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Posted: Apr 27, 2009 - 4:05pm
BlueHeronDruid wrote: As far as Exo's comment - is there a panic going on that I'm not aware of? I had to do a site visit for a grant application today. No one showed any hesitation to shake hands.... They must not have known who you were...

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Posted: Apr 27, 2009 - 4:03pm

Beanie - my FB status yesterday was, for a while, "I wish I didn't know what cytokine storms are..."

As far as Exo's comment - is there a panic going on that I'm not aware of? I had to do a site visit for a grant application today. No one showed any hesitation to shake hands....

And IIRC, there was a study done in Africa on the relative merits of hand sanitizers vs. good old soap and warm water (a decent handwashing - 25 seconds). Hand sanitizers are a false sense of security. The very best method for preventing the spread of disease, according to that study, was the old-fashioned basic precaution: hand washing.

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Posted: Apr 27, 2009 - 3:57pm
oldslabsides wrote: Keep the bug home from school. Different school system (bug is five miles in the other direction) and the kids who have it went to Mexico for spring break. No worries.

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Posted: Apr 27, 2009 - 3:55pm
Beanie wrote: That's Ohio, not Oklahoma. About 5 miles from my house, to be exact. Keep the bug home from school.

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Posted: Apr 27, 2009 - 3:54pm
hippiechick wrote: I would normally say no, but OK is one of the states that has cases of swine flu present, so better be safe than sorry. That's Ohio, not Oklahoma. About 5 miles from my house, to be exact.

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Posted: Apr 27, 2009 - 3:43pm
n4ku wrote: Track the spread of the flu on Google Maps Hmmmm...according to this, nothing in Oklahoma or Illinois - yet. Thanks, Aalln.

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Posted: Apr 27, 2009 - 3:42pm
Beanie wrote: Nothing over 100ml. So a travel-sized bottle of purell sounds like a good travel addition! :thumbsup:

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Posted: Apr 27, 2009 - 3:41pm
samiyam wrote: I just purchased some today... (and some anti-pyretic pills) I wonder if they still have that "no liquids" BS going on the airliners? Nothing over 100ml.

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Posted: Apr 27, 2009 - 3:40pm
Track the spread of the flu on Google Maps

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Posted: Apr 27, 2009 - 3:39pm
Beanie wrote: OK, you do have a point. But I'll still submit you're more likely to catch it off the seat backs that others have touched than something airborne. But I guess the mask can't hurt. And you still need hand sanitizer. I just purchased some today... (and some anti-pyretic pills) I wonder if they still have that "no liquids" BS going on the airliners?

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Posted: Apr 27, 2009 - 3:37pm
oldslabsides wrote: Thank you. So, the only person I'm likely to catch it from is P - who's currently running a fever. I would normally say no, but OK is one of the states that has cases of swine flu present, so better be safe than sorry.

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Posted: Apr 27, 2009 - 3:35pm

Beanie wrote:

I think you're absolutely right. This looks like panic for no good reason.

Except for one nasty little detail that no one is talking about.

The vast majority of the Mexicans who have died of this flu are young, healthy adults. Now, if you think about it, this doesn't make sense. Why should those in the population with the strongest immune systems doe of the flu? Flu is supposed to kill sickly babies and people with AIDS and little old ladies with emphysema. So why would healthy young people die of the flu?

Because they *aren't* dying of the flu. They're dying of a hyper-immune response to the flu. Something called a cytokine storm. It basically makes the body turn on itself, causing (among other things) severe high fevers and pneumonia.

We've seen this once before: the pandemic of 1918. That flu (the "Spanish Flu") killed almost 100 million people.

Is this flu going to be like that? Probably not. But because of the disease etiology, they're keeping a super-close eye on it.

Thank you Beanie, not something we've heard over here yet, although I did wonder a little at the quiet yet firm messages we've been getting from the gov't today. With our recent history in the UK (BSE, Foot'n'mouth, avian flu) and being a hub for worldwide aviation we're apparently world leaders in this kind of situation alongside your CDC, the French and the Germans.

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Posted: Apr 27, 2009 - 3:35pm

samiyam wrote:

I'm not sure Beanie is quite so accurate. The air in an airliner has been known to transmit many germs. You might consider putting a mask on but only once you're seated so that you don't freak the security wonks.

Remember that a mask is only good as long as it doesn't clog up with your breath moisture, so you need to change it every three hours or so.

OK, you do have a point. But I'll still submit you're more likely to catch it off the seat backs that others have touched than something airborne. But I guess the mask can't hurt. And you still need hand sanitizer.

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Posted: Apr 27, 2009 - 3:31pm

oldslabsides wrote:

I'll trust your opinion on this, Miss Bean: should I wear a mask in the airport and on the plane tomorrow?

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Posted: Apr 27, 2009 - 3:31pm
Beanie wrote: No. CDC says it's spread by close contact: shaking hands or coughing on each other. Leave the mask home and take hand sanitizer. Thank you. So, the only person I'm likely to catch it from is P - who's currently running a fever.

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Posted: Apr 27, 2009 - 3:28pm
oldslabsides wrote: I'll trust your opinion on this, Miss Bean: should I wear a mask in the airport and on the plane tomorrow? No. CDC says it's spread by close contact: shaking hands or coughing on each other. Leave the mask home and take hand sanitizer.

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