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Lazy8

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Posted: Jun 15, 2020 - 11:03am

kurtster wrote:
Citing the SPLC kills you before you get started, just sayin'.  You're just trying to wave your virtue signaling flag.

And something two years old commenting on something even older, fail.

The argument about defunding sanctuary entities does not address my concern which is that state and local enacted laws establishing sanctuary policies are not constitutional, period.

Just as it takes an act of Congress to defund sanctuary entities, it also takes an act of Congress to establish laws regarding immigration practices and procedures.

Does anyone remember Arizona and Gov Brewer vs Obama / Holder on some of the very same types of laws ?  Arizona lost when it got to court, even though their laws mirrored Congress'.

Dodge, again ...

SPLC has its problems, but their description of the actual state of the law (straightforward factual information you can look up to verify) is spot on.

You can argue about the impact of sanctuary cities on various things, but the law around them is clear and settled.

Arizona lost its case in front of the Supreme Court because Arizona was trying to control immigration law, a clear federal responsibility. States do not have that authority, just as they are not required to enforce immigration law or help the feds in their efforts. Sanctuary laws are well within state and municipal authority and constitutional limits. Get over it.
kurtster

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Posted: Jun 15, 2020 - 10:24am

Citing the SPLC kills you before you get started, just sayin'.  You're just trying to wave your virtue signaling flag.

And something two years old commenting on something even older, fail.

The argument about defunding sanctuary entities does not address my concern which is that state and local enacted laws establishing sanctuary policies are not constitutional, period.

Just as it takes an act of Congress to defund sanctuary entities, it also takes an act of Congress to establish laws regarding immigration practices and procedures.

Does anyone remember Arizona and Gov Brewer vs Obama / Holder on some of the very same types of laws ?  Arizona lost when it got to court, even though their laws mirrored Congress'.

Dodge, again ...
rgio

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Posted: Jun 15, 2020 - 6:32am



 islander wrote:
 
All of that may be true... but DJT is the GOAT on never allowing facts to spoil an argument built on fear and anger.   The base doesn't care.  What amazes me is that he is the only politician I know of who doesn't seem to care about saying anything to attract new followers?  He won last time and somehow believes he'll figure it out again.
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Posted: Jun 15, 2020 - 6:19am



 kurtster wrote:
What you two children fail to understand is that the sanctuary laws for lack of a better term, are unconstitutional.  Only Congress can make immigration laws and policy according to the Constitution.  This is not a 10th Amendment, state's rights issue.  And why many LEO's are openly ignoring them and acting otherwise in concert with the federal government's efforts to do its part.  I'm not aware of any LEO's being prosecuted for not following them, just being fired, which is much different from prosecution.  A prosecution would bring a court test of the laws which states and local governments are doing their best to avoid.  A simple job action avoids that.

I am confident that eventually these laws will be struck down.  Just because they are on the books does not mean they are Constitutional and valid, no matter how much you wish they were and which is the basis for your cackling below.
 

I know you don't give a crap about the reality of any of this, so just in case anyone else is interested enough to follow a link: 

https://www.splcenter.org/20180308/current-state-sanctuary-law


Among the points listed:
The president’s and attorney general’s threats to “defund” sanctuary cities are hollow because any such defunding would be unconstitutional. The Department of Justice admitted as much in a hearing in federal court, arguing that the executive order is just political posturing and does not actually change the law—although President Trump and Attorney General Sessions continue to threaten sanctuary cities with unconstitutional defunding. A federal court determined that such defunding would violate the Tenth Amendment, the spending power vested solely in Congress, and procedural and substantive due process protections.

kurtster

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Posted: Jun 15, 2020 - 1:39am

What you two children fail to understand is that the sanctuary laws for lack of a better term, are unconstitutional.  Only Congress can make immigration laws and policy according to the Constitution.  This is not a 10th Amendment, state's rights issue.  And why many LEO's are openly ignoring them and acting otherwise in concert with the federal government's efforts to do its part.  I'm not aware of any LEO's being prosecuted for not following them, just being fired, which is much different from prosecution.  A prosecution would bring a court test of the laws which states and local governments are doing their best to avoid.  A simple job action avoids that.

I am confident that eventually these laws will be struck down.  Just because they are on the books does not mean they are Constitutional and valid, no matter how much you wish they were and which is the basis for your cackling below.
Red_Dragon

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Posted: Jun 14, 2020 - 1:39pm



 islander wrote:

Just so we have some clarity, border laws are good and should be supported with military force, but laws that to reign in police action based on duties they shouldn't be performing are fine to break?

I'd ask you to clarify which laws you think we should arbitrarily ignore, but I think I have a pretty good idea.
 

He's simply staying true to form - just like his hero. Law And Order only so long as the laws and orders suit his purposes.
islander

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Posted: Jun 14, 2020 - 1:23pm



 kurtster wrote:

I say Bravo !  The Sanctuary laws are complete bull puckey and hurt citizens and favor and protect criminals, regardless of wording or intent.
 

Just so we have some clarity, border laws are good and should be supported with military force, but laws that to reign in police action based on duties they shouldn't be performing are fine to break?

I'd ask you to clarify which laws you think we should arbitrarily ignore, but I think I have a pretty good idea.
kurtster

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Posted: Jun 14, 2020 - 11:16am

 Red_Dragon wrote: 
I say Bravo !  The Sanctuary laws are complete bull puckey and hurt citizens and favor and protect criminals, regardless of wording or intent.
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Posted: Jun 14, 2020 - 7:49am

IN A PRIVATE FACEBOOK GROUP, CALIFORNIA POLICE BRAG ABOUT BREAKING STATE LAW TO HELP ICE
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Posted: Jun 12, 2020 - 11:00am



 R_P wrote:
More cases of US police brutality emerge as protests continue against murder of George Floyd
The Austin, Texas, Police Department released new video footage this week related to the murder of Javier Ambler in March 2019. The police initially pursued Ambler because he had not dimmed the lights on his Honda. After being chased for 20 minutes, Ambler stopped and exited the vehicle. According to the official account, he “did not immediately comply with the deputy’s verbal command.” This led two of the deputies to use their tasers to ensure compliance. Ambler’s arrest was being filmed for the A&E reality show, Live PD.

As reported in Vox, the Texas attorney general’s office euphemistically describes what unfolded as follows: “Once in custody, deputies noticed the driver was unresponsive. Deputies were unable to locate a pulse and began chest compressions until EMS arrived and took over life saving interventions.” The reality is far more grotesque.

The recently released video footage shows an apparently sober and unarmed Ambler on his stomach as officers try to handcuff him. Repeatedly calling the officers “sir,” Ambler can be heard telling them that he has congestive heart failure and that he is not resisting arrest.

One of the officers can be heard remarking, “I am pretty sure I just broke his finger,” as they place the handcuffs. Ambler can be heard repeating, “I can’t breathe.” The medical examiner later found that Ambler died because of “extensive restraint,” along with congestive heart failure and hypertensive cardiovascular disease.

 

People with congestive heart failure should be happy to die in order to keep the streets safe, just like old people should be happy to die to keep the economy going
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Posted: Jun 12, 2020 - 5:51am

Experts: Police ‘woefully undertrained’ in use of force
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Posted: Jun 11, 2020 - 9:29am

More cases of US police brutality emerge as protests continue against murder of George Floyd
The Austin, Texas, Police Department released new video footage this week related to the murder of Javier Ambler in March 2019. The police initially pursued Ambler because he had not dimmed the lights on his Honda. After being chased for 20 minutes, Ambler stopped and exited the vehicle. According to the official account, he “did not immediately comply with the deputy’s verbal command.” This led two of the deputies to use their tasers to ensure compliance. Ambler’s arrest was being filmed for the A&E reality show, Live PD.

As reported in Vox, the Texas attorney general’s office euphemistically describes what unfolded as follows: “Once in custody, deputies noticed the driver was unresponsive. Deputies were unable to locate a pulse and began chest compressions until EMS arrived and took over life saving interventions.” The reality is far more grotesque.

The recently released video footage shows an apparently sober and unarmed Ambler on his stomach as officers try to handcuff him. Repeatedly calling the officers “sir,” Ambler can be heard telling them that he has congestive heart failure and that he is not resisting arrest.

One of the officers can be heard remarking, “I am pretty sure I just broke his finger,” as they place the handcuffs. Ambler can be heard repeating, “I can’t breathe.” The medical examiner later found that Ambler died because of “extensive restraint,” along with congestive heart failure and hypertensive cardiovascular disease.

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Posted: Jun 10, 2020 - 4:05pm

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Posted: Jun 10, 2020 - 12:04pm

https://www.thedailybeast.com/ed-asner-on-how-trumps-anti-protest-authoritarianism-has-echoes-of-venezuela?ref=home

Pro-tRump "Ghost Skins" and nasty racist Police Chiefs want to mess up November (and with Putin's help start a civil war), dirty Don hasn't hit bottom yet
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Posted: Jun 10, 2020 - 10:30am



 R_P wrote:
 
Wow. Just, wow.
c.

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Posted: Jun 10, 2020 - 9:51am

Hopeful that Minneapolis policing will change? Meet the police union's chief ...
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Posted: Jun 9, 2020 - 6:42pm

Confessions of a Former Bastard Cop
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Posted: Jun 9, 2020 - 5:54pm

“Light 'Em Up”
Warrior-Cops Are the Law — and Above the Law — as Violence Grips America

Cops has faced scrutiny over the years for the way it depicts suspects and police tactics. A podcast called Running From Cops detailed how officers would sometimes coerce subjects into signing releases to be filmed for the show, and that crewmembers have carried weapons and assisted police.

kurtster

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Posted: Jun 9, 2020 - 5:48pm

 Red_Dragon wrote:
Police Officers Slashed Car Tires During Minneapolis Protests, Police Agencies Say

And their stated reasons for doing so are pure bullshit.
 
{#Whisper}  old news, richard posted about this yesterday.  Just a couple of posts below.  Hard to miss.  You two need to co-ordinate.

or maybe it's a language barrier ...
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Posted: Jun 9, 2020 - 5:13pm

Police Officers Slashed Car Tires During Minneapolis Protests, Police Agencies Say

And their stated reasons for doing so are pure bullshit.
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