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Posted: Jan 21, 2021 - 5:51am



 kurtster wrote:

Ditto, do not post my poly thoughts anywhere else but here, too.

I saw Brennan utter this threat yesterday as well.  I'm more a small "l" libertarian than anything else when push comes to shove, but I had to hitch my horse to someone and it was Trump.  Anyway, this is war on the 1st Amendment.  And AOC is pushing to become the Truth Minister.

These are very dangerous times for anyone who has the nerve to just simply disagree with the left's POV.  It is more than a cancelling, it is a purge.  The heads up on this was back when Pelosi led the purge of the Blue Dogs from the democratic party.
 

And so the revisionism starts. He was your guy all the way. He actually did what you said you wanted him to - "burn the place down". You cheered his every move and refused to ever find fault. 

As to the rest, I suspect it will be like the great Obama gun grab. You remember that right? When he took all the guns, left everyone defenseless and instituted Kenyanism.  If yo udo manage to get yourself purged/canceled, I bet there will be pretty good reason for it. A lot of the 1/6 insurrectionists are finding themselves canceled, and I'm not going to shed a tear for them.
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Posted: Jan 21, 2021 - 5:00am

 sirdroseph wrote:
I feel pretty safe in here, but fortunately saw the writing on the wall and have not posted my personal political opinions anywhere else but here, but Lazy, miami and any other "insurgent" libertarians, watch your 6!{#Eek}
 
 
Ditto, do not post my poly thoughts anywhere else but here, too.

I saw Brennan utter this threat yesterday as well.  I'm more a small "l" libertarian than anything else when push comes to shove, but I had to hitch my horse to someone and it was Trump.  Anyway, this is war on the 1st Amendment.  And AOC is pushing to become the Truth Minister.

These are very dangerous times for anyone who has the nerve to just simply disagree with the left's POV.  It is more than a cancelling, it is a purge.  The heads up on this was back when Pelosi led the purge of the Blue Dogs from the democratic party.
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Posted: Jan 21, 2021 - 4:14am

I feel pretty safe in here, but fortunately saw the writing on the wall and have not posted my personal political opinions anywhere else but here, but Lazy, miami and any other "insurgent" libertarians, watch your 6!{#Eek}
 

John Brennan Gives the Plan Away: Biden Officials Moving in “Laser Light Fashion” to Identify and “Root Out” Political Opposition from Population

 
 
 

Former CIA Director John Brennan, the man who weaponized the CIA to target Hillary Clinton’s political opposition, appeared on MSNBC Wednesday to outline Joe Biden administration plan to identify political enemies, label them domestic terrorists and then “root them out” of the population.

Brennan is talking about Trump supporters here but would not even utter Donald Trump’s name.

John Brennan: I know… the members of the Biden team who have been nominated or have been appointed are now moving in laser light fashion to try to uncover as much as they can about what looks very similar to insurgency movements we’ve seen overseas. Where they germinate in different parts of the country and they gain strength, and it brings together an unholy alliance frequently of religious extremists, authoritarians, fascists, bigots, racists, nativists, even libertarians. And unfortunately, I think there has been this momentum that has been generated unfortunately I think of the demagogue of rhetoric of people that’s just departed government but also those who continue in the halls of Congress. So I really do think that the law enforcement, homeland security, intelligence and even the defense officials are doing everything possible to root out what seems to be a very, very serious, and insidious threat to our democracy and our republic.

Even Libertarians will not be safe.

These are dangerous people.

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Posted: Jan 21, 2021 - 4:00am

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Posted: Jan 20, 2021 - 1:24pm



 Isabeau wrote:
I find it fascinating that in view of what just happened there is a sudden cry of "UNITY!!" among the right. 

"C'mon, let's stop this and get A-long!"  .  .  . by those facing the punch from the other guy.

Yet, there's Tucker Carlson belittling AOC's claim of feeling the riot could result in congressional fatalities. He mocked her, calling her vacuous and over dramatizing. Meanwhile defending the white couple that pointed guns at BLM protesters outside their home, that they were sure their "lives, home and property were in danger."

Where is this call for 'UNITY' as long as a middle school mindset of who-can-put-the-other-down-the-most still exists on Fox "News?"



 

That’s why the GOP has lost its standing and is a dead party. It has no moral compass, no backbone, and lives & breathes a hollow flag-waving/flag-wearing jingoism. Buried somewhere may be some reasonable policies of limiting the size of government, but the party is dead.
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Posted: Jan 20, 2021 - 1:05pm

 Isabeau wrote:
But,... but... the world LOVES the USA's public funding of their Global Corporate Security System.  That's how they can provide basic Health Care for all of their citizens and why the US cannot.

Here we are dying by the thousands, within our own borders, not by an external source, but a biological one ... tell me again what we are impoverishing ourselves to bloat the military to PROTECT us from? And if a country's people are dying at such a rate ... What exactly is their Military 'protecting?'

Inquiring minds?

 
Well Trump was doing something about.  Made great strides in turning down the heat in the Middle East with 3 new peace treaties. First POTUS in decades to not start any new wars and got the EU to start paying more towards their own defense for the first time in decades. Made us energy independent for the first time in 70 years so we could keep money in the country for our own needs lowering our cost of living overall rather than sending it overseas to unappreciative bastids who do not work in our best interest. One of the biggest reasons the establishment needed to get rid of him. 

So that is evil ?  Well we'll see how health care works for the EU going forward when they have to spend more of their money for defense and less on other things.  And now we can start exporting money again to our enemies as Biden closes down our domestic oil production and returns us to energy dependency and more wars over oil.

That is what you voted for.
Isabeau

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Posted: Jan 20, 2021 - 12:49pm



 black321 wrote:


 Isabeau wrote:


 haresfur wrote:


 black321 wrote:


 cc_rider wrote:

It's not a coincidence racial divisions have increased since the end of the military draft. People from different backgrounds are not thrown together the way the draft did. And that was no cakewalk either, obviously. But I like to imagine there are no racists in foxholes. Not for long, anyway.

I'm not advocating  the military draft per se, but a 'National Service' program has some appeal. 'Americorps' is a pretty good model - Habitat relies on them, or used to(?) for building houses. Scale their model up for everyone to participate - voluntarily, but with incentives like tuition/education assistance, room and board, stipend for incidentals, et al. Just an idea - not a new one, either.
c.

 
sounds socialist. 


 
Well, having a military is socialist. You could just outsource and privatize the whole thing to Blackwater

 
But,... but... the world LOVES the USA's public funding of their Global Corporate Security System.  That's how they can provide basic Health Care for all of their citizens and why the US cannot.

Here we are dying by the thousands, within our own borders, not by an external source, but a biological one ... tell me again what we are impoverishing ourselves to bloat the military to PROTECT us from? And if a country's people are dying at such a rate ... What exactly is their Military 'protecting?'

Inquiring minds?

 
Same reason why gun sales skyrocketed last year,
to sit on the shelf and rust

 
*Puffs up Chest*    "But Hey, I got 'em." 


black321

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Posted: Jan 20, 2021 - 10:09am



 Isabeau wrote:


 haresfur wrote:


 black321 wrote:


 cc_rider wrote:

It's not a coincidence racial divisions have increased since the end of the military draft. People from different backgrounds are not thrown together the way the draft did. And that was no cakewalk either, obviously. But I like to imagine there are no racists in foxholes. Not for long, anyway.

I'm not advocating  the military draft per se, but a 'National Service' program has some appeal. 'Americorps' is a pretty good model - Habitat relies on them, or used to(?) for building houses. Scale their model up for everyone to participate - voluntarily, but with incentives like tuition/education assistance, room and board, stipend for incidentals, et al. Just an idea - not a new one, either.
c.

 
sounds socialist. 


 
Well, having a military is socialist. You could just outsource and privatize the whole thing to Blackwater

 
But,... but... the world LOVES the USA's public funding of their Global Corporate Security System.  That's how they can provide basic Health Care for all of their citizens and why the US cannot.

Here we are dying by the thousands, within our own borders, not by an external source, but a biological one ... tell me again what we are impoverishing ourselves to bloat the military to PROTECT us from? And if a country's people are dying at such a rate ... What exactly is their Military 'protecting?'

Inquiring minds?

 
Same reason why gun sales skyrocketed last year,
to sit on the shelf and rust

miamizsun

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Posted: Jan 20, 2021 - 10:06am

 haresfur wrote:
 black321 wrote:
sounds socialist. 
 
Well, having a military is socialist. You could just outsource and privatize the whole thing to Blackwater

 

will i be able to direct my tax dollars to buy butter instead of guns?

because if i can...
Isabeau

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Posted: Jan 20, 2021 - 10:01am



 haresfur wrote:


 black321 wrote:


 cc_rider wrote:

It's not a coincidence racial divisions have increased since the end of the military draft. People from different backgrounds are not thrown together the way the draft did. And that was no cakewalk either, obviously. But I like to imagine there are no racists in foxholes. Not for long, anyway.

I'm not advocating  the military draft per se, but a 'National Service' program has some appeal. 'Americorps' is a pretty good model - Habitat relies on them, or used to(?) for building houses. Scale their model up for everyone to participate - voluntarily, but with incentives like tuition/education assistance, room and board, stipend for incidentals, et al. Just an idea - not a new one, either.
c.

 
sounds socialist. 


 
Well, having a military is socialist. You could just outsource and privatize the whole thing to Blackwater

 
But,... but... the world LOVES the USA's public funding of their Global Corporate Security System.  That's how they can provide basic Health Care for all of their citizens and why the US cannot.

Here we are dying by the thousands, within our own borders, not by an external source, but a biological one ... tell me again what we are impoverishing ourselves to bloat the military to PROTECT us from? And if a country's people are dying at such a rate ... What exactly is their Military 'protecting?'

Inquiring minds?

haresfur

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Posted: Jan 19, 2021 - 1:53pm



 black321 wrote:


 cc_rider wrote:


 miamizsun wrote:


well there are some who think that boots are made for walking too

however, walking a mile in someone's shoes could lead to empathy, understanding, friendship and shared mutual interests/solutions

weaponizing the vehicle and the journey gets you blisters and eventually bunions

and according to the late philosopher dr willy scholl opposing and divisive bunions isn't winning
 
It's not a coincidence racial divisions have increased since the end of the military draft. People from different backgrounds are not thrown together the way the draft did. And that was no cakewalk either, obviously. But I like to imagine there are no racists in foxholes. Not for long, anyway.

I'm not advocating  the military draft per se, but a 'National Service' program has some appeal. 'Americorps' is a pretty good model - Habitat relies on them, or used to(?) for building houses. Scale their model up for everyone to participate - voluntarily, but with incentives like tuition/education assistance, room and board, stipend for incidentals, et al. Just an idea - not a new one, either.
c.

 
sounds socialist. 


 
Well, having a military is socialist. You could just outsource and privatize the whole thing to Blackwater

westslope

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Posted: Jan 19, 2021 - 10:48am



 black321 wrote:


 cc_rider wrote:
........
I'm not advocating  the military draft per se, but a 'National Service' program has some appeal. 'Americorps' is a pretty good model - Habitat relies on them, or used to(?) for building houses. Scale their model up for everyone to participate - voluntarily, but with incentives like tuition/education assistance, room and board, stipend for incidentals, et al. Just an idea - not a new one, either.
c.

 
sounds socialist. 


 
New American rule of thumb:   If it sounds socialist (whatever that means), it is probably truly worthy of serious consideration. 

Isabeau

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Posted: Jan 19, 2021 - 10:39am



 sirdroseph wrote:
 
Hating, yes. Angry, confused, curious and scared, no.

sirdroseph

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Posted: Jan 19, 2021 - 4:16am

Isabeau

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Posted: Jan 15, 2021 - 2:14pm

I find it fascinating that in view of what just happened there is a sudden cry of "UNITY!!" among the right. 

"C'mon, let's stop this and get A-long!"  .  .  . by those facing the punch from the other guy.

Yet, there's Tucker Carlson belittling AOC's claim of feeling the riot could result in congressional fatalities. He mocked her, calling her vacuous and over dramatizing. Meanwhile defending the white couple that pointed guns at BLM protesters outside their home, that they were sure their "lives, home and property were in danger."

Where is this call for 'UNITY' as long as a middle school mindset of who-can-put-the-other-down-the-most still exists on Fox "News?"



miamizsun

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Posted: Jan 15, 2021 - 9:33am

 cc_rider wrote:
Excellent point. Does the military actually just reflect society? Same could be said about LEOs - two groups well-represented in the Capitol attack. Have they become training grounds for extremism?
c.
 

part of the challenge with law enforcement and the military and the rules/laws

seems there's a disconnect between politicians making a rule and backing it up in the field

politicians are shielded from the consequences of bad rules/laws

example: politicians with good intentions pass a rule that turns out to be unjust/legit

cop or soldier shows up and says...you are under arrest

citizen says this is obviously wrong/unjust

and the cop says...wait for it...i don't make the laws i just enforce them

so the politician is shielded from the consequences and the cop looks like the bad guy

same shyte with the military too

horrible foreign policy and soldiers are left to "follow orders" regardless

when bad rules/laws are made how do we keep that in check?

how do we correct the law that well intended law that has terrible outcomes?

too many rules and regs makes for a super complex system to navigate

and "ignorance of the law is no excuse" was put in place when there was only a handful of laws

today? reams of laws that professional lawyers have difficulty interpreting 

and the person on the street has little or no idea of the complexity

i don't know how they expect to keep piling on rules and think that it will solve anything


black321

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Posted: Jan 15, 2021 - 8:38am



 cc_rider wrote:


 miamizsun wrote:


well there are some who think that boots are made for walking too

however, walking a mile in someone's shoes could lead to empathy, understanding, friendship and shared mutual interests/solutions

weaponizing the vehicle and the journey gets you blisters and eventually bunions

and according to the late philosopher dr willy scholl opposing and divisive bunions isn't winning
 
It's not a coincidence racial divisions have increased since the end of the military draft. People from different backgrounds are not thrown together the way the draft did. And that was no cakewalk either, obviously. But I like to imagine there are no racists in foxholes. Not for long, anyway.

I'm not advocating  the military draft per se, but a 'National Service' program has some appeal. 'Americorps' is a pretty good model - Habitat relies on them, or used to(?) for building houses. Scale their model up for everyone to participate - voluntarily, but with incentives like tuition/education assistance, room and board, stipend for incidentals, et al. Just an idea - not a new one, either.
c.

 
sounds socialist. 

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Posted: Jan 15, 2021 - 8:28am



 haresfur wrote:





 
Seems to me that in the US there is a lot of racial/ethnic diversity in the military because it is one of the few paths for economically disadvantaged young people. Correct me if I'm wrong. The question then is, how is the military doing such a poor job of education, integration, and monitoring for extremism that so many come out supporting racial extremism. 

 
Excellent point. Does the military actually just reflect society? Same could be said about LEOs - two groups well-represented in the Capitol attack. Have they become training grounds for extremism?
c.

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Posted: Jan 14, 2021 - 3:19pm



 cc_rider wrote:


 miamizsun wrote:


well there are some who think that boots are made for walking too

however, walking a mile in someone's shoes could lead to empathy, understanding, friendship and shared mutual interests/solutions

weaponizing the vehicle and the journey gets you blisters and eventually bunions

and according to the late philosopher dr willy scholl opposing and divisive bunions isn't winning
 
It's not a coincidence racial divisions have increased since the end of the military draft. People from different backgrounds are not thrown together the way the draft did. And that was no cakewalk either, obviously. But I like to imagine there are no racists in foxholes. Not for long, anyway.

I'm not advocating  the military draft per se, but a 'National Service' program has some appeal. 'Americorps' is a pretty good model - Habitat relies on them, or used to(?) for building houses. Scale their model up for everyone to participate - voluntarily, but with incentives like tuition/education assistance, room and board, stipend for incidentals, et al. Just an idea - not a new one, either.
c.

 
Seems to me that in the US there is a lot of racial/ethnic diversity in the military because it is one of the few paths for economically disadvantaged young people. Correct me if I'm wrong. The question then is, how is the military doing such a poor job of education, integration, and monitoring for extremism that so many come out supporting racial extremism. 

cc_rider

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Posted: Jan 14, 2021 - 2:44pm



 miamizsun wrote:


well there are some who think that boots are made for walking too

however, walking a mile in someone's shoes could lead to empathy, understanding, friendship and shared mutual interests/solutions

weaponizing the vehicle and the journey gets you blisters and eventually bunions

and according to the late philosopher dr willy scholl opposing and divisive bunions isn't winning
 
It's not a coincidence racial divisions have increased since the end of the military draft. People from different backgrounds are not thrown together the way the draft did. And that was no cakewalk either, obviously. But I like to imagine there are no racists in foxholes. Not for long, anyway.

I'm not advocating  the military draft per se, but a 'National Service' program has some appeal. 'Americorps' is a pretty good model - Habitat relies on them, or used to(?) for building houses. Scale their model up for everyone to participate - voluntarily, but with incentives like tuition/education assistance, room and board, stipend for incidentals, et al. Just an idea - not a new one, either.
c.

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