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Danimal174

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Jan 28, 2010 - 8:39am |
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Speaking of women and music...for those who don't know, Lilith Fair returns this summer.  Confirmed acts so far include Sarah McLachlan, Loretta Lynn, Indigo Girls, Beth Orton, Colbie Caillat, Norah Jones, Emmylou Harris, Heart, and a ton of other great acts. I'm really looking forward to seeing this, and can't wait to see which acts will be playing the shows around here. I've seen Sarah once in concert, and she is amazing, I think. Here's a link to the official site for it - http://www.lilithfair.com/ .
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meower

Location: i believe, i believe, it's silly, but I believe Gender:  
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Jan 28, 2010 - 8:26am |
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Jimi_the_Saint wrote: Perhaps as a singer/songwriter, she is equal to Dylan - but by the time Joni came down from the Great White North to sing her folk songs, Dylan had already been there, done that and moved on to pioneer folk-rock. In addidtion, Joni's body of influencial music spans about four albums in my opinion (Clouds, Blue, Court and Spark and For the Roses). Dylan, on the other hand, has a body of influencial music that easily exceeds twice that number of albums. So, those things being said, is Joni Mitchell as important or iconic as Bob Dylan? I don't think so, although I'm a big fan of hers. I'm not even saying that I like Dylan better (OK, I do) - I'm just saying that I believe he is more important to the musical landscape than Joni was.
Aretha, on the other hand - I doubt there is any man that can compare to Aretha. She really had no rival, male or female, in her wheelhouse.
J, You're missing something here ~ most artists who were influenced by Joni would call you to listen and experience her work with Jaco Pastorius, Don Alias, Pat Methany, Michael Brecker and Lyle Mays. as in: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter, Mingus and Shadows and Light. No, one compares to Dylan and I think it unfair to say that the musician to whom and artist should be compared is Dylan.
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bokey

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Jan 28, 2010 - 8:11am |
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No mention of Chrissy Hynde?
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Jimi_the_Saint

Location: Kan-tu-kee Gender:  
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Jan 28, 2010 - 8:07am |
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Hairfarmer wrote: And Joni is easily in the same league as any of the artists in your boy's list.
Perhaps as a singer/songwriter, she is equal to Dylan - but by the time Joni came down from the Great White North to sing her folk songs, Dylan had already been there, done that and moved on to pioneer folk-rock. In addition, Joni's body of influencial music spans about four albums in my opinion (Clouds, Blue, Court and Spark and For the Roses). Dylan, on the other hand, has a body of influencial music that easily exceeds twice that number of albums. So, those things being said, is Joni Mitchell as important or iconic as Bob Dylan? I don't think so, although I'm a big fan of hers. I'm not even saying that I like Dylan better (OK, I do) - I'm just saying that I believe he is more important to the musical landscape than Joni was. Aretha, on the other hand - I doubt there is any man that can compare to Aretha. She really had no rival, male or female, in her wheelhouse.
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hippiechick

Location: topsy turvy land Gender:  
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Jan 28, 2010 - 7:02am |
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muzik wrote: I don't think Patti Smith is considered pop.
Patti Smith, Joan Jett, Heart, Pat Benatar, L7...just a few I can think of that that are considered to be "rock" stars.
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muzik

Location: Montana Gender:  
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Jan 28, 2010 - 6:02am |
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hippiechick wrote: Women's music is often considered to be "pop" music, therefore making it less valuable than even the most mediocre men's music.
I don't think Patti Smith is considered pop.
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meower

Location: i believe, i believe, it's silly, but I believe Gender:  
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Jan 28, 2010 - 5:58am |
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Hairfarmer wrote: I feel pretty sure that the only reason there have not been as many female ground-breakers as males, in the professional music industry is because the industry has always been run by men. They're in it as a business and in the early days most producers and record company honchos were pretty much stuck with "Do I like it and do I think it'll sell" when it came to marketing/artist signing decisions. Since they, most likey, dismissed 90% of the female artists who tried to get records made because of not being able to relate to the work of those artists then it's easy to see where the dominance of male artists in the industry came from.
And Joni is easily in the same league as any of the artists in your boy's list.
I agree. and thus men shaped and influenced music. and, the truth is, I prefer the female vocal sound to the male..... EXspecially in the jazz genre.....
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hippiechick

Location: topsy turvy land Gender:  
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Jan 27, 2010 - 3:26pm |
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sirdroseph wrote:
I don't agree with you in as far as female vs. male importance to musical landscape. I think those very women and more that you mentioned are equal to the male examples you stated and in general. However, I do for the most part prefer male voices over females in general. This is just a personal preference of mine and no statement to overall gender contributions to musical history. Just my 2 cents.
Women's music is often considered to be "pop" music, therefore making it less valuable than even the most mediocre men's music.
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sirdroseph

Location: Yes Gender:  
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Jan 27, 2010 - 2:22pm |
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Jimi_the_Saint wrote:I'm going to play Devil's Advocate here and see what the response is. Prepare to focus your ire thisaway. I think that women tend to get somewhat overshadowed in the music industry because, historically, there are very few groundbreaking female artists compared to groundbreaking male artists.
Don't misunderstand me. I am a big fan of many, many female musicians/singers, both from yesteryear and today. I think the musical universe would be boring and stagnant if not for some very important and influencial women like Aretha Franklin, Joni Mitchell, Patsy Cline, Billie Holiday, Patti Smith and Janis Joplin. You could argue that those ladies (and a few more) are as important to the musical landscape as any man, but I would respectfully diasagree. I personally feel that artists like Led Zep, Bob Dylan, Elvis Presley, Chuck Berry, Bill Monroe, The Beatles, Miles Davis, The Rolling Stones and Robert Johnson have no equal female counterparts. I could possibly include Aretha with those fellas, but that's about as far as I'm willing to concede. And, I'm only talking about modern music. If we go back to the classic masters, it becomes even more one-sided.
My point is that I believe men shaped many of the musical genres that we hold dear today and that the men many people (myself included) consider them to be the pioneers of popular and important music. Is it because women weren't given the same opportunities in the business? I guess it could be a factor, but using sexism as a scapegoat sounds like a bad argument to me. I don't agree with you in as far as female vs. male importance to musical landscape. I think those very women and more that you mentioned are equal to the male examples you stated and in general. However, I do for the most part prefer male voices over females in general. This is just a personal preference of mine and no statement to overall gender contributions to musical history. Just my 2 cents.
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bokey

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Jan 27, 2010 - 2:19pm |
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Why isn't there a "Women and Music and Beer thread? "
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Mot

Location: 53562 Gender:  
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Jan 27, 2010 - 2:10pm |
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MsJudi wrote:This might have the effect of throwing gas on a flame, but I think if you had a chance to ask most female musicians who have "made" it in the music business, they will tell you that the reason there aren't MORE of them is plain and simple sexism. Music has classicly been a male-dominated field and despite obvious stand-outs, women have gotten the shorter end of that stick. A lot of women's careers get the pop send-up by the business, resulting in their careers being short and without much merit. The true (female) rockers have to fight through a lot of stereotyping before they are accepted by exces, other musicians and listeners. Girls Rock Radio
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Hairfarmer

Location: The birthplace of Rock & Roll, baby. Gender:  
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Jan 27, 2010 - 2:09pm |
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Jimi_the_Saint wrote:I'm going to play Devil's Advocate here and see what the response is. Prepare to focus your ire thisaway. I think that women tend to get somewhat overshadowed in the music industry because, historically, there are very few groundbreaking female artists compared to groundbreaking male artists.
Don't misunderstand me. I am a big fan of many, many female musicians/singers, both from yesteryear and today. I think the musical universe would be boring and stagnant if not for some very important and influencial women like Aretha Franklin, Joni Mitchell, Patsy Cline, Billie Holiday, Patti Smith and Janis Joplin. You could argue that those ladies (and a few more) are as important to the musical landscape as any man, but I would respectfully diasagree. I personally feel that artists like Led Zep, Bob Dylan, Elvis Presley, Chuck Berry, Bill Monroe, The Beatles, Miles Davis, The Rolling Stones and Robert Johnson have no equal female counterparts. I could possibly include Aretha with those fellas, but that's about as far as I'm willing to concede. And, I'm only talking about modern music. If we go back to the classic masters, it becomes even more one-sided.
My point is that I believe men shaped many of the musical genres that we hold dear today and that the men many people (myself included) consider them to be the pioneers of popular and important music. Is it because women weren't given the same opportunities in the business? I guess it could be a factor, but using sexism as a scapegoat sounds like a bad argument to me. I feel pretty sure that the only reason there have not been as many female ground-breakers as males, in the professional music industry is because the industry has always been run by men. They're in it as a business and in the early days most producers and record company honchos were pretty much stuck with "Do I like it and do I think it'll sell" when it came to marketing/artist signing decisions. Since they, most likey, dismissed 90% of the female artists who tried to get records made because of not being able to relate to the work of those artists then it's easy to see where the dominance of male artists in the industry came from. And Joni is easily in the same league as any of the artists in your boy's list.
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Jimi_the_Saint

Location: Kan-tu-kee Gender:  
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Jan 27, 2010 - 1:25pm |
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I'm going to play Devil's Advocate here and see what the response is. Prepare to focus your ire thisaway. I think that women tend to get somewhat overshadowed in the music industry because, historically, there are very few groundbreaking female artists compared to groundbreaking male artists.
Don't misunderstand me. I am a big fan of many, many female musicians/singers, both from yesteryear and today. I think the musical universe would be boring and stagnant if not for some very important and influencial women like Aretha Franklin, Joni Mitchell, Patsy Cline, Billie Holiday, Patti Smith and Janis Joplin. You could argue that those ladies (and a few more) are as important to the musical landscape as any man, but I would respectfully diasagree. I personally feel that artists like Led Zep, Bob Dylan, Elvis Presley, Chuck Berry, Bill Monroe, The Beatles, Miles Davis, The Rolling Stones and Robert Johnson have no equal female counterparts. I could possibly include Aretha with those fellas, but that's about as far as I'm willing to concede. And, I'm only talking about modern music. If we go back to the classic masters, it becomes even more one-sided.
My point is that I believe men shaped many of the musical genres that we hold dear today and that many people (myself included) consider them to be the pioneers of popular and important music. Is it because women weren't given the same opportunities in the business? I guess it could be a factor, but using sexism as a scapegoat sounds like a bad argument to me.
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JRenea

Location: Austin, of course Gender:  
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Jan 27, 2010 - 12:51pm |
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cc_rider wrote:Then take either one away, and you've got another fine song.
I resemble that remark.
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Coaxial

Location: 543 miles west of Paradis,1491 miles eas Gender:  
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Jan 27, 2010 - 12:11pm |
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winter wrote:I like both.
Me too and in that order.
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winter

Location: in exile, as always Gender:  
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Jan 27, 2010 - 12:05pm |
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I like both.
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Southern_Boy

Location: On my way to the beach Gender:  
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Jan 27, 2010 - 8:16am |
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MsJudi wrote:This might have the effect of throwing gas on a flame, but I think if you had a chance to ask most female musicians who have "made" it in the music business, they will tell you that the reason there aren't MORE of them is plain and simple sexism. Music has classicly been a male-dominated field and despite obvious stand-outs, women have gotten the shorter end of that stick. A lot of women's careers get the pop send-up by the business, resulting in their careers being short and without much merit. The true (female) rockers have to fight through a lot of stereotyping before they are accepted by exces, other musicians and listeners.
To paraphrase Tim Allen ~"Women are smarter than men. Men are pigs. Too bad we own everything"
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cc_rider

Location: Bastrop Gender:  
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Jan 27, 2010 - 7:35am |
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jadewahoo wrote:... add some whisky and you have the makings of a fine country western song.
Then take either one away, and you've got another fine song.
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meower

Location: i believe, i believe, it's silly, but I believe Gender:  
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Jan 27, 2010 - 6:52am |
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meower

Location: i believe, i believe, it's silly, but I believe Gender:  
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Oct 20, 2009 - 11:06am |
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hippiechick wrote: The guys that do this show are from Chi and used to be on WXRT. They are great! Greg Kot writes for RS. I haven't listened since they left local radio, but the funniest thing about the show used to be the guy in the background (sound engineer?) who used to laugh his ass off.
he's not on anymore..... they moved the show to NPR, you can probably listen on your local NPR, cause they're out of Chi-Pub Rad...... Monday nights here.....
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