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westslope

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Posted: Oct 7, 2020 - 7:04pm

rgio,   

The resource companies I invest in — example, oil & gas exploration companies in Colombia — have to have all their ESG ducks in order.  There has to be solid support all the way from the poorest campesinos in the region  to the highest level of the central government and the national security forces.  Otherwise, a company runs the serious risk of costly hold up or simply not being able to do anything.

It is good business.   Reducing carbon emissions is always good business because it reduces operating costs.  In some circumstances, reducing climate emissions can improve health outcomes due to the correlated reduction in small particulate matter emissions.

The environment and health do not have to be in contradiction, in some kind of zero-sum game with company profits and economic returns.  That is the old way of thinking.    

In the modern economy, workers are educated and increasingly valued for the ability to autonomously solve problems.  That kind of human capital is not easily or cost effectively replaced.  You have to treat your workers right.

If the company's operations reduce the water table, pot-hole up the roads and / or generate huge amounts of dust, the locals will get angry and if not careful the company might face road blocks or a public agency-imposed moratorium or withdrawl of the license.   Or worse yet, local folks will bitch and moan loud enough that sympathizers will take the complaints to Neo-Marxist guerrillas in the region who may then feel compelled to hurt the company's interests.  

ESG, taken seriously, is some of the best insurance that companies can buy in a rapidly  changing, uncertain world.  
haresfur

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Posted: Oct 7, 2020 - 6:12pm



 kurtster wrote:

Well based upon the bar set in the Trump thread, things have a long way to go before sinking to that level in here.  It is very well established that you can say anything you want about Trump and his supporters over in there with no objection other than by me or KK.

Biden sure as hell ain't no saint and is just as creepy as Trump or more so when looking backwards at his history in which he has been on both sides of every issue at least a couple of times.  He is demonstrably racist as well, with a long history of video clips to prove that point.

Be prepared for a veritable shit storm over President Biden since you all cannot call those disapproving of his policies racist because he isn't black just for openers.  This will be a whole new ballgame going forward.  You all will reap what you all have sown over in there.

Remember, the bar going forward will be what has been established in the Trump thread.  Speaking for myself only, it will be very hard to sink as low as some of you have gone over there.  I won't try, either.  Just making the shoe fit should be enough for me.
 


haresfur wrote:


kurtster wrote:


So is it true democrats are rooting for more CV 19 deaths to make sure that Trump doesn't get re elected ? I'm sure that I can find something to back that up if I look hard enough. If that's the way y'all want to roll here ...

WTF kurt? That sort of "is it true..." rhetoric is just a way to throw out some innuendo and pretend it is real.

And the answer to your question is, "no."






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Posted: Oct 7, 2020 - 5:24pm



 kurtster wrote:

Well based upon the bar set in the Trump thread, things have a long way to go before sinking to that level in here.  It is very well established that you can say anything you want about Trump and his supporters over in there with no objection other than by me or KK.

Biden sure as hell ain't no saint and is just as creepy as Trump or more so when looking backwards at his history in which he has been on both sides of every issue at least a couple of times.  He is demonstrably racist as well, with a long history of video clips to prove that point.

Be prepared for
a veritable shit storm over President Biden since you all cannot call those disapproving of his policies racist because he isn't black just for openers.  This will be a whole new ballgame going forward.  You all will reap what you all have sown over in there.

Remember, the bar going forward will be what has been established in the Trump thread.  Speaking for myself only, it will be very hard to sink as low as some of you have gone over there.  I won't try, either.  Just making the shoe fit should be enough for me.
 

But this is what the Trump presidency has been like: warning people about how bad things will be. 
rgio

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Posted: Oct 7, 2020 - 3:32pm



 R_P wrote:
 The Incumbent Limbo Dance Champion wrote:
Speaking for myself only, it will be very hard to sink as low as some of you have gone over there.  I won't try, either.


 
"And you could use my words against me and you'd be absolutely right."

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Posted: Oct 7, 2020 - 3:26pm

 The Incumbent Limbo Dance Champion wrote:
Speaking for myself only, it will be very hard to sink as low as some of you have gone over there.  I won't try, either.

Some records are almost impossible to break...
kurtster

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Posted: Oct 7, 2020 - 3:17pm

 buddy wrote:
 
You crack me up sometimes, Kurt.  I was having a challenging work day, thanks for lightening things up.

 
At your service, bra !
buddy

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Posted: Oct 7, 2020 - 3:09pm



 kurtster wrote:

Well based upon the bar set in the Trump thread, things have a long way to go before sinking to that level in here.  It is very well established that you can say anything you want about Trump and his supporters over in there with no objection other than by me or KK.

Biden sure as hell ain't no saint and is just as creepy as Trump or more so when looking backwards at his history in which he has been on both sides of every issue at least a couple of times.  He is demonstrably racist as well, with a long history of video clips to prove that point.

Be prepared for a veritable shit storm over President Biden since you all cannot call those disapproving of his policies racist because he isn't black just for openers.  This will be a whole new ballgame going forward.  You all will reap what you all have sown over in there.

Remember, the bar going forward will be what has been established in the Trump thread.  Speaking for myself only, it will be very hard to sink as low as some of you have gone over there.  I won't try, either.  Just making the shoe fit should be enough for me.
 
You crack me up sometimes, Kurt.  I was having a challenging work day, thanks for lightening things up.

kurtster

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Posted: Oct 7, 2020 - 3:06pm

 Steely_D wrote:


 kcar wrote:

Wow. This forum is going downhill fast. 
 

Expected. The way to make your candidate good is to make the other candidate bad. So there's gonna be a lot of drivel. Just like Trumpsters don't have an open mind, I'll admit mine's made up: Trump has done a horrible, disappointing job and there's no way I'd vote to put someone that incompetent back into office. Talk bad about Biden all you want; it really doesn't matter to me. Trump isn't even moderately successful and doesn't deserve another four years of worsening our nation. All this anti-Biden BS means nothing.
 
Well based upon the bar set in the Trump thread, things have a long way to go before sinking to that level in here.  It is very well established that you can say anything you want about Trump and his supporters over in there with no objection other than by me or KK.

Biden sure as hell ain't no saint and is just as creepy as Trump or more so when looking backwards at his history in which he has been on both sides of every issue at least a couple of times.  He is demonstrably racist as well, with a long history of video clips to prove that point.

Be prepared for a veritable shit storm over President Biden since you all cannot call those disapproving of his policies racist because he isn't black just for openers.  This will be a whole new ballgame going forward.  You all will reap what you all have sown over in there.

Remember, the bar going forward will be what has been established in the Trump thread.  Speaking for myself only, it will be very hard to sink as low as some of you have gone over there.  I won't try, either.  Just making the shoe fit should be enough for me.
pigtail

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Posted: Oct 7, 2020 - 1:08pm



 R_P wrote:
 

Straight out of the Netflix documentary "The Social Dilemma"  I advise all to check it out.  It's worth watching and helped me understand these adamant people and their theories.  Well a little better, anyway....lol
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Posted: Oct 7, 2020 - 11:20am

Michele Bachmann Warns That Joe Biden Will Make America Communist Within 100 Days

rgio

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Posted: Oct 7, 2020 - 5:29am



 westslope wrote:


 R_P wrote:
.......

You live in the Magical Kingdom of Capitalism. ......
 
Yes.   The overall material standards of living are outstanding by both historical and international standards.   It could be argued that Nordic social democracies  do capitalism extremely well, some would argue even better than the USA because economic property rights, individual and collective, are more secure.  The socio-economic outcomes are outstanding.

As a general rule, the better people cooperate, the better the economic outcomes.  Designing market institutions that work requires cooperation.  

Trump's zero-sum take on capitalism along with the nepotism, cronyism and corruption is but one vision of capitalism.  The international liberal order as represented by the OECD and negotiated freer trade deals are all about reducing the scope for the kind of thuggish, mercantile capitalism Team Trump would like to practice.  

While Trump tries to drag the USA back to a glorious era of Mafia-style capitalism, corporations are increasingly committing to ESG.  Environmental - Social - Governance.  It is a long ways from perfect but transparency and accountability have improved considerably.
 
Some really interesting comments.

The OECD is a great example of fairness, rulemaking, and an attempt to establish rules that are reasonable.  The rules have been established as a way to hold large corporations (and smaller ones too) accountable to the people who support their organizations.  If Facebook earns $1B in France from ads to French people, then they should pay corporate tax in France on that money, not be able to send it to the inter-company IP management entity set up in Ireland or Grand Cayman to avoid corporate income tax.  Europeans (IMO) deeply believe in that fairness and understand the policies and reasons much better than Americans.  

Americans, on the other hand, are always looking to pay less than their share.  The less a company pays in taxes, the more the value of the stock, the larger the payouts for the executives.  The measurements are all short term.  Almost nothing happens anymore in large corporations for the extended future, as the leadership won't invest (and reduce their profits/bonuses) for potential they won't get paid for.  We've lost our way.

Change to US corporations is still decades away.  The good news is that the pace of change has accelerated.  In 1965, the average tenure of S&P 500 companies was 33 years.  By 2026, it's expected to be around 14.  If younger leaders prioritize ESG as you point out, the older people are leaving the arena and change can happen fairly quickly.  The next generation (I think...) is a bit less greedy.  They were too young for the Gordon Gecko speeches.

westslope

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Posted: Oct 7, 2020 - 3:26am



 R_P wrote:
.......

You live in the Magical Kingdom of Capitalism. ......
 
Yes.   The overall material standards of living are outstanding by both historical and international standards.   It could be argued that Nordic social democracies  do capitalism extremely well, some would argue even better than the USA because economic property rights, individual and collective, are more secure.  The socio-economic outcomes are outstanding.

As a general rule, the better people cooperate, the better the economic outcomes.  Designing market institutions that work requires cooperation.  

Trump's zero-sum take on capitalism along with the nepotism, cronyism and corruption is but one vision of capitalism.  The international liberal order as represented by the OECD and negotiated freer trade deals are all about reducing the scope for the kind of thuggish, mercantile capitalism Team Trump would like to practice.  

While Trump tries to drag the USA back to a glorious era of Mafia-style capitalism, corporations are increasingly committing to ESG.  Environmental - Social - Governance.  It is a long ways from perfect but transparency and accountability have improved considerably.
Steely_D

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Posted: Oct 6, 2020 - 10:55pm



 kcar wrote:

Wow. This forum is going downhill fast. 
 

Expected. The way to make your candidate good is to make the other candidate bad. So there's gonna be a lot of drivel. Just like Trumpsters don't have an open mind, I'll admit mine's made up: Trump has done a horrible, disappointing job and there's no way I'd vote to put someone that incompetent back into office. Talk bad about Biden all you want; it really doesn't matter to me. Trump isn't even moderately successful and doesn't deserve another four years of worsening our nation. All this anti-Biden BS means nothing.
kcar

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Posted: Oct 6, 2020 - 8:03pm


Wow. This forum is going downhill fast. 
R_P

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Posted: Oct 6, 2020 - 5:52pm

 kurtster wrote:
Hillary isn't running this time.  Joe does accept Chinese yuan's and whatever currency they use in Ukraine. But it is hard to say who learned from who regarding Hillary and Joe.

They were partners in the whole Russia, Russia, Russia hoax.  That has been well established by now.
 
Deflection.

You live in the Magical Kingdom of Capitalism. Everything can be bought. Swampy Don knows this. And he (as well as access to him) can be bought just as easily, despite claiming otherwise (based on fake wealth).

Trump the Incorruptible!
rgio

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Posted: Oct 6, 2020 - 5:32pm



 kurtster wrote:

Hillary isn't running this time.  Joe does accept Chinese yuan's and whatever currency they use in Ukraine. But it is hard to say who learned from who regarding Hillary and Joe.

They were partners in the whole Russia, Russia, Russia hoax.  That has been well established by now.
 
Joe doesn't take yuan....he just accepts the dollars we send China in the largest trade deficit in 14 years, thanks to the great orange negotiator and his failed tariff charade.  

R_P

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Posted: Oct 6, 2020 - 5:25pm

 kurtster wrote:
Once upon a time that was true, sonny boy.  Not anymore.  . org is not a requirement for legitimacy anymore.

And if Biden was so bright, he would have figured out a way to block the redirect by now.

But no, he's a whore and will take money from wherever he can get it.
 
Nobody said anything about requirements. But .com is simply more improbable. .org is improbable too for a different reason.

joebiden.com could redirect the request to donaldjtrump.com. And so on.
kurtster

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Posted: Oct 6, 2020 - 5:23pm

 rgio wrote:
So vote for the guy woman who sells the office for roubles, shekels, and riyals.

 
Hillary isn't running this time.  Joe does accept Chinese yuan's and whatever currency they use in Ukraine. But it is hard to say who learned from who regarding Hillary and Joe.

They were partners in the whole Russia, Russia, Russia hoax.  That has been well established by now.
rgio

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Posted: Oct 6, 2020 - 5:17pm



 kurtster wrote:

But no, he's a whore and will take money from wherever he can get it.
 
So vote for the guy who sells the office for roubles, shekels, and riyals.

kurtster

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Posted: Oct 6, 2020 - 5:07pm

 R_P wrote:
 kurtster wrote:
Go ahead and type antifa.com into your browser and see where it takes you ...

You just cannot make this stuff up.
 
Getting a little slow, gramps.

Also, the .com is a clue.
 
Once upon a time that was true, sonny boy.  Not anymore.  . org is not a requirement for legitimacy anymore.

And if Biden was so bright, he would have figured out a way to block the redirect by now.

But no, he's a whore and will take money from wherever he can get it.
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