OK.  Just had a really dumb question pop into my head.  Here it is:

Is it not possible to train police officers to shoot to immobilize without killing the suspect?

 sirdroseph wrote:

More police die by suicide than by other causes?   I did not know that.

Grim list of deaths at police hands grows even after verdict

Few Charges, Fewer Convictions: The Chauvin Trial and the History of Police Violence
A review of 19 deaths of Black Americans involving police officers shows that, despite public outrage, guilty verdicts are rare.

 R_P wrote:

Oops, wrong gun. Sorry.

Never mind that the Taser is a bright banana yellow...

I don't know what magic BillG used to turn bold back on but it sure shows up now. 

Oops, wrong gun. Sorry.

Fresno police fires officer for alleged involvement with Proud Boys

here is an example of how quickly things can go bad (nothing visually graphic but you get the idea)

woman calls for help dealing with an abusive man...

 haresfur wrote:
 
you should watch it

and is there a legit argument for  guided policing/law enforcement?  something that may have better outcomes? 

absolutely, especially when there is a chance for the initiation of a strategy (serving a warrant for example)

 miamizsun wrote:
 
Ok, I haven't watched this because time, but I have done quite a few role-playing training exercises for various things and there is tremendous potential for abuse in setting up situations to have predetermined outcomes that just reinforce the biases of the trainers rather than actually training people for reasonably realistic situations. It is hard to balance low-probability/high risk events with high-probability/low risk events, but the result is often to elevate the significance of the low probability events, particularly in the case of police where there is very low probability of consequences for blowing citizens away because you thought there was a slight possibility of them trying to harm you.

role reversal of sorts...

 cc_rider wrote:
 
Heaven forbid you should walk in the street where at least the snow is packed down

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/u...

c.

 miamizsun wrote:
 
Sure, but it's not as much FUN. Where else are they gonna use all those fancy military-grade toys?

Local (former) Sheriff escalated situations for ratings. Which led to at least one death. See: 'Live PD Williamson County'. 

FYI, Wil-co recently elected the first Dem Sheriff in something like 20 years. Whats-his-name is still costing them a fortune, in $$$ and reputation.
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 miamizsun wrote:
 
Saw that big time over here. Praying for everyone.

unfortunately a couple of fbi agents were killed here yesterday

just thinking about the process of capturing a human being

safety, resistance, leverage, difficulty, strategy, etc.

could it be safer and easier to arrest someone once outside their nest/burrow/home turf?

is there a  way to minimize risk for all involved? 

might produce a better outcome or the odds of a better outcome

Police evidently incapable of controlling a nine year-old girl without the use of handcuffs and pepper spray.

Fatal Police Shootings Of Unarmed Black People Reveal Troubling Patterns