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Posted: Jul 28, 2020 - 4:37pm



 miamizsun wrote:
 

Cancel culture inevitably come for all of us.

RIP Mike Adams, by way of suicide.

#CancelCancelCulture
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Posted: Jul 28, 2020 - 11:10am

Feck Off!
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Posted: Jul 28, 2020 - 7:58am

tolerance? what tolerance?

we don't need no stinking tolerance!
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Posted: Jun 14, 2016 - 8:37am

 oldviolin wrote:

Opportunistic radicalism and rigid agenda mindsets powered by electronic media will become increasingly portentous of violent confrontation and vengeful perpetuation... As the world turns so do the screws, selfish concerns signaling impassioned arrows to this arc or that. Fear. Anger. Hatred. Self righteousness. Pride. All futility. All vanity. All saturating. All evolving.

{#Good-vibes}

Or not

 
: clicking fingers, sipping an expresso :

Cool, man, cool....

{#Meditate} 
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Posted: Jun 14, 2016 - 8:18am

 miamizsun wrote:
{#Wave}

 
Opportunistic radicalism and rigid agenda mindsets powered by electronic media will become increasingly portentous of violent confrontation and vengeful perpetuation... As the world turns so do the screws, selfish concerns signaling impassioned arrows to this arc or that. Fear. Anger. Hatred. Self righteousness. Pride. All futility. All vanity. All saturating. All evolving.

{#Good-vibes}

Or not


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Posted: Jun 14, 2016 - 8:02am

{#Wave}
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Posted: Jan 26, 2009 - 1:10pm

 maryte wrote:


That article actually raises more questions than it answers.  But the bottom line is that men who ejaculate more often (whether with a partner or alone) generally have a higher sex drive, which means higher testosterone levels - and that's where more clinical studies indicate the increased incidence of prostate cancer stems from.  Now, I'm not a doctor, but 1) my father died of prostate cancer which metastasized to his spine, and 2) I spent six years working for a small pharma that specialized in oncology, so I've seen a *lot* of the literature, not to mention my father's case.

But, back to your concerns:  why is it that if I think smoking is a bad idea, but have no objections to your smoking (as long as it's not in my house), I'm being intolerant?

  Ummm... I never said that. What I said was that sometimes what is held to be only 'sensible' is, nonetheless, intolerance. You know, like inter-racial marriages were, at one time, considered to not be sensible, that is, they ran against the grain of the then-current cultural view of what was acceptable. A blanket derogation of one person's choice to smoke, without a fuller understanding of what the componenets of that choice are (if you would but read through my last few posts on this topic), nor even a willingness to give oepn-minded consideration of that persons's views and choices, is itself evidence of prejudice.

*edit* sorry, I posted that without editing my grammar and spellllloing.


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Posted: Jan 26, 2009 - 12:49pm

 jadewahoo wrote:
Again, no doubt. Anything we do increases our risk of some health disorder, form the food we eat to the amount of sex we, as men, hve in oour early 20's (more sex = higher incidence of prostate cancer in later life. This includes masturbation). So, shall we all agree that it is healthier to not fuck, eat, drink or smoke? I thought so. Ok, so we choose our experience of life. and each one has its consequences. Like I said before, I choose to avoid the cities whenever possible. The major benefit that brings to the health of my lungs is one factor that allows me the greater freedom of choicer as to puffing a tobacco. I personally have no need to defend my choice. I have only sought to bring forth a consideration that what so many hold as to be 'sensible' is in fact intolerance.

 

That article actually raises more questions than it answers.  But the bottom line is that men who ejaculate more often (whether with a partner or alone) generally have a higher sex drive, which means higher testosterone levels - and that's where more clinical studies indicate the increased incidence of prostate cancer stems from.  Now, I'm not a doctor, but 1) my father died of prostate cancer which metastasized to his spine, and 2) I spent six years working for a small pharma that specialized in oncology, so I've seen a *lot* of the literature, not to mention my father's case.

But, back to your concerns:  why is it that if I think smoking is a bad idea, but have no objections to your smoking (as long as it's not in my house), I'm being intolerant?
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Posted: Jan 26, 2009 - 12:39pm

 Johray63 wrote:

That brings some memorable movies to mind! Midnight Cowboy, Crocodile Dundee, for instance : )
 
I fell in love with Dundee!

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Posted: Jan 26, 2009 - 12:37pm

 MayBaby wrote:

Oh I agree! I couldn't make it in "their" world and "they" couldn't make it in mine. But if I was born into it... yanno.
 
That brings some memorable movies to mind! Midnight Cowboy, Crocodile Dundee, for instance : )

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Posted: Jan 26, 2009 - 12:31pm

 islander wrote:

How many years do I lose for using the new post editor?

 

we're pretty tolerant here, I wouldnt worry too much
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Posted: Jan 26, 2009 - 12:29pm


How many years do I lose for using the new post editor?
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Posted: Jan 26, 2009 - 12:18pm

 jadewahoo wrote:
Again, no doubt. Anything we do increases our risk of some health disorder, form the food we eat to the amount of sex we, as men, hve in oour early 20's (more sex = higher incidence of prostate cancer in later life. This includes masturbation). So, shall we all agree that it is healthier to not fuck, eat, drink or smoke? I thought so. Ok, so we choose our experience of life. and each one has its consequences. Like I said before, I choose to avoid the cities whenever possible. The major benefit that brings to the health of my lungs is one factor that allows me the greater freedom of choicer as to puffing a tobacco. I personally have no need to defend my choice. I have only sought to bring forth a consideration that what so many hold as to be 'sensible' is in fact intolerance.
 
{#Eek} Great now I have to worry about that too?



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Posted: Jan 26, 2009 - 12:11pm

 pdhski wrote:

Jade, this is meant in no way to diminish your connection to, or choice in the way you believe and worship.  However, many studies have been conducted since the 70's that show further connections to even limited smoke exposure. 

Peace.

{#Cowboy}

  Again, no doubt. Anything we do increases our risk of some health disorder, form the food we eat to the amount of sex we, as men, hve in oour early 20's (more sex = higher incidence of prostate cancer in later life. This includes masturbation). So, shall we all agree that it is healthier to not fuck, eat, drink or smoke? I thought so. Ok, so we choose our experience of life. and each one has its consequences. Like I said before, I choose to avoid the cities whenever possible. The major benefit that brings to the health of my lungs is one factor that allows me the greater freedom of choicer as to puffing a tobacco. I personally have no need to defend my choice. I have only sought to bring forth a consideration that what so many hold as to be 'sensible' is in fact intolerance.


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Posted: Jan 26, 2009 - 12:10pm

 Johray63 wrote:

That sounds a bit like "men never added anything really necessary to what was already there, since humans exist".  I sometimes think about modern life like that, but at the same time realize I wouldn't stand a chance in the jungle, so go for another supermarket visit, instead of hunting (etc.) ;-)
 
Oh I agree! I couldn't make it in "their" world and "they" couldn't make it in mine. But if I was born into it... yanno.

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Posted: Jan 26, 2009 - 12:06pm

A very good friend from my childhood, an old-school hippy who taught me a great deal about life, smoked nothing but her own hand-rolled Drum tobacco. She is a vibrant, loving, good-humored person who gave a lot of herself to her students, her kids, and her grandkids.

She is currently dying of lung cancer.

Anecdotes don't make for good science but they sure bring it home.
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Posted: Jan 26, 2009 - 12:05pm

 MayBaby wrote:

No sorries... 

I believe that greed is at the root of all of the destruction. If people would just "do the right thing" yanno. It's not gonna happen. I will continue to live a simple peaceful life despite all the bullshit. Sometimes I wish I were born into a "third world" tribe. Think about it. It would be so much simpler... I don't care for the running from the lions part tho ; )
 
That sounds a bit like "men never added anything really necessary to what was already there, since humans exist".  I sometimes think about modern life like that, but at the same time realize I wouldn't stand a chance in the jungle, so go for another supermarket visit, instead of hunting (etc.) ;-)

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Posted: Jan 26, 2009 - 12:03pm

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When I was a smoker I smoked tailormades (hand rolled) using Virginia tobacco (it was sold in bulk by a local tobacconist; Export A was the best tasting comercially available stuff around, although the Drum brand Stu mentioned wasn't bad).  I doubt I could have managed to resist inhaling because frankly Virginia tobacco without all the chemical processing tastes pretty damned good.  My hat's off to you if you can puff on a tailormade without inhaling!

Without checking the numerous studies that have been done, however, I suspect that while smoking untainted tobacco, or even puffing without inhaling, could plausibly reduce the risk of cancer, one would probably still be at greater risk of lung cancer or (for puffers) oral cancer than a nonsmoker.  After all, tobacco use including snuff, chew, and smoking in various forms has been suspected as damaging to health for quite some time by doctors and others; was not the correlation between illness and early death and smoking established before it became commonplace to add all sorts of chemicals like saltpeter and flavorings to cigarettes?  Doesn't burning even untreated tobacco produce nasty stuff that, if inhaled repeatedly into the lungs, damage them?
 
No doubt. I am not here to say tobacco smoking is the cleanest  and purest past time one might indulge in. Rather, I was seeking to provide some insight that would promote a greater tolerance amongst the rabid anti-tobacco people. As a conscientious smoker, I amvery aware of those around me when I smoke. Even at home I smoke out on my deck, not in the house, except for during the Shamanic healing sesions I offer, where the use of tobacco as a sacrament is an integral part of the event.

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Posted: Jan 26, 2009 - 11:59am

jadewahoo wrote:

Simply put... NO. I remember reading the research parers from the University of Berkely, Ca (circa 1972) upon which the original denouncement of cigarettes was made by the Surgeon General. It stated that 92% of the carcinogens in a cigarette are in the gum of the paper that binds the cigarettes in a tube. Having said that, I do not recommend that any one start smoking cigarettes (reasons given in the previous post). As Stu has mentioned, the abuse of tobacco is a corruption of yet another sacred of the Earth People. Addictive smoking is not the intended purpose of the sacred Grandfather Tobacco.

If you feel that strongly about your belief that tobacco is harmful, I would suggest that you a) don't smoke and b) avoid places where one is apt to be exposed to tobacco smoke. I have to make a similar choice regarding not exposing myself to the toxic environs that your cities are immersed in. I choose not to breathe your polluted air, so I stay out of your cities, best I can.

The hypocrisy of this culture against tobacco is that while you rant against the harms of tobacco, you will do so while walking down a street of your city, inhaling a toxic mish-mash of poisons being expelled from your exhaust pipes. Thinking that you (again, the big you, not you personally) are being so enviromentally correct, you want to increase the number of electric vehicles in your cities. That electricity is being produced by the coal fired power plants of the Four Corners area and our people are suffering from black lung and quality of life denigration so that you can drive your 'green' cars. Your culture would deny us our sacrament and means of commune with the Spirits of our relationship while you destroy the very places where those Spirits are best found: in meditation in the quiet and undisturbed places of nature.

"Most people who smoke cigars, do so on an occasional rather than a regular or daily basis, and tend not to inhale the smoke deep into the lungs. The alkaline pH of cigar smoke means that the nicotine it contains is readily absorbed through the oral mucosa. Cigar smokers therefore receive a high smoke exposure to the mouth and tongue, and constituents of smoke in their saliva are swallowed, resulting in higher risks of oral and esophageal cancers. In regular cigar smokers, this risk is similar to that of cigarette smokers.

In cigar smokers who do not inhale the smoke deeply, the risk of laryngeal cancer is less than that of cigarette smokers, as are the risks of lung cancer, other lung disease and heart disease. However, the risk of developing disease increases with extent of exposure to cigar smoke. Daily smoking (with moderate inhalation) of five cigars provides a disease risk profile similar to that of a typical pack-a-day cigarette smoker."

National Cancer Institute. Cigars: health effects and trends. Smoking and Tobacco Control Monographs, Monograph 9. Rockville, MD: National Cancer Institute, US National Institutes of Health; 1998. Available from: http://cancercontrol.cancer.gov/tcrb/monographs/9/index.html

"Manufactured loose tobacco, hand-rolled into cigarette paper and smoked with or without a filter, causes the same range of diseases as smoking manufactured cigarettes. Variations in quantity of tobacco used per cigarette and filtration make measurements of individual exposure more difficult to assess, but the directly comparable exposure to harmful constituents and method of consumption means that smokers of these products have at least an equivalent risk of developing disease as smokers of conventional cigarettes. Several decades of research on the health effects of tobacco use have enabled comparisons between products with and without filters, and with high and low nicotine and tar yields. Overall, incidence of lung cancer has not varied with tobacco product used, and nor have other health benefits become apparent."
US Department of Health and Human Services. The health consequences of smoking. A report of the Surgeon General. Rockville, MD: US Department of Health and Human Services, Public Health Service, Office of the Surgeon General; 2004. Available from: http://www.surgeongeneral.gov/library/smokingconsequences/
Jade, this is meant in no way to diminish your connection to, or choice in the way you believe and worship.  However, many studies have been conducted since the 70's that show further connections to even limited smoke exposure. 

Peace.

{#Cowboy}
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