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Posted: Mar 26, 2019 - 3:55pm

i wish the media would collude with the truth

or at least something objective

it's hard to to watch the chattering nattering flapdoodling foolishness
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Posted: Mar 26, 2019 - 3:53pm

 steeler wrote:

This and your earlier lengthy post are too much. So, the notion that Trump and/or those within his campaign may have  been "colluding" with Russia was preposterous from the get-go. Rather, it was all a conspiracy to frame Trump as part of a coup attempt involving the Clintons, the DNC, "establishment" Republicans, high officials within the FBI, other members of the "deep state," and, of course, the "mainstream" media. And that is plausible to you, but the former is not?

 
Yeah. He's a True Believer® in a guy utterly devoid of compassion, morality, intelligence, wisdom, judgement, etc... pretty much every single positive human quality..... because said guy is not Hillary Clinton.


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Posted: Mar 26, 2019 - 3:47pm

 kurtster wrote:

Yes, I did in fact say several times that Trump was being "framed"
.  And yes these statements were met with instantaneous derision and ridicule.

Who is the you in your statement ?  Me or someone else ?

.
Oh and fwiw ... I haven't taken a victory lap over any of this as most here have probably been waiting for .  There's nothing to celebrate here.  It just means that things are going to get tougher or worse as those who have been exposed in the dare I say, deep state ?  These people will now fight with all they have to stay out of jail for attempting this coup.  And you can count on the MSM to carry their water, willingly ...

 
This and your earlier lengthy post are too much for me.  So, the notion that Trump and/or those within his campaign may have  been "colluding" with Russia was preposterous from the get-go. Rather, it was all a conspiracy to frame Trump as part of a coup attempt involving the Clintons, the DNC, "establishment" Republicans, high officials within the FBI, other members of the "deep state," and, of course, the "mainstream" media. And that is plausible to you, but the former is not?


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Posted: Mar 26, 2019 - 3:44pm

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

I'll take your word for it. This new website is FUBAR'd and can't link to itself without a meltdown.

 
I know, right? I dread the day when Bill abandons the legacy site.
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Posted: Mar 26, 2019 - 3:19pm



 kurtster wrote:
 

I'll take your word for it. This new website is FUBAR'd and can't link to itself without a meltdown.
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Posted: Mar 26, 2019 - 12:24pm

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:


 kurtster wrote:

 As I have stated many times before, only to be ridiculed, Trump was framed.

 

I read a lot of your stuff but not all of it. Still, I don't recall you saying this. Granted, it may have been buried in one or two of your longer screeds.

If you're being framed by a criminal element bent on disrupting American Government, wouldn't you cry foul immediately, and flush the poison from our society ASAP?

 
Yes, I did in fact say several times that Trump was being "framed"
.  And yes these statements were met with instantaneous derision and ridicule.

Who is the you in your statement ?  Me or someone else ?

.
Oh and fwiw ... I haven't taken a victory lap over any of this as most here have probably been waiting for .  There's nothing to celebrate here.  It just means that things are going to get tougher or worse as those who have been exposed in the dare I say, deep state ?  These people will now fight with all they have to stay out of jail for attempting this coup.  And you can count on the MSM to carry their water, willingly ...


kurtster

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Posted: Mar 26, 2019 - 12:20pm

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

According to the article, it was started by a nutjob, and as was the fashion at the time, repeated by many Upstanding Citizens as though it were Infallible Truth. Not like today. ;-) 
 
A different take on that term would be a proxy for ...   That is how these things work in the real world.  Far enough away to avoid being directly associated with Hillary, yet getting her message out on her behalf ...  Planting that seed of thought for the benefit of Hillary and only for Hillary.  She did not disagree with the claim.  She directly benefited from the claim.  
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Posted: Mar 26, 2019 - 11:23am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:


 sirdroseph wrote:
 ScottFromWyoming wrote:


 kurtster wrote:

Thank you for that.  Said this before many times about the Birtherism only to be ridiculed ...
 

Because it's ridiculous? I mean, it's not, because it's politics, but the article rhahl cited does not say anything like "birtherism started by the Clinton campaign."

 
This is true, it was started by her supporters, not the campaign.  However the Clinton campaign immediately and tirelessly discouraged such notions at the time.{#Lol}
 

According to the article, it was started by a nutjob, and as was the fashion at the time, repeated by many Upstanding Citizens as though it were Infallible Truth. Not like today. ;-) 
 
People forget just how nasty and contentious the 2008 Democratic primary was.  I certainly don't.  As an ardent Obama supporter I was right in the thick of it all and it may have even been nastier than 2016 believe it or not. {#Eek}


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Posted: Mar 26, 2019 - 11:05am



 sirdroseph wrote:
 ScottFromWyoming wrote:


 kurtster wrote:

Thank you for that.  Said this before many times about the Birtherism only to be ridiculed ...
 

Because it's ridiculous? I mean, it's not, because it's politics, but the article rhahl cited does not say anything like "birtherism started by the Clinton campaign."

 
This is true, it was started by her supporters, not the campaign.  However the Clinton campaign immediately and tirelessly discouraged such notions at the time.
{#Lol}



 

According to the article, it was started by a nutjob, and as was the fashion at the time, repeated by many Upstanding Citizens as though it were Infallible Truth. Not like today. ;-) 

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Posted: Mar 26, 2019 - 10:43am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:


 kurtster wrote:

Thank you for that.  Said this before many times about the Birtherism only to be ridiculed ...
 

Because it's ridiculous? I mean, it's not, because it's politics, but the article rhahl cited does not say anything like "birtherism started by the Clinton campaign."

 
This is true, it was started by her supporters, not the campaign.  However the Clinton campaign immediately and tirelessly discouraged such notions at the time.{#Lol}


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Posted: Mar 26, 2019 - 10:37am



 kurtster wrote:

 As I have stated many times before, only to be ridiculed, Trump was framed.

 

I read a lot of your stuff but not all of it. Still, I don't recall you saying this. Granted, it may have been buried in one or two of your longer screeds.

If you're being framed by a criminal element bent on disrupting American Government, wouldn't you cry foul immediately, and flush the poison from our society ASAP?
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Posted: Mar 26, 2019 - 10:33am



 kurtster wrote:

Thank you for that.  Said this before many times about the Birtherism only to be ridiculed ...


 

Because it's ridiculous? I mean, it's not, because it's politics, but the article rhahl cited does not say anything like "birtherism started by the Clinton campaign."
kurtster

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Posted: Mar 26, 2019 - 10:27am

 rhahl wrote:
HRC's campaigns started both Russiagate and Birtherism.  I am beginning to sense a pattern. https://www.politico.com/story...
 
Thank you for that.  Said this before many times about the Birtherism only to be ridiculed ...


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Posted: Mar 26, 2019 - 10:21am

HRC's campaigns started both Russiagate and Birtherism.  I am beginning to sense a pattern. https://www.politico.com/story...

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Posted: Mar 26, 2019 - 10:10am

 pigtail wrote:


oh boy


 
So ... may I consider you a Collusioner ?  
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Posted: Mar 26, 2019 - 9:54am



 kurtster wrote:

What you are seeing is the beginning of the end of a failed coup attempt by the DNC, et al including the Obama administration and establishment RINO never Trumpers, in conjunction with the MSM and the US Intelligence community to overthrow Trump's presidency.  As I have stated many times before, only to be ridiculed, Trump was framed.

Perhaps the most revealing and insightful remark from the Barr summary was this:

But as noted above, the Special Counsel did not find that the Trump campaign, or anyone associated with it, conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in these efforts, despite multiple offers from Russian-affiliated individuals to assist the Trump campaign.

This plan was hatched in the Clinton camp during the summer of the 2016 campaign designed to cast aspersions on Trump to keep him from getting elected in the first place.  When that failed and he was elected, the only choice was to further the narrative and get Trump discredited and removed from office before he could do anything to expose the vast corruption of the DOJ and the intelligence agencies of the US government and put people in jail.    Now that has also failed as much as Mueller and his staff wanted to find something to hang Trump with, they were simply unable to do it.  Remember that there were calls to impeach Trump the very next day after the election.  We have seen revelations of many discussions to invoke the 25th Amendment to remove Trump from office and even the proposition of Rod Rosenstein to wear a wire and record interactions with Trump designed to accomplish that end.

Do be aware that roughly 20% of all Americans and 40% of Democrats steadfastly believe that Trump is a Russian Agent.  I cannot find a reference to these polls numbers I heard several months ago, but they are conservative estimates.  These people will never believe anything different.  They will become a group similar in standing to the Obama Birthers who to this day still believe that Obama is not a natural born US citizen.  These people will be known as Collusioners.  There are many of these people to be found here at RP.  Their posting history is proof of that.

As usual, be advised that I stand alone in these thoughts being the only public supporter of Trump here.  So do take that into account when reading the above.

Here is a lengthy synopsis of how it all went down posted by Richard in another thread.  It leaves out many things that go into the weeds, but overall is how I saw things go down during the past three years.

It's official: Russiagate is this generation's WMD


 
oh boy



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Posted: Mar 26, 2019 - 9:45am

 wallacehartley wrote:


 kurtster wrote:

now begins part two, impeachment ...  Adam Schiff swears over and over again that he has irrefutable evidence that Trump is guilty of everything.
 
Something I am not understanding here....from what I have been able to make out from over here in Africa, no provable collusion with Russia has been found.
2 years, millions of dollars, whatever else - there have been some people falling into the shit for other things and some are going to jail of not already there.
But collusion between Trump and Russia - nothing found.

So does that mean that he won the election fair and square, beat HRC and her billion dollar campaign, and won the position through basically being more appealing to more of the electorate?
Does that mean that the hours and hours of media debate, discussions and ranting were actually baseless, or fake news, as Trump claimed?
Does that mean that his opposition have been so vehemently against his election that they ran this entire collusion thing  to hopefully find something, or because they want the electorate to believe something, or because they were buying something from their own base on the promise that they were going to have Trump removed from office?

I really don't understand.....can someone please explain?
This is like Brexit - deeply confusing to me.
 
What you are seeing is the beginning of the end of a failed coup attempt by the DNC, et al including the Obama administration and establishment RINO never Trumpers, in conjunction with the MSM and the US Intelligence community to overthrow Trump's presidency.  As I have stated many times before, only to be ridiculed, Trump was framed.

Perhaps the most revealing and insightful remark from the Barr summary was this:

But as noted above, the Special Counsel did not find that the Trump campaign, or anyone associated with it, conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in these efforts, despite multiple offers from Russian-affiliated individuals to assist the Trump campaign.

This plan was hatched in the Clinton camp during the summer of the 2016 campaign designed to cast aspersions on Trump to keep him from getting elected in the first place.  When that failed and he was elected, the only choice was to further the narrative and get Trump discredited and removed from office before he could do anything to expose the vast corruption of the DOJ and the intelligence agencies of the US government and put people in jail.    Now that has also failed as much as Mueller and his staff wanted to find something to hang Trump with, they were simply unable to do it.  Remember that there were calls to impeach Trump the very next day after the election.  We have seen revelations of many discussions to invoke the 25th Amendment to remove Trump from office and even the proposition of Rod Rosenstein to wear a wire and record interactions with Trump designed to accomplish that end.

Do be aware that roughly 20% of all Americans and 40% of Democrats steadfastly believe that Trump is a Russian Agent.  I cannot find a reference to these polls numbers I heard several months ago, but they are conservative estimates.  These people will never believe anything different.  They will become a group similar in standing to the Obama Birthers who to this day still believe that Obama is not a natural born US citizen.  These people will be known as Collusioners.  There are many of these people to be found here at RP.  Their posting history is proof of that.

As usual, be advised that I stand alone in these thoughts being the only public supporter of Trump here.  So do take that into account when reading the above.

Here is a lengthy synopsis of how it all went down posted by Richard in another thread.  It leaves out many things that go into the weeds, but overall is how I saw things go down during the past three years.

It's official: Russiagate is this generation's WMD

Here are the important takeaways from the article that I found ...

...
With Russiagate the national press abandoned any pretense that there’s a difference between indictment and conviction.

...
The lack of blowback over episodes in which reporters were put in public compromised situations speaks to the overly cozy relationships outlets had with official sources. Too often, it felt like a team effort, where reporters seemed to think it was their duty to take the weight if sources pushed them to overreach. They had absolutely no sense of institutional self-esteem about this.

Being on any team is a bad look for the press, but the press being on team FBI/CIA is an atrocity, Trump or no Trump. Why bother having a press corps at all if you’re going to go that route?

This posture has all been couched as anti-Trump solidarity, but really, did former CIA chief John Brennan – the same Brennan who should himself have faced charges for lying to congress about hacking the computers of Senate staff – need the press to whine on his behalf when Trump yanked his security clearance? Did we need the press to hum Aretha Franklin tunes, as ABC did, and chide Trump for lacking R-E-S-P-E-C-T for the CIA? We don’t have better things to do than that “work”?

...
I searched the Chait article up and down for reporting that would justify the suggestion Trump had been a Russian agent dating back to the late eighties, when, not that it matters, Russia was a different country called the Soviet Union.

Only two facts in the piece could conceivably have been used to support the thesis: Trump met with a visiting Soviet official in 1986, and visited the Soviet Union in 1987. That’s it. That’s your cover story.

Worse, Chait’s theory was first espoused in Lyndon Larouche’s “Elephants and Donkeys” newsletter in 1987, under a headline, “Do Russians have a Trump card?” This is barrel-scraping writ large.

It’s a mania. Putin is literally in our underpants. Maybe, if we’re lucky, New York might someday admit its report claiming Russians set up an anti-masturbation hotline to trap and blackmail random Americans is suspicious, not just because it seems absurd on its face, but because its source is the same “New Knowledge” group that admitted to faking Russian influence operations in Alabama.

But what retraction is possible for the Washington Post headline, “How will Democrats cope if Putin starts playing dirty tricks for Bernie Sanders (again)?” How to reverse Rachel Maddow’s spiel about Russia perhaps shutting down heat across America during a cold wave? There’s no correction for McCarthyism and fearmongering.

...
I didn’t really address the case that Russia hacked the DNC, content to stipulate it for now. I was told early on that this piece of the story seemed “solid,” but even that assertion has remained un-bolstered since then, still based on an “assessment” by those same intelligence services that always had issues, including the use of things like RT’s “anti-American” coverage of fracking as part of its case. The government didn’t even examine the DNC’s server, the kind of detail that used to make reporters nervous.




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Posted: Mar 26, 2019 - 8:40am



 ScottFromWyoming wrote:


 wallacehartley wrote:

I really don't understand.....can someone please explain?
This is like Brexit - deeply confusing to me.

 
The confusing part should be how fast Trump went from "Muller's a conflicted lackey of the Democrats" to "Woohoo! Total exoneration!" 

But the Democrats were hoping/praying for proof of collusion while Trump's mantra has been "No Collusion!" The thing is, just because Trump may not have actively colluded, there's every indication he was aware of their skullduggery, and the Russians didn't need him to help them with their business anyway. Proving actual collusion was going to be a tall order. I have some confidence that the full report will show some appalling lack of good judgment and/or a lot of turning a blind eye. The GOP won't care about that, tho. Be confused about that.

 

Skulduggery. I just love saying the word. I don't know why...anyway
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Posted: Mar 26, 2019 - 8:24am

 black321 wrote:


 wallacehartley wrote:


 kurtster wrote:

now begins part two, impeachment ...  Adam Schiff swears over and over again that he has irrefutable evidence that Trump is guilty of everything.
 
Something I am not understanding here....from what I have been able to make out from over here in Africa, no provable collusion with Russia has been found.
2 years, millions of dollars, whatever else - there have been some people falling into the shit for other things and some are going to jail of not already there.
But collusion between Trump and Russia - nothing found.

So does that mean that he won the election fair and square, beat HRC and her billion dollar campaign, and won the position through basically being more appealing to more of the electorate?
Does that mean that the hours and hours of media debate, discussions and ranting were actually baseless, or fake news, as Trump claimed?
Does that mean that his opposition have been so vehemently against his election that they ran this entire collusion thing  to hopefully find something, or because they want the electorate to believe something, or because they were buying something from their own base on the promise that they were going to have Trump removed from office?

I really don't understand.....can someone please explain?
This is like Brexit - deeply confusing to me.

 
I believe most Americans are tired of it all, believe there was no collusion and want it to go away. They see Trump as not a criminal, conspiring with Russia, but a conman who likes to skate close to the edge and feed off the country's divisions.  Legal perhaps, but not ethical.  While the media gorged itself on the Russia nonsense, real issues with what's wrong with our politics and country go on...more division, more debt, failing foreign policy that creates more volatility, failing fiscal and monetary policy addicted to low rates and conspicuous consumption, no clear immigration policy. .. While these are not Trump created problems, but those accumulated over the past decades, Trump is certainly not pushing the country in the right direction...and the media is certainly not doing its job to effectively bring this to light.

 
Yes even the most ardent and vocal Trump denouncers are starting to realize this: 

But Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) revealed on Monday’s broadcast of “The Late Show with Stephen Colbert” that it appeared to be of minor concern to the hundred-or-so voters she received questions from while campaigning in New Hampshire at the weekend.

“Do you know the number (of questions) that were about the Mueller report? Zero,” said Warren. “Because what people are talking about, what they’re asking about, are the things that touch their lives every day.”

 

 


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Posted: Mar 26, 2019 - 8:00am



 wallacehartley wrote:


 kurtster wrote:

now begins part two, impeachment ...  Adam Schiff swears over and over again that he has irrefutable evidence that Trump is guilty of everything.
 
Something I am not understanding here....from what I have been able to make out from over here in Africa, no provable collusion with Russia has been found.
2 years, millions of dollars, whatever else - there have been some people falling into the shit for other things and some are going to jail of not already there.
But collusion between Trump and Russia - nothing found.

So does that mean that he won the election fair and square, beat HRC and her billion dollar campaign, and won the position through basically being more appealing to more of the electorate?
Does that mean that the hours and hours of media debate, discussions and ranting were actually baseless, or fake news, as Trump claimed?
Does that mean that his opposition have been so vehemently against his election that they ran this entire collusion thing  to hopefully find something, or because they want the electorate to believe something, or because they were buying something from their own base on the promise that they were going to have Trump removed from office?

I really don't understand.....can someone please explain?
This is like Brexit - deeply confusing to me.

 
I believe most Americans are tired of it all, believe there was no collusion and want it to go away. They see Trump as not a criminal, conspiring with Russia, but a conman who likes to skate close to the edge and feed off the country's divisions.  Legal perhaps, but not ethical.  While the media gorged itself on the Russia nonsense, real issues with what's wrong with our politics and country go on...more division, more debt, failing foreign policy that creates more volatility, failing fiscal and monetary policy addicted to low rates and conspicuous consumption, no clear immigration policy. .. While these are not Trump created problems, but those accumulated over the past decades, Trump is certainly not pushing the country in the right direction...and the media is certainly not doing its job to effectively bring this to light.

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