Fake terror plots, paid informants: the tactics of FBI 'entrapment' questioned

 helenofjoy wrote: 


Retired Philadelphia Police Captain Ray Lewis Arrested at OWS, Calls NYPD Rationale ‘a Farce'
by Kevin Pinner
November 17, 2011

Among those arrested was retired Philadelphia Police Captain Ray Lewis, who said, "All the cops are just workers for the one percent, and they don't even realize they're being exploited."

Ray Lewis, who retired in 2004, has a lot of interesting things to say, and I want you to hear as much of it as possible.

"They complained about the park being dirty," he said over the OWS Livefeed last night. "Here they are worrying about dirty parks when people are starving to death, where people are freezing, where people are sleeping in subways and they're concerned about a dirty park. That's obnoxious, it's arrogant, it's ignorant, it's disgusting."

What does that say about NYPD's credibility? This guy did not run the police department of Anytown, USA — he ran the police department in Philadelphia, a city that can only be compared to a few other American cities in terms of size and scope, namely New York...

In another excerpt from a late night (circa 2 a.m.) interview done over OWS Livestream, Ray Lewis said the following about police tactics:

"You should, by law, only use force to protect someone's life or to protect them from being bodily injured. If you're not protecting somebody's life or protecting them from bodily injury, there's no need to use force. And the number one thing that they always have in their favor that they seldom use is negotiation-continue to talk, and talk and talk to people. You have nothing to lose by that. This bullrush-what happened last night is totally uncalled for when they did not use negotiation long enough."

 romeotuma wrote:  
I wonder what they thought the "violent" part was!  Resisting being assaulted is now violence? 

UC cops' use of batons on Occupy camp questioned
by Will Kane and Demian Bulwa
San Francisco Chronicle
11-11-11


A debate over the use of police force has reignited at the UC Berkeley campus after videos surfaced showing officers repeatedly shoving and jabbing screaming students who tried to keep officers from dismantling a nascent Occupy encampment.

The videos taken by protesters, journalists and casual observers show UC Berkeley police and Alameda County sheriff's deputies in riot gear ordering students with linked arms to leave a grassy area outside the campus administration building Wednesday. When the students didn't move, police lowered their face shields and began hitting the protesters with batons.

University police say the students, who chanted "You're beating students" during the incident, were not innocent bystanders, and that the human fence they tried to build around seven tents amounted to a violent stance against police.

But many law enforcement experts said Thursday that the officers' tactics appeared to be a severe overreaction.

Both the ACLU and the National Lawyers Guild said they had "grave concerns about the conduct" of campus police...

 

 sirdroseph wrote: 
Our granddaughter's step-dad is a moronic asshat who can't seem to respect others on the road (and those in his car whom he claims to love) by driving reasonably close to the speed limit. Further, he can't seem to man up and take responsibility for his stupid, selfish, poor decisions. Instead, he whines like some p_$$_ to the rest of his family about how the evil cops are just out to get him. He has our granddaughter believing that the cops are the bad guys! At best, we get one day a week to counter the indoctrination by telling her how the police are there to help her and should be the 1st people she seeks out if she is ever feeling seriously threatened. Needless to say, it's hard countering that douchebag. Worse yet, you all gotta know he's not the only one who's spouting this nonsense to children, thereby yielding a whole sub-class of society who will view law enforcement as someone you flee from, lie to, and hinder. FSM help us.

And, yes, I know that all of them are not good, but the majority really are. You just have to take off the s#!t-stained glasses before you look at them.

The right of citizens to videotape police
by Jonathan Turley
Los Angeles Times
November 8, 2011
Actions against citizen videographers go against not just the Constitution but good public policy. Without a videotape, Rodney King would have been just another guy with a prior record claiming abuse.

 romeotuma wrote: 

 

 
 
 UHF, 1989 

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:
  Yes, it was. Mr. Brooks paraphrased it from the original. Damn funny line, regardless.

 oldslabsides wrote: 
Romeo's quote was correct.

 cc_rider wrote: 

nobody ever said "play it again Sam" either.

 romeotuma wrote: 
Badges? We ain't got no badges. We don't need no badges. I don't have to show you any stinking badges. — The Treasure of the Sierra Madre, 1948

Supreme Court Sees Shades of 1984 in Unchecked GPS Tracking
by David Cravets
WIRED
November 8, 2011


WASHINGTON — A number of Supreme Court justices invoked the specter of Big Brother while hearing arguments Tuesday over whether the police may secretly attach GPS devices on Americans' cars without getting a probable-cause warrant.

While many justices said the concept was unsettling, the high court gave no clear indication on how it will rule in what is arguably one of the biggest Fourth Amendment cases in the computer age. The Obama administration maintains that Americans have no privacy rights when it comes to their movements in public...

 

 

 RASPUTIN wrote: 

You know, I have heard parents kidding around saying stuff like that to their kids and never gave it much thought. Just chalked it up to innocuous joking, but I see your point. Children get enough of being drummed in their head that any dealings with police are bad and should be avoided at all cost through their peers they don't need it further perpetuated by their parents. Now granted, philosophically I preach that the less you are in the company of police and lawyers, the better you are probably living your life, but that is a different subject.

 RASPUTIN wrote: 
Mom never threatened me about youse. But youse had those guns, and I have always had an irrational fear of them.

But where's my flashlight and badge? Huh? Where!

"Badges? We don't need no stinking badges."  —Blazing Saddles, 1974

 

 

 RASPUTIN wrote: 



Indeed.

 Beaker wrote: 
... said the King of Hate aka The Teflon Troll

Here's the deal. The next time I'm in a Walmart buying a bunch of small LED flashlights on sale so I can hand them out to kids with a little plastic sheriff's badge, shake their hands and tell them I'm glad to see them, you in your infinite wisdom tell your kid, "See, here comes a deputy. If you don't start acting right I'll tell him to take you to jail." I walk up and smack you right in the pie hole for being an idiot, don't bother calling in a complaint on me. Reason being...you ARE an idiot for telling a kid that. You can take your Those Lovable Policeman thread and shove it right up your ass.

Police crack down on 'Occupy Wall Street' protests

Police have been accused of heavy-handed tactics after making 80 arrests on Saturday when protesters marched uptown from their makeshift camp in a private park in the financial district.