A real leader like your man for POTUS, Biden who called the China travel ban, which saved a whole shitload of lives, a racist, xenophobic act that was the most wrong headed thing that Trump could do and would do nothing to save lives.
If Biden was POTUS back then, most likely 10 times as many would be dead due to unrestricted travel from China to this country. Biden is Xi's bitch, bought and paid for with $1.2 billion dollars paid to Hunter.
Feeling desperate, Kurt? 'Cause you're just flinging debunked crap at the wall.
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Wow. You have way too much time on your hands. You are far too invested in being right, that you find it imperative to post reams and reams of text, because, NOOOOO you are RIGHT, dammmmit!
A real leader like your man for POTUS, Biden who called the China travel ban, which saved a whole shitload of lives, a racist, xenophobic act that was the most wrong headed thing that Trump could do and would do nothing to save lives.
If Biden was POTUS back then, most likely 10 times as many would be dead due to unrestricted travel from China to this country. Biden is Xi's bitch, bought and paid for with $1.2 billion dollars paid to Hunter.
Feeling desperate, Kurt? 'Cause you're just flinging debunked crap at the wall.
For starters, health experts say Trump was wrong to refer to the
travel restrictions as a âtravel ban,â as he did in a telephone interview on March 4 with Fox Newsâ Sean Hannity. During a town hall on
March 5, Trump said he âclosed down the borders to China and to other
areas that are very badly affected.â Thatâs not accurate.
As Azar explained when he announced the travel restrictions on Jan. 31, the policy
prohibits non-U.S. citizens, other than the immediate family of U.S.
citizens and permanent residents, who have traveled to China within the
last two weeks from entering the U.S.
At a House subcommittee hearing on the coronavirus on Feb. 5, Ron Klain,
White House Ebola response coordinator under the Obama administration,
took issue with the characterization of the travel restrictions as a
travel âban.â
âWe donât have a travel ban,â Klain said. âWe have a
travel Band-Aid right now. First, before it was imposed, 300,000 people
came here from China in the previous month. So, the horse is out of the
barn.â
âThereâs no restriction on Americans going back and forth,â Klain
said. âThere are warnings. People should abide by those warnings. But
today, 30 planes will land in Los Angeles that either originated in
Beijing or came here on one-stops, 30 in San Francisco, 25 in New York
City. Okay? So, unless we think that the color of the passport someone
carries is a meaningful public health restriction, we have not placed a
meaningful public health restriction.â
Indeed, on Jan. 24, a week before the travel restrictions, the CDC confirmed two cases of the novel coronavirus in the U.S. from people who had returned from Wuhan, China, where the outbreak began.
Democratic Criticism
On the day Trump imposed the travel restrictions, Biden did criticize
Trump for his ârecord of hysteria and xenophobia,â but it is unclear
whether Biden was referring to Trumpâs travel restrictions, or Trumpâs
overall qualifications to deal with the epidemic.
âWe have right now a crisis with the coronavirus, emanating from China,â Biden said on Jan. 31 at a campaign event
in Iowa. âA national emergency worldwide alerts. The American people
need to have a president who they can trust what he says about it, that
he is going to act rationally about it. In moments like this, this is
where the credibility of the president is most needed, as he explains
what we should and should not do. This is no time for Donald Trumpâs
record of hysteria and xenophobia â hysterical xenophobia â and
fearmongering to lead the way instead of science.â
In an op-ed published several days prior in USA Today,
Biden similarly argued: âThe possibility of a pandemic is a challenge
Donald Trump is unqualified to handle as president.â Biden wrote that he
recalled âhow Trump sought to stoke fear and stigma during the 2014
Ebola epidemic.â Trump, Biden wrote, ârailed against the evidence-based response our administration put in place â which quelled the crisis and saved hundreds of thousands of lives â in favor of reactionary travel bans that would only have made things worse.â
Although Democratic leaders and Democratic presidential candidates
have been highly critical of Trumpâs response to the coronavirus, we
couldnât find any examples of them directly and clearly criticizing the
travel restrictions.
Have Travel Restrictions âSaved a Lot of Livesâ?
(Dr. Jennifer) Nuzzo, the senior scholar at the Johns Hopkins Center for Health
Security, said thereâs no evidence, at least, that the travel
restrictions have saved lives or reduced the number of cases in the U.S.
âWe have not seen any evidence that shows the travel restrictions
stopped or slowed down transmission of the virus that causes COVID-19,â
Nuzzo told us via email. âIt is possible that it did, but there is no
evidence to show this. Rather there are a number of reasons to believe
that this may very well not be the case.â
Chiefly, she said, thatâs because âwe werenât seriously looking for cases in the US.â
âIf you had mild infection, you were not tested,â Nuzzo said. âIf you
had viral pneumonia not requiring oxygen but had not been to Wuhan, you
wouldnât have been tested.â
âPrior to the US travel restrictions, China began suspending outbound
flights,â Nuzzo said. âAirlines also began canceling flights due to low
travel volume. Then, the US implemented travel restrictions, which
further reduced travel from China. The exception was Americans who were
returning home from China. These folks were subject to quarantine upon
return. A number of cases were found among these individuals. If you
only test travelers from China and you greatly reduce the number of
travelers coming from China, then you would be likely to not find many
cases.
âBut it doesnât mean the virus hadnât entered the US prior to travel restrictions,â Nuzzo said, as data now suggests occurred in Washington state.
Also, she said other countries, including Japan, Singapore and Korea,
had a significant number of coronavirus cases, but they werenât subject
to travel restrictions. The U.S. âwould likely not have picked it upâ
if travelers coming to the U.S. from those countries âbecause we werenât
using these other countries as criteria for testing.â
A modeling study published in Science
magazine on March 6, âThe effect of travel restrictions on the spread
of the 2019 novel coronavirus (COVID-19) outbreak,â concluded that, âIn
areas affected by the 2019 novel coronavirus (COVID-19), travel
restrictions will only modestly impact the spread of the outbreak,â
according to a press release for the study.
âBased on the studyâs results, the authors say the greatest benefit
to mitigating the epidemic will come from public health interventions
and behavioral changes that achieve a considerable reduction in the
disease transmissibility â factors like early detection, isolation, and
handwashing,â according to the press release.
The authors concluded that travel restrictions introduced by the
Chinese government in Wuhan in Jan. 23 and the halting of airline
flights to and from China starting in early February at first slowed the
spread of the disease to the rest of the world. Even still, a large
number of individuals exposed to the virus had been traveling
internationally without being detected and, the authors note, the number
of imported cases around the world went up in a matter of weeks.
âMoving forward we expect that travel restrictions to COVID-19
affected areas will have modest effects, and that transmission-reduction
interventions will provide the greatest benefit to mitigate the
epidemic,â the authors wrote.
... By the time President Trump started implementing U.S. travel restrictions from China on February 2, nearly 40 countries had already enforced travel restrictions.
Because of Trumpâs late response, more than 430,000 people came to the United States
from China after Chinese officials notified the U.S. administration of
the seriousness of the Wuhan outbreakânearly 40,000 of whom arrived
after Trumpâs restrictions went into effect.
Trump
delayed U.S. travel restrictions from China despite warnings from his
own administration and other U.S. officials. On January 2âfour weeks
before Trump took actionâCenters for Disease Control and Prevention
(CDC) Director Robert Redfield warned the National Security Council
about the early cases of coronavirus in China and its potential spread
to the United States. U.S. Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar
relayed this message to Trump administration officials on January 3, telling his own chief-of-staff, âThis is a very big deal.â
Moreover, throughout January, the U.S. intelligence community warned about the threat of a global pandemic
in the presidentâs daily briefings. One official said of the situation,
âTrump may not have been expecting this, but a lot of other people in
the government were â they just couldnât get him to do anything about
it. ⦠The system was blinking red.â Instead, Trump seemed to be taking his cues
from China and President Xi Jinping. The president appeared to dismiss
intelligence reports because of âhis relationship with Chinaâs President
Xi Jinping, whom Trump believed was providing him with reliable
information about how the virus was spreading in China.â It was also
recently reported that American officials were embedded in the World
Health Organization in January who âtransmitted real-time informationâ about the coronavirus spread in China.
Early warnings from U.S. officials in January were also dismissed by Trumpâs economic advisers
in fear of angering Beijing; they âworried a tough approach toward
China could scuttle a trade deal that was a pillar of Mr. Trumpâs
re-election campaign.â Early
on, President Trump bowed to Chinese President Xi Jinping instead of
taking action to protect his own country. Three weeks after the White
House was warned of the coronavirusâs threat to the United States,
President Trump praised Chinaâs efforts in a tweet:
âChina has been working very hard to contain the Coronavirus. The
United States greatly appreciates their efforts and transparency. It
will all work out well. In particular, on behalf of the American People,
I want to thank President Xi!â As The New York Times reported,
âThe virus at first took a back seat to a desire not to upset Beijing
during trade talks, but later the impulse to score points against
Beijing left the worldâs two leading powers further divided as they
confronted one of the first truly global threats of the 21st century.â
Trump has now shifted his strategy, going all in on a âblame Chinaâ
campaign, which many advisers see as a key approach to his reelection odds.
In another example of the administrationâs careless response, Trump played seven rounds of golf and held four political rallies
during the time between the CDCâs first warning and the day U.S. travel
restrictions went into effect. The month between January 2, when the
CDC warned the White House, and February 2, when the U.S. government
started enforcing the travel ban, was a critical period for making
preparations to mitigate a potential outbreak in the United States. On
11 of those days, Trump either played golf or traveled to a political
rally.
âThe majority
is clearly European,â said Harm van Bakel, a geneticist at Icahn School
of Medicine at Mount Sinai, who co-wrote a study awaiting peer review.
A
separate team at N.Y.U. Grossman School of Medicine came to strikingly
similar conclusions, despite studying a different group of cases. Both
teams analyzed genomes from coronaviruses taken from New Yorkers
starting in mid-March.
The research
revealed a previously hidden spread of the virus that might have been
detected if aggressive testing programs had been put in place.
On Jan. 31, President Trump barred
foreign nationals from entering the country if they had been in China
during the prior two weeks.It would
not be until late February that Italy would begin locking down towns and
cities, and March 11 when Mr. Trump said he would block travelers from
most European countries. But New Yorkers had already been traveling home with the virus.
A real leader like your man for POTUS, Biden who called the China travel ban, which saved a whole shitload of lives, a racist, xenophobic act that was the most wrong headed thing that Trump could do and would do nothing to save lives.
If Biden was POTUS back then, most likely 10 times as many would be dead due to unrestricted travel from China to this country. Biden is Xi's bitch, bought and paid for with $1.2 billion dollars paid to Hunter.
Sorry Kurt. I realize facts aren't often kind to you, so we'll keep this short.
January 27, in writing, Joe Biden:
"The possibility of a pandemic is a
challenge Donald Trump is unqualified to handle as president. ⦠The
outbreak of a new coronavirus, which has already infected more than 2,700
people and killed over 80 in China, will get worse before it gets
better. Cases have been confirmed in a dozen countries, with at least
five in the United States. There will likely be more. ⦠To be blunt, I
am concerned that the Trump administrationâs shortsighted policies have
left us unprepared for a dangerous epidemic that will come sooner or
later."
Our Leaders' response almost a month later...
Feb 24 - âThe Coronavirus is very much under control in the USAâ. âWe are in contact with everyone and all relevant countries. CDC & World Health have been working hard and very smart Stock Market starting to look very good to me!â
You keep pointing at the China travel ban like Trump did something amazing. The US airlines had announced their plans to stop flying to China. The strain that killed the most Americans came from Europe, not Asia. He should have stopped travel from Europe if he was going to protect people, but instead banned travel except from the UK....then the UK. Real intellectual leadership there.
There are over 160,000 dead, and your boy is closing in on 100,000 of his own doing...TRUMP Death Clock
Wear a mask...don't wear a mask...it's simple stuff that he can't handle. If he eliminates the USPS by November, things could work
You keep talking about Biden and China....Ivanka has more patents than Edison at this point, including for Voting Machines. Maybe that's why Donnie hates mail-in ballots?
I honestly wish you were trolling...but I sadly think you believe the propaganda you type.
A real leader like your man for POTUS, Biden who called the China travel ban, which saved a whole shitload of lives, a racist, xenophobic act that was the most wrong headed thing that Trump could do and would do nothing to save lives.
If Biden was POTUS back then, most likely 10 times as many would be dead due to unrestricted travel from China to this country. Biden is Xi's bitch, bought and paid for with $1.2 billion dollars paid to Hunter.
The largest American office of China's largest bank sits on the 20th floor of Trump Tower, six levels below the desk where Donald Trump built an empire and wrested a presidency. It's hard to get a glimpse inside. There do not appear to be any public photos of the office, the bank doesn't welcome visitors, and a man guards the elevators downstairs—one of the perks of forking over an estimated $2 million a year for the space.
And this is before Ivankas trademarks were granted in China...
KarmaKarma wrote: Not a retweet here....this is what our "leader" is busy doing.
Let me guess...it's an allegory for the speed at which the virus has spread vs. how it would have spread with a leader?
A real leader like your man for POTUS, Biden who called the China travel ban, which saved a whole shitload of lives, a racist, xenophobic act that was the most wrong headed thing that Trump could do and would do nothing to save lives.
If Biden was POTUS back then, most likely 10 times as many would be dead due to unrestricted travel from China to this country. Biden is Xi's bitch, bought and paid for with $1.2 billion dollars paid to Hunter.
broadly speaking american voters are left, right and center/indy
about 1/3 each (from pew research about a year or so ago)
if one of the two major parties want to win they need the middle/moderate/centrist vote
cow-towing to silly extremes (either right of left) won't do it for now
dems are making the best of a bad situation
imho if they wanted the best chance to win, they should have had a booker/klobuchar ticket (which i've railed about before)
regards
The problem is in saying people who are solidly democrat are extremist, particularly using rather incendiary labels. I mean Kennedy, LBJ, Carter, Clinton, Obama, were pretty solid democrats but hardly Maoists. I maintain that the "establishment" democrats are what used to be called moderate republicans. I believe this is particularly true of Biden and Hillary before him.
Conflating the centre of the left-right continuum with independence is a mistake IMO. Remember Bernie is an independent. Actually there are two types of independent: 1) those whose politics don't align with either of the major parties, and 2) people whose politics sometimes align with one, sometime with the other *and* actually change their votes, based on the issues of the day. So some independents are going to vote democrat when push comes to shove, some will vote republican, some will vote 3rd party no matter what, and some will mix it up. There are also some democrats and republicans who won't vote for their party's candidate in some cases. I have conservative american friends who will not be voting for trump.
But what do you consider a bad situation that dems are trying to make the best of?
when i said that i was referring to the people/voters (not the politicians) left of bernie
broadly speaking american voters are left, right and center/indy
about 1/3 each (from pew research about a year or so ago)
if one of the two major parties want to win they need the middle/moderate/centrist vote
cow-towing to silly extremes (either right of left) won't do it for now
dems are making the best of a bad situation
imho if they wanted the best chance to win, they should have had a booker/klobuchar ticket (which i've railed about before)
regards
The problem is in saying people who are solidly democrat are extremist, particularly using rather incendiary labels. I mean Kennedy, LBJ, Carter, Clinton, Obama, were pretty solid democrats but hardly Maoists. I maintain that the "establishment" democrats are what used to be called moderate republicans. I believe this is particularly true of Biden and Hillary before him.
Conflating the centre of the left-right continuum with independence is a mistake IMO. Remember Bernie is an independent. Actually there are two types of independent: 1) those whose politics don't align with either of the major parties, and 2) people whose politics sometimes align with one, sometime with the other *and* actually change their votes, based on the issues of the day. So some independents are going to vote democrat when push comes to shove, some will vote republican, some will vote 3rd party no matter what, and some will mix it up. There are also some democrats and republicans who won't vote for their party's candidate in some cases. I have conservative american friends who will not be voting for trump.
But what do you consider a bad situation that dems are trying to make the best of?