.

However you question the 'science' of these things, you gotta admit that 'a lot' (doesn't stretch it to guess ~58%) of republicans, the more religious and irrational/ignorant ones especially, buy into the insanely ridiculous thoughtspeak drummed out for them. I know a couple of them, and I am always astounded at what they appear to think, til I read it on one of those wingnut sites.

Like now, with health care, I hear the drumbeat of 'Obama is rushing the legislation through without due deliberation. Wow, all of a sudden, that line is everywhere. Somewhere they got a zombie lab where they try this bullshitake out til they get some kind of spike in affect. Ok, that's the line start the morse code beat: rushing the legislation. 15 years after it should have passed, btw.
 
So many less people are willing to admit that they are Republicans, because the Party is being attached to the nuts, so that the moderate Repubs are being turned off to the Republican Party. Eve n Michael Steele comes off as a nut, not to mention a token black man in the party of old white men.

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Posted: Jul 31, 2009 - 3:22pm

 musik_knut wrote:

hc,
First, anything 'daily kos' raises my antennae. They are agenda driven all day long, everyday. Second, not responding to an inquiry as to how many individuals were surveyed, raises a few questions. Third, how were the questions worded?
For myself, I'm satisfied that President Obama is a US Citizen. Not all Republicans are nutjobs. LOL

mk
 
Only 42 percent of Republican respondents in a Research 2000 survey, conducted for the liberal website Daily Kos, said they thought Obama was a natural born citizen.

Apparently, you are in the 42%.

However you question the 'science' of these things, you gotta admit that 'a lot' (doesn't stretch it to guess ~58%) of republicans, the more religious and irrational/ignorant ones especially, buy into the insanely ridiculous thoughtspeak drummed out for them. I know a couple of them, and I am always astounded at what they appear to think, til I read it on one of those wingnut sites.

Like now, with health care, I hear the drumbeat of 'Obama is rushing the legislation through without due deliberation. Wow, all of a sudden, that line is everywhere. Somewhere they got a zombie lab where they try this bullshitake out til they get some kind of spike in affect. Ok, that's the line start the morse code beat: rushing the legislation. 15 years after it should have passed, btw.

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Posted: Jul 31, 2009 - 3:20pm

 musik_knut wrote:


islander,
I would disagree on the racist view. As much as I detest racism, deeply detest with every fiber of my being, I hold a considerable disdain for the charge of racism without proof. We, a loosely used 'we', tend to hurl charges without regard to fact. I would also take exception to Mr. Dobbs hating brown people. He's a real tiger on border security. On that, I join him. The statement that Mr. Dobbs hates brown people was born on The Left. Of course, no proof was forthcoming. Just make a personal charge.
Maybe some are now beginning to appreciate, even understand, how unsettling many found it when all manner of comments without the foundation of fact, let alone provided proof, were plastered against Mr. Bush and ALL Republicans. Now that President Obama's ox is being gored, it's just not fun anymore.
The folks, birthers and others, caterwauling about Mr. Obama's citizenship, have problems. Let them be. They'll be yesterday's news before long. Some will persist. We can lump them with the 9/11 conspiracy kooks.
mk

 
I believe that this is 21st Century racism. They can't believe that a black man could be elected as president, and this is they way they present it.

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Posted: Jul 31, 2009 - 3:03pm

 islander wrote:

I agree on the daily kos flag, but Lou "I hate brown people" Dobbs has repeated this on CNN, and several people in fairly high positions (Roy Blunt) are reluctant to disown this position. I do honestly believe that this is just a front for a thinly veiled racist view of "Obama can't be qualified because he is black", but even they know it's too stupid a position to hold openly.
 

islander,
I would disagree on the racist view. As much as I detest racism, deeply detest with every fiber of my being, I hold a considerable disdain for the charge of racism without proof. We, a loosely used 'we', tend to hurl charges without regard to fact. I would also take exception to Mr. Dobbs hating brown people. He's a real tiger on border security. On that, I join him. The statement that Mr. Dobbs hates brown people was born on The Left. Of course, no proof was forthcoming. Just make a personal charge.
Maybe some are now beginning to appreciate, even understand, how unsettling many found it when all manner of comments without the foundation of fact, let alone provided proof, were plastered against Mr. Bush and ALL Republicans. Now that President Obama's ox is being gored, it's just not fun anymore.
The folks, birthers and others, caterwauling about Mr. Obama's citizenship, have problems. Let them be. They'll be yesterday's news before long. Some will persist. We can lump them with the 9/11 conspiracy kooks.
mk
islander

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Posted: Jul 31, 2009 - 2:52pm

 musik_knut wrote:

hc,
First, anything 'daily kos' raises my antennae. They are agenda driven all day long, everyday. Second, not responding to an inquiry as to how many individuals were surveyed, raises a few questions. Third, how were the questions worded?
For myself, I'm satisfied that President Obama is a US Citizen. Not all Republicans are nutjobs. LOL

mk
 
I agree on the daily kos flag, but Lou "I hate brown people" Dobbs has repeated this on CNN, and several people in fairly high positions (Roy Blunt) are reluctant to disown this position. I do honestly believe that this is just a front for a thinly veiled racist view of "Obama can't be qualified because he is black", but even they know it's too stupid a position to hold openly.

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Posted: Jul 31, 2009 - 2:46pm

 hippiechick wrote:

New Poll: Less Than Half Of Republicans Believe Obama Was Born In U.S.

Less than half of Republicans believe that Barack Obama was born in the United States of America, a new public opinion poll finds.

Only 42 percent of Republican respondents in a Research 2000 survey, conducted for the liberal website Daily Kos, said they thought Obama was a natural born citizen; 28 percent said they did not believe Obama was born in the United States; 30 percent said they were not sure.

The responses, which were gathered after several prominent conservative media personalities fed suspicion that Obama was unconstitutionally holding office, show the extent to which the conspiracy has taken hold in the GOP.

That only a plurality of Republicans were willing to acknowledge the president was born in America is nothing short of astounding, considering the preponderance of evidence that confirms his Hawaiian birth.

The conspiracy has a regional flavor. Overall, even including Democrats and independents, only 47 percent of respondents in the South said they believed Obama was born in America, with 23 percent saying he was not and 30 percent saying they were unsure. In the Northeast and Midwest, the percentage of respondents who believe Obama was born in the U.S. was over 90 percent.

Ninety-three percent of Democrats say the president was born in the United States, as do 83 percent of independents.

An email to the survey's authors, asking for the number of individuals surveyed in the Research 2000 poll, was not immediately returned.



 
hc,
First, anything 'daily kos' raises my antennae. They are agenda driven all day long, everyday. Second, not responding to an inquiry as to how many individuals were surveyed, raises a few questions. Third, how were the questions worded?
For myself, I'm satisfied that President Obama is a US Citizen. Not all Republicans are nutjobs. LOL

mk

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Posted: Jul 31, 2009 - 7:36am

New Poll: Less Than Half Of Republicans Believe Obama Was Born In U.S.

Less than half of Republicans believe that Barack Obama was born in the United States of America, a new public opinion poll finds.

Only 42 percent of Republican respondents in a Research 2000 survey, conducted for the liberal website Daily Kos, said they thought Obama was a natural born citizen; 28 percent said they did not believe Obama was born in the United States; 30 percent said they were not sure.

The responses, which were gathered after several prominent conservative media personalities fed suspicion that Obama was unconstitutionally holding office, show the extent to which the conspiracy has taken hold in the GOP.

That only a plurality of Republicans were willing to acknowledge the president was born in America is nothing short of astounding, considering the preponderance of evidence that confirms his Hawaiian birth.

The conspiracy has a regional flavor. Overall, even including Democrats and independents, only 47 percent of respondents in the South said they believed Obama was born in America, with 23 percent saying he was not and 30 percent saying they were unsure. In the Northeast and Midwest, the percentage of respondents who believe Obama was born in the U.S. was over 90 percent.

Ninety-three percent of Democrats say the president was born in the United States, as do 83 percent of independents.

An email to the survey's authors, asking for the number of individuals surveyed in the Research 2000 poll, was not immediately returned.


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Posted: May 4, 2009 - 3:11pm

 hippiechick wrote:

Joe The Plumber: I Would Never Let "Queers" Near My Children

Joe the Plumber, aka Samuel Wurzelbacher, sat down for an lengthy interview with Christianity Today to discuss his views on the future of the Republican party. Wurzelbacher took the opportunity to...

...

In the vein of George W. Bush and Michael Steele, Joe the Plumber also indicated that he wouldn't run for public office until the Lord had given him a cue. "God hasn't said, 'Joe, I want you to run.' I feel more important to just encourage people to get involved, one way or another. If I can inspire some leaders, that would be great." Joe added: "I don't know if I want to be a leader."

  When is he going to go away? Poor devil got thrust into the spotlight, and doesn't have the good sense to step back out of it.


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Posted: May 4, 2009 - 3:05pm

Joe The Plumber: I Would Never Let "Queers" Near My Children

Joe the Plumber, aka Samuel Wurzelbacher, sat down for an lengthy interview with Christianity Today to discuss his views on the future of the Republican party. Wurzelbacher took the opportunity to speak out against gay marriage, which he says is wrong. The unlikely conservative spokesman went so far as to say he doesn't allow openly gay people "anywhere near" his children.

The word "queer," Wurzelbacher noted, "means strange and unusual."

Christianity Today: In the last month, same-sex marriage has become legal in Iowa and Vermont. What do you think about same-sex marriage at a state level?


Wurzelbacher: At a state level, it's up to them. I don't want it to be a federal thing. I personally still think it's wrong. People don't understand the dictionary—it's called queer. Queer means strange and unusual. It's not like a slur, like you would call a white person a honky or something like that. You know, God is pretty explicit in what we're supposed to do—what man and woman are for. Now, at the same time, we're supposed to love everybody and accept people, and preach against the sins. I've had some friends that are actually homosexual. And, I mean, they know where I stand, and they know that I wouldn't have them anywhere near my children. But at the same time, they're people, and they're going to do their thing.

In the vein of George W. Bush and Michael Steele, Joe the Plumber also indicated that he wouldn't run for public office until the Lord had given him a cue. "God hasn't said, 'Joe, I want you to run.' I feel more important to just encourage people to get involved, one way or another. If I can inspire some leaders, that would be great." Joe added: "I don't know if I want to be a leader."


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Posted: Apr 16, 2009 - 8:33pm

 pdhski wrote:

Slur? So if you admit to filing away posts IN YOUR MEMORY (she did not specify how it was done) how can it be a slur?

And my how you flatter yourself freely with this imagined adoration.  Methinks your wounded pride and attempt to color Ali as an ad hominem attacker are both pure BS.

I'm afraid it speaks volumes about your true character, especially if you try to hold yourself up against Ali. 

 
Thank you, Peter.

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Posted: Apr 15, 2009 - 1:11pm

 Beaker wrote:
Be ready at any time to swallow your post whole.
 
How come when I try out this line, it never works? 



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Posted: Apr 15, 2009 - 12:18pm

 Beaker wrote:

Dood,  I'll be mocking you as the unrepentant liar that you are, until you man up and remedy that.

Until then, please continue to enjoy your status as the first and only proven liar I've encountered here on RP.

{#Crown}
 
Let me guess, you got your "proof" from the same guy who emailed that tip about the staged troop meeting, right?

{#Wink}
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Posted: Apr 15, 2009 - 11:56am

 Beaker wrote:

Y'know what they say ... the truth - verifiable provable truth - eventually will emerge.  Be ready at any time to swallow your post whole.

 

Dood, I thought you were ignoring me?

I'm sorry, you're right, Beak, it is unfair of me to question the lack of verification in HotAir's "Obama's troop encounter was staged" story.  Their straw grasping is clearly beyond reproach.
I don't know what got into me.

So what you're saying is that it's OK for HotAir to engage in unsubstantiated rumormongering, because eventually someone there will actually do some checking to back up their story?  Will they publish a retraction if they find out that the suggestion contained in the anonymous email was untrue?  Does the Pope live in the woods?
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Posted: Apr 15, 2009 - 11:37am

 Beaker wrote:


Ah.  I see this slur claims you as a fan too.  Sad to see the use of such veiled insults, but not unexpected.

Newsflash Ali — there is no filing system, real or imagined.  Just my good memory — and that I know how to use Google to ferret out stuff posted on RP.  But hey, like other past slurs against my character here, I'm sure this one will raise its head again and again, no matter how many times I explain it to y'all.  I'm afraid it says a great deal more about the person who utters the slur than it does me.

 
Too bad you aren't using that brilliant brain for something more constructive.

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Posted: Apr 15, 2009 - 11:11am

Beaker wrote:


Ah. I see this slur claims you as a fan too. Sad to see the use of such veiled insults, but not unexpected.

Newsflash Ali — there is no filing system, real or imagined. Just my good memory — and that I know how to use Google to ferret out stuff posted on RP. But hey, like other past slurs against my character here, I'm sure this one will raise its head again and again, no matter how many times I explain it to y'all. I'm afraid it says a great deal more about the person who utters the slur than it does me.


Slur? So if you admit to filing away posts IN YOUR MEMORY (she did not specify how it was done) how can it be a slur?

And my how you flatter yourself freely with this imagined adoration.  Methinks your wounded pride and attempt to color Ali as an ad hominem attacker are both pure BS.

I'm afraid it speaks volumes about your true character, especially if you try to hold yourself up against Ali. 
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Posted: Apr 15, 2009 - 9:38am

 hippiechick wrote:
Crook

http://thebruceblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/ted-stevens.jpg

 

Not any more....
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Posted: Apr 15, 2009 - 9:30am

 Monkeysdad wrote:


And one thing for sure: While toxic right-wing propaganda and toxic assets were getting spread around the world I never heard, not once, a cry from the left/democratic structure that the sky was falling.  


Upon passage (with bipartisan support) of legislation repealing the Glass-Steagal Act in 1999, that allowed entities like AIG to become both banks and securities traders (and insurers):

The decision to repeal the Glass-Steagall Act of 1933 provoked dire warnings from a handful of dissenters that the deregulation of Wall Street would someday wreak havoc on the nation's financial system. The original idea behind Glass-Steagall was that separation between bankers and brokers would reduce the potential conflicts of interest that were thought to have contributed to the speculative stock frenzy before the Depression . . .

The opponents of the measure gloomily predicted that by unshackling banks and enabling them to move more freely into new kinds of financial activities, the new law could lead to an economic crisis down the road when the marketplace is no longer growing briskly.

''I think we will look back in 10 years' time and say we should not have done this but we did because we forgot the lessons of the past, and that that which is true in the 1930's is true in 2010,'' said Senator Byron L. Dorgan, Democrat of North Dakota. ''I wasn't around during the 1930's or the debate over Glass-Steagall. But I was here in the early 1980's when it was decided to allow the expansion of savings and loans. We have now decided in the name of modernization to forget the lessons of the past, of safety and of soundness.''

Senator Paul Wellstone, Democrat of Minnesota, said that Congress had ''seemed determined to unlearn the lessons from our past mistakes.''

''Scores of banks failed in the Great Depression as a result of unsound banking practices, and their failure only deepened the crisis,'' Mr. Wellstone said. ''Glass-Steagall was intended to protect our financial system by insulating commercial banking from other forms of risk. It was one of several stabilizers designed to keep a similar tragedy from recurring. Now Congress is about to repeal that economic stabilizer without putting any comparable safeguard in its place.''




SOURCE


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Posted: Apr 15, 2009 - 9:27am

 aflanigan wrote:
Urban legends are fun, aren't they? 

  1. kgb999 | April 14th, 2009 at 03:15 pm

    Is it just me, or is “Hot Air” one of the most appropriately named sites on the web?



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Posted: Apr 15, 2009 - 9:19am

 Beaker wrote:

Its late, but here's just one wee bit of balloon deflater for the O-bots like yourself who against all reason wish to believe things to be other than they are:

“How do you make sure a crowd likes you? Screen out anybody who didn’t vote for you. Even if they’re serving their country under your watch.”

G'Nite.
 

Urban legends are fun, aren't they?

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