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Posted: Oct 22, 2008 - 8:30am

 Servo wrote:

Well you did reply to wooz's post, and you did go so far as to highlight a specific part of that post!  Are you now claiming that what you did before was by accident or something?

As far as your innuendo-filled "government servants" commentary, are you claiming that everybody treats all government employees with equal enthusiasm?  "OMG, it's the dog catcher!!!  I gotta get an autograph!" {#Rolleyes}  I don't think that's realistic.

This is not a political statement, but a statement about human nature.

But what you wrote before was most certainly a political statement.  It clearly contains the word "politician".  Of course we're talking about human nature now, after I steered the conversation in that direction.

I still maintain that you're putting an undue amount of spin on the "servant" part of the oft-used term "civil servant".  Do you understand that public service is not the same as indentured servitude?

Have you ever had to work for someone else?  If so, do you believe that if someone made an offhand remark about your job that could possibly be misconstrued as being derogatory, that that comment itself is somehow license for your boss to mistreat you?  I'm asking you this because you seem to be implying rather heavily (albeit through weasel words) that Senator Biden does not deserve any respect or appreciation for his services and accomplishments, and should be seen as an inferior.  Frankly I find that assertion to be insulting.

I'm interesting in reading why you tend to reserve your negative commentary for Senators Biden and Obama, have nothing but great praise for McCain and Palin, and never hang around to justify those comments.  Speaking about human nature, I am...

 
I know I shouldn't do this but...

Please show me where I had great praise for McCain and Palin.

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Posted: Oct 22, 2008 - 7:29am

 Southern_Boy wrote:
The remark wasn't about Biden or Wooz's post, but a generalization of all government servants.
 
Well you did reply to wooz's post, and you did go so far as to highlight a specific part of that post!  Are you now claiming that what you did before was by accident or something?

As far as your innuendo-filled "government servants" commentary, are you claiming that everybody treats all government employees with equal enthusiasm?  "OMG, it's the dog catcher!!!  I gotta get an autograph!" {#Rolleyes}  I don't think that's realistic.

This is not a political statement, but a statement about human nature.

But what you wrote before was most certainly a political statement.  It clearly contains the word "politician".  Of course we're talking about human nature now, after I steered the conversation in that direction.

I still maintain that you're putting an undue amount of spin on the "servant" part of the oft-used term "civil servant".  Do you understand that public service is not the same as indentured servitude?

Have you ever had to work for someone else?  If so, do you believe that if someone made an offhand remark about your job that could possibly be misconstrued as being derogatory, that that comment itself is somehow license for your boss to mistreat you?  I'm asking you this because you seem to be implying rather heavily (albeit through weasel words) that Senator Biden does not deserve any respect or appreciation for his services and accomplishments, and should be seen as an inferior.  Frankly I find that assertion to be insulting.

I'm interesting in reading why you tend to reserve your negative commentary for Senators Biden and Obama, have nothing but great praise for McCain and Palin, and never hang around to justify those comments.  Speaking about human nature, I am...


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Posted: Oct 22, 2008 - 7:25am

 woozurbuddy wrote:

It wasn't about him being a "rock star".  It's more about the commitment our family has made to volunteering to the campaign, giving up time to canvas neighborhoods, and in my kid's case last night, spending a Tuesday night at the local HQ manning the phones canvasing undecided voters.  The fact that Senator Biden took the time at 8:30 at night after a long day of campaigning to swing by this little office to encourage the staff was impressive.  He didn't stay long but really brought everyone's spirits up.  And she'll never forget having met him that night after he's VP.

Real class, IMHO.

 
This wasn't about Biden. It was about human nature. Not a knock on anyone. Just an observation and reaction I don't understand.

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Posted: Oct 22, 2008 - 7:10am

Southern_Boy wrote:

I haven't felt that thrill yet. Usually its "go away before you make me do something stupid".



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Posted: Oct 22, 2008 - 7:09am

Southern_Boy wrote:

Funny how Biden is perceived as overenthusiastic and McCain is dramatic and unpredictable.

Here's the biggies: McCain's theatrics during the bailout... and choosing the campaign-boosting Palin instead of a qualified candidate. 

Joe Biden just misspeaks.

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Posted: Oct 22, 2008 - 7:07am

 rosedraws wrote:

It's a good question.  There is a thrill when you see someone famous.  But also, there is the thrill you feel if the CEO of your company stops by your office and says hello.  And there's a special thrill when you see someone famous who is also inspiring. 

Interesting stuff.
 
I haven't felt that thrill yet. Usually its "go away before you make me do something stupid".

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Posted: Oct 22, 2008 - 7:05am

 rosedraws wrote:

Yeah, that was a classic Joe the GaffMaster comment.  He does get a bit overenthusiastic.  (I want to see the context, but haven't had time to look it up.)

Either president would get tested.  The real question is, which candidate do you think will best respond? 

As we've watched them through the campaign, Obama has been calm and thoughtful, studying issues, working toward consensus.  McCain has been dramatic and unpredictable, using scorched earth tactics to try to win. 

If you apply the same test to McCain/Palin... imagine something happening to McCain, and Palin being tested. 
 

Actually, he was referring to the state of the world - whoever wins will have to deal with the volatility of a 21st century world.  He's being realistic - no one out there is going to treat the American president with kid gloves.  Nor should they (or any world leader, for that matter).
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Posted: Oct 22, 2008 - 7:05am

 rosedraws wrote:

Yeah, that was a classic Joe the GaffMaster comment.  He does get a bit overenthusiastic.  (I want to see the context, but haven't had time to look it up.)

Either president would get tested.  The real question is, which candidate do you think will best respond? 

As we've watched them through the campaign, Obama has been calm and thoughtful, studying issues, working toward consensus.  McCain has been dramatic and unpredictable, using scorched earth tactics to try to win. 

If you apply the same test to McCain/Palin... imagine something happening to McCain, and Palin being tested. 
 
Funny how Biden is perceived as overenthusiastic and McCain is dramatic and unpredictable.

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Posted: Oct 22, 2008 - 7:05am

Southern_Boy wrote:

The remark wasn't about Biden or Wooz's post, but a generalization of all government servants. McCain is looked at by his followers the same way. This is not a political statement, but a statement about human nature.

It's a good question.  There is a thrill when you see someone famous.  But also, there is the thrill you feel if the CEO of your company stops by your office and says hello.  And there's a special thrill when you see someone famous who is also inspiring. 

Interesting stuff.

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Posted: Oct 22, 2008 - 7:01am

trekhead wrote:
I hope this doesn't come across as trolling, but I didn't see anyone comment on Biden's "International Incident within the first 6 months of Obabma's (foregone conclusion) Presidency". Just seems to me that this would come across as a reason NOT to vote foe him, and avoid this mysterious, 'guaranteed' tragedy.

My Two Cents.


Yeah, that was a classic Joe the GaffMaster comment.  He does get a bit overenthusiastic.  (I want to see the context, but haven't had time to look it up.)

Either president would get tested.  The real question is, which candidate do you think will best respond? 

As we've watched them through the campaign, Obama has been calm and thoughtful, studying issues, working toward consensus.  McCain has been dramatic and unpredictable, using scorched earth tactics to try to win. 

If you apply the same test to McCain/Palin... imagine something happening to McCain, and Palin being tested. 

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Posted: Oct 22, 2008 - 6:57am

 Southern_Boy wrote:
I have done what I said I wouldn't, I got into political debates in the political forums. {#Beat}

 

no.  you made a comment.  it's all good    don't hurt yourself, k?
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Posted: Oct 22, 2008 - 6:50am

 Southern_Boy wrote:
I have done what I said I wouldn't, I got into political debates in the political forums. {#Beat}

 

{#Lol}  {#Yes}  Hard not to do , as the day draws near.
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Posted: Oct 22, 2008 - 6:45am

I have done what I said I wouldn't, I got into political debates in the political forums. {#Beat}
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Posted: Oct 22, 2008 - 6:39am

 Servo wrote:

Perhaps you might want to take a look at how you parse what other people write.  Did wooz say anything about the matter of primary importance being "seeing a politician"?  The way I read it, there was a person, Joe Biden, who was the object of primary importance.  Why, when the big deal is obviously about the person, and possibly also about the hope of what this person might bring, would you make such a sweeping generalization?

I don't speak for wooz, but I imagine that, if I had the opportunity to witness an historical event up close and in person, I might speak of that event with no small degree of enthusiasm.  That would have nothing at all to do with the classification of the person or persons involved, but rather the people themselves, and most probably about what the person(s) is/are doing at the time.
 
The remark wasn't about Biden or Wooz's post, but a generalization of all government servants. McCain is looked at by his followers the same way. This is not a political statement, but a statement about human nature.

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Posted: Oct 22, 2008 - 6:36am

 Southern_Boy wrote:
I'm trying to understand the allure of the politician. Why do we place them on such a pedestal?
 
Perhaps you might want to take a look at how you parse what other people write.  Did wooz say anything about the matter of primary importance being "seeing a politician"?  The way I read it, there was a person, Joe Biden, who was the object of primary importance.  Why, when the big deal is obviously about the person, and possibly also about the hope of what this person might bring, would you make such a sweeping generalization?

I don't speak for wooz, but I imagine that, if I had the opportunity to witness an historical event up close and in person, I might speak of that event with no small degree of enthusiasm.  That would have nothing at all to do with the classification of the person or persons involved, but rather the people themselves, and most probably about what the person(s) is/are doing at the time.

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Posted: Oct 22, 2008 - 6:31am

I hope this doesn't come across as trolling, but I didn't see anyone comment on Biden's "International Incident within the first 6 months of Obabma's (foregone conclusion) Presidency". Just seems to me that this would come across as a reason NOT to vote foe him, and avoid this mysterious, 'guaranteed' tragedy.

My Two Cents.
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Posted: Oct 22, 2008 - 6:10am

 woozurbuddy wrote:

Tonight it was Senator Joe Biden!  My girl was so excited!  The campaign office is not that big, in a strip mall, and she could have reached out and touched him.  He spoke for about 15-20 minutes and went on his way (I think he's in Pueblo tomorrow).

 
Please don't take this the wrong way.

I'm trying to understand the allure of the politician. Why do we place them on such a pedestal? They are government servants whose salaries and benefits WE pay.


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Posted: Oct 22, 2008 - 5:59am

woozurbuddy wrote:

Tonight it was Senator Joe Biden! My girl was so excited! The campaign office is not that big, in a strip mall, and she could have reached out and touched him. He spoke for about 15-20 minutes and went on his way


Excellent! 

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Posted: Oct 6, 2008 - 11:05am

 zipper wrote:
An article about Palin, but Biden's thread is sorely neglected.

...By contrast, Senator Biden was glib and fluent and in command of the facts — if by “in command of the facts” you mean “talks complete blithering balderdash and hogwash.” He flatly declared that Obama never said he would meet Ahmadinejad without preconditions. But, on Debate Night, the official Obama website was still boasting that he would meet Ahmadinejad “without preconditions”. He said America spends more in a month in Iraq than it’s spent in seven years in Afghanistan. Er, America has spent over $700 billion in Afghanistan since 2001. It’s spending about $10 billion a month in Iraq. But no matter.

To demonstrate his command of the “facts”, Senator Biden sportingly offered up his own instant replays: “My friend John McCain voted 422 times against tax cuts for the middle classes. Let me repeat that so the American people are clear on this. My friend John McCain voted 673 times against tax cuts for the middle classes.” The problem was that it all sounded drearily senatorial.

Mention any global crisis — civil war in Bosnia, genocide in Darfur, Russian aggression in Georgia, the lack of five-star restaurants in Wales — and Biden has been there, usually within the last two weeks, and always at public expense. What the American taxpayer gets for the Emir of Delaware’s frequent-flyer miles is harder to discern. Biden was doing his best to turn in a decent karaoke version of Lloyd Bentsen, but, unfortunately, Governor Palin declined to play Dan Quayle...

 
this all ya got?

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