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NoEnzLefttoSplit

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Posted: Mar 25, 2014 - 9:54am

 sirdroseph wrote:
This was in 2007, this has been just business as usual for a long time:



 
She conflates a number of issues here, some of which are bona fide:

1. yes, we pollute the atmosphere
2. yes, sustained contrails are man-made clouds which alter solar influx and can trap heat (this would both alleviate and exacerbate global warming)
3. no, sustained contrails are not a new phenomenon because of some conspiracy putting chemicals in the fuel but a natural consequence of operating jet engines through different atmospheric conditions. Their prevalence can be easily explained by the huge rise in air traffic.
4. yes, there have been small scale geo-engineering experiments on the effect of chemicals on the atmosphere (some of which work quite well, such as cloud seeding to prevent hailstorms).

This does not imply, however, that there is a huge geo-engineering scheme going on behind our backs and funded by NASA. If she really thinks these clouds ("which we have never seen before") are the product of such activity, it would be great if she could explain their actual formation and how the chemicals she proposes (mainly aluminum) actually do this, plus the logistics involved. Evidence of this is totally lacking.

What she does is conflate all these points to suggest that what we see is the product of a hidden geo-engineering project. I totally agree with the general approach that we should not pollute more but should pollute less and that we should be wary of any geo-engineering schemes proposed as "fixes" to what we have damaged elsewhere.
I nevertheless remain extremely sceptical that there is some nefarious plot behind this to geo-engineer the atmosphere. Everything we see can be easily explained by the processes we already know of. These are in themselves bad enough without having to posit some band of evil scientists behind it all. This just distracts attention from the real issues.

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Posted: Mar 25, 2014 - 4:25am

This was in 2007, this has been just business as usual for a long time:


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Posted: Feb 16, 2014 - 8:31am

All your clouds are belong to us.{#Snooty}
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Posted: Feb 16, 2014 - 8:23am


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Posted: Dec 31, 2013 - 6:49am


so pretty!
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Posted: Dec 30, 2013 - 5:21pm

I saw those split hairs there!!!!
NoEnzLefttoSplit

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Posted: Dec 30, 2013 - 8:37am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

Says you.

 
AAARGH 
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Posted: Dec 30, 2013 - 5:48am

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:
Not fake clouds. 
 
Says you.
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Posted: Dec 30, 2013 - 12:27am

Not fake clouds. Just a good example of the amazing patterns nature can generate. Note the von Karman vortex lower center.



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Posted: Jul 21, 2013 - 4:33pm

 islander wrote:
kurtster wrote:
For all those who have been asking for proof all these years that Chemtrails are real, this is as close as we get to having a government admission to date.  This is finally moving beyond a CT.

CIA Is Funding Government-Led Chemtrailing Project




Depends a lot on your semantics, but funding a 21 month study with ~ $600K is hardly vindication for 30 years of ranting.
 
 
 

 

{#Yell}  Quick someone call the Hyperbole Police, STAT !

{#Snooty} 
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Posted: Jul 21, 2013 - 10:08am

 kurtster wrote:
For all those who have been asking for proof all these years that Chemtrails are real, this is as close as we get to having a government admission to date.  This is finally moving beyond a CT.

CIA Is Funding Government-Led Chemtrailing Project



 
Depends a lot on your semantics, but funding a 21 month study with ~ $600K is hardly vindication for 30 years of ranting. It is not an admission, and not proof that all the pictures presented through the years as "evidence" are anything nefarious. 

Here is an excerpt of actual text of the study: 

Project Scope
An ad hoc committee will conduct a technical evaluation of a limited number of proposed geoengineering techniques, including examples of both solar radiation management (SRM) and carbon dioxide removal (CDR) techniques, and comment generally on the potential impacts of deploying these technologies, including possible environmental, economic, and national security concerns. The study will: 
1. Evaluate what is currently known about the science of several (3-4) selected example techniques, including potential risks and consequences (both intended and unintended), such as impacts, or lack thereof, on ocean acidification,
2. Describe what is known about the viability for implementation of the proposed techniques including technological and cost considerations, 
3. Briefly explain other geoengineering technologies that have been proposed (beyond the selected examples), and
4. Identify future research needed to provide a credible scientific underpinning for future discussions. 
The study will also discuss historical examples of related technologies (e.g., cloud seeding and other weather modification) for lessons that might be learned about societal reactions, examine what international agreements exist which may be relevant to the experimental testing or deployment of geoengineering technologies, and briefly explore potential societal and ethical considerations related to geoengineering. This study is intended to provide a careful, clear scientific foundation that informs ethical, legal, and political discussions surrounding geoengineering.

The project has support from the National Academy of Sciences, the U.S. intelligence community, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, and the National Aeronautics and Space Administration. The approximate start date for the project is March 2013; a report is expected be issued in fall 2014.
 


 
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Posted: Jul 21, 2013 - 8:53am

For all those who have been asking for proof all these years that Chemtrails are real, this is as close as we get to having a government admission to date.  This is finally moving beyond a CT.

CIA Is Funding Government-Led Chemtrailing Project


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Posted: Jul 10, 2013 - 8:49am

Just reposting some of my favorite pics from over the years taken from my back yard ...

Everything seen in these pictures are unedited and contain no natural clouds.  This is all
the result of so called random commercial aviation jet exhaust ...








and one of my all time favorites showing syncronized parallel commercial aviation flight paths ...




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Posted: Jul 10, 2013 - 8:10am

 sirdroseph wrote:


You are the man, I am not even going to ask you how you found the link, you scare me sometimes Kurt!{#Lol}

 

{#Mrgreen}  T'was easy ... just used common sense and logic.
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Posted: Jul 10, 2013 - 8:04am

 kurtster wrote:

Fixed your link

 

You are the man, I am not even going to ask you how you found the link, you scare me sometimes Kurt!{#Lol}
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Posted: Jul 10, 2013 - 7:58am

 sirdroseph wrote:
Yes, I know this is not really happening, but those that want to stop what is not happening, this is for you:


A world wide ban on
illegal Chemtrail spraying


 
Fixed your link
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Posted: Jul 10, 2013 - 4:53am

Yes, I know this is not really happening, but those that want to stop what is not happening, this is for you:


A world wide ban on
illegal Chemtrail spraying



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Posted: Apr 22, 2013 - 5:49am

 kurtster wrote:
A payoff or a motive behind Geo Engineering ?

The ‘Rain Tax’

 
saw that




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Posted: Apr 22, 2013 - 5:25am

A payoff or a motive behind Geo Engineering ?

The ‘Rain Tax’



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Posted: Apr 13, 2013 - 8:05pm

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:


 
Nice one Scott!
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