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Lazy8

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Posted: Apr 24, 2019 - 8:51am

ScottFromWyoming wrote:
Correct. But rule one when you've done something that might get you sued is Never Admit Fault (including saying you're sorry).

On a slightly unrelated note, I think we've established that massive punitive damages, while merited in individual cases, don't improve outcomes in the aggregate. I'm sure there are stats that show the frequency of this sort of case is actually declining, but it's harder to understand now that we have internets and can sort things out without actually leaving our desks, most of the time.

Agree that punitive damages don't help, disagree that they are ever merited. Punishment is not what civil law is for, that's what criminal law is for. Adding punishment to civil law distorts the outcomes as well as the process.

The process itself is punitive, tho not intentionally. Things like discovery get abused to make it abusive, and the cost of the process is by itself a weapon.

I'm also fascinated that what got the comments was the likelihood that she will sue rather than the abuse of power that caused the problem in the first place. None of y'all can see this happening to you?
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Posted: Apr 24, 2019 - 8:50am



 Red_Dragon wrote:

Lawyers gotta eat, same as snakes.
 

I think the quote is "buzzards gotta eat, same as worms..."

but who's counting?
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Posted: Apr 24, 2019 - 7:51am



 Lazy8 wrote:
ScottFromWyoming wrote:
"Foster is meeting with her attorney Monday."

:popcorn:

And it will end up costing everybody a massive wad of money and tie cops up in civil court for months when a simple effort to make amends—a couple of phone calls, a simple apology, maybe a check to compensate for the damage done—could have left the lawyers out of it and gotten her back her life.
 

Correct. But rule one when you've done something that might get you sued is Never Admit Fault (including saying you're sorry).

On a slightly unrelated note, I think we've established that massive punitive damages, while merited in individual cases, don't improve outcomes in the aggregate. I'm sure there are stats that show the frequency of this sort of case is actually declining, but it's harder to understand now that we have internets and can sort things out without actually leaving our desks, most of the time.
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Posted: Apr 24, 2019 - 6:07am

 Lazy8 wrote:
And it will end up costing everybody a massive wad of money and tie cops up in civil court for months when a simple effort to make amends—a couple of phone calls, a simple apology, maybe a check to compensate for the damage done—could have left the lawyers out of it and gotten her back her life.

 
Lawyers gotta eat, same as snakes.
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Posted: Apr 23, 2019 - 9:46pm

ScottFromWyoming wrote:
"Foster is meeting with her attorney Monday."

:popcorn:

And it will end up costing everybody a massive wad of money and tie cops up in civil court for months when a simple effort to make amends—a couple of phone calls, a simple apology, maybe a check to compensate for the damage done—could have left the lawyers out of it and gotten her back her life.
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Posted: Apr 23, 2019 - 11:00am



 Lazy8 wrote:
 

"Foster is meeting with her attorney Monday."

:popcorn:
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Posted: Apr 23, 2019 - 8:57am

Mistaken identity. Oopsies. No apology.

She spent a week in jail. Lost her job and her kids. Then, all charges were dropped


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Posted: Apr 6, 2019 - 6:39am

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Posted: Mar 7, 2019 - 12:57am

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After public pressure forced the FBI to officially pull out of an event sponsored by a SPLC-designated hate group, the Bureau agreed to a secret liaison with them

(...) ACT For America is known for their connections to senior government officials such as former Central Intelligence Agency Director and current Secretary of State Pompeo. The group is also known for stoking fears of Muslims, pushing Sharia law conspiracy theories, and promoting anti-Muslim legislation. These facts were not only known to the FBI, they were cited in the earliest documents in the recently released file.

One of the FBI’s earliest known dealings with ACT For America was in January of 2015, when the Bureau planned to send an FBI representative to a February event called “Domestic Jihad & ISIS”, hosted by St. Mary’s University’s Center for Terrorism Law in San Antonio. The Bureau’s representative was apparently to present a “keynote address” at the event, which also would have featured former FBI agent John Guandolo. In response to public pressure, the FBI pulled out of the event. A new FOIA request has been filed to learn more.

Guandolo is considered to be a conspiracy theorist with a shaky record at the Bureau as a result of him having a sexual relationship with a key witness in a Congress member’s corruption trial. Guandolo would later appear as a guest speaker at another ACT event. (...)

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And, just days after Clark was killed, two police unions donated a total of $13,000 to the woman investigating the shooting, Sacramento DA Anne Marie Schubert. “It’s not an exception to the rule – it is the rule. Their relationships with each other are incestuous,” said Cat Brooks, executive director of the Oakland-based Justice Teams Network. “Prosecutors are beholden to law enforcement unions. You can’t engender trust when those relationships are so tightly wound.”

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Posted: Dec 22, 2018 - 8:13pm

 Lazy8 wrote:
From an Institute For Justice press release:
Residents of Indio, California, got an early Christmas gift today. The city agreed to end one of the most abusive policing for profit schemes IJ has ever seen. For four years, Indio not only filled its coffers by fining its citizens for such frivolous “infractions” as sun-damaged address numbers and unmowed grass, it also charged homeowners thousands of dollars for the costs of prosecuting their own cases! These fees went straight into the bank account of the private law firm the city had hired to enforce its codes.

IJ filed a class action suit in February of this year on behalf of victims like our lead client, Ramona Morales, who was charged $6,000 in prosecution fees for a $225 ticket. We set out to shut down this scheme and seek justice for everyone who was victimized by it. As of today, every Indio resident who was caught up in this scheme will get their money back.

IJ’s suit also prompted state legislative reform, which now prohibits cities from charging residents prosecution fees in criminal code enforcement cases. But even though California law has changed and Indio residents are getting their money back, our case will continue against the city of Coachella, which ran the same for-profit prosecution scam and has yet to make amends to its victims.


 
lordy. seems like the world is on what umberto eco would say is cultural hyper speed that 15 years ago (things took a sharp turn at Y2K) we would have been astonished at, unless you were marginalized and exploited. i don't know where to focus: the disintegration of the nation state? the abusive of the social contract by those who we give authority can be seen in every country. some way out in the open, other countries much more covert. i never thought it would actually be dangerous to be having public discourse on how our states are policed. 

what seems outrageous is that this problem has escalated so fast, yet it's always been there. i repeat in every nation state. in order to keep a state secure, the nation must relinquish some freedoms.

i don't think we're getting either. as the nation state erodes itself, somehow coinciding with really apocalyptic storms gets one to thinking. which way to go? the gangs of new york run amok or the matrix? i know, both.  


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Posted: Dec 21, 2018 - 11:42am

From an Institute For Justice press release:
Residents of Indio, California, got an early Christmas gift today. The city agreed to end one of the most abusive policing for profit schemes IJ has ever seen. For four years, Indio not only filled its coffers by fining its citizens for such frivolous “infractions” as sun-damaged address numbers and unmowed grass, it also charged homeowners thousands of dollars for the costs of prosecuting their own cases! These fees went straight into the bank account of the private law firm the city had hired to enforce its codes.

IJ filed a class action suit in February of this year on behalf of victims like our lead client, Ramona Morales, who was charged $6,000 in prosecution fees for a $225 ticket. We set out to shut down this scheme and seek justice for everyone who was victimized by it. As of today, every Indio resident who was caught up in this scheme will get their money back.

IJ’s suit also prompted state legislative reform, which now prohibits cities from charging residents prosecution fees in criminal code enforcement cases. But even though California law has changed and Indio residents are getting their money back, our case will continue against the city of Coachella, which ran the same for-profit prosecution scam and has yet to make amends to its victims.

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Posted: Dec 20, 2018 - 8:41pm

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Posted: Dec 12, 2018 - 10:56pm

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Posted: Nov 28, 2018 - 9:52am

Ex-Police Chief Gets 3 Years In Prison For Framing Innocent Black People
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Posted: Nov 12, 2018 - 10:34am

Officer shoots, kills armed security guard outside south suburban bar
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