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helenofjoy

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Posted: Mar 30, 2014 - 3:37pm

Was that really necessary?
islander

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Posted: Mar 28, 2014 - 4:25pm

DaveInVA wrote:
WTF?
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Posted: Mar 28, 2014 - 3:22pm

A Modest Proposal for Green Energy 
miamizsun

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Posted: Mar 28, 2014 - 6:44am

i like the idea of 3-d printing of homes/buildings (minimize waste and increased efficiency)





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Posted: Mar 28, 2014 - 6:40am

one of honda's visions of efficiency and integration via home and auto


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Posted: Mar 18, 2014 - 4:08pm

very cool


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Posted: Feb 27, 2014 - 1:29pm

 aflanigan wrote:


I don't think the government cares about your lifestyle; they just want their pound of flesh. People who use resources without paying are the ones who attract this kind of attention.

If she lived in a rural area where she could have her own septic system and have her own well, she'd be OK, I'm sure.

 
A sanitary solution in low density living doesn't necessarily translate to one in high density living.  She was using the sewer system so it is reasonable that she should pay for it.  I don't think that capping her sewer is a sanitary solution, though.
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Posted: Feb 27, 2014 - 6:08am

 aflanigan wrote:


I don't think the government cares about your lifestyle; they just want their pound of flesh. People who use resources without paying are the ones who attract this kind of attention.

If she lived in a rural area where she could have her own septic system and have her own well, she'd be OK, I'm sure.

 
Ayup. Makes perfect sense: the city owns the sewer system and charges for the use of it. duh.
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Posted: Feb 27, 2014 - 6:00am

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As you might imagine, I have already seen this story and monitor these situations closely. I am full aware that the government does not want us to be off grid, not only for the loss of revenue for the utility companies, but also because this goes against our dependency on them which translates to power over us. This is why I will maintain my utility bills to keep them off my back.  The whole purpose of my setup is for when the grid fails I will be able to switch over with little effect on our lives. Of course the main challenge then is dealing with the unprepared.

 

I don't think the government cares about your lifestyle; they just want their pound of flesh. People who use resources without paying are the ones who attract this kind of attention.

If she lived in a rural area where she could have her own septic system and have her own well, she'd be OK, I'm sure.
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Posted: Feb 27, 2014 - 4:12am

 aflanigan wrote:
Since SirD and others are off-the-grid fans, I thought you'd be interested in this news item:

Off the Grid Resident in Cape Coral Has Sewer Capped

 

As you might imagine, I have already seen this story and monitor these situations closely. I am full aware that the government does not want us to be off grid, not only for the loss of revenue for the utility companies, but also because this goes against our dependency on them which translates to power over us. This is why I will maintain my utility bills to keep them off my back.  The whole purpose of my setup is for when the grid fails I will be able to switch over with little effect on our lives. Of course the main challenge then is dealing with the unprepared.


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Posted: Feb 26, 2014 - 3:13pm

aflanigan wrote:
Since SirD and others are off-the-grid fans, I thought you'd be interested in this news item:

Off the Grid Resident in Cape Coral Has Sewer Capped

That's one obnoxious paywall right there.
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Posted: Feb 26, 2014 - 1:55pm

Since SirD and others are off-the-grid fans, I thought you'd be interested in this news item:

Off the Grid Resident in Cape Coral Has Sewer Capped
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Posted: Feb 26, 2014 - 5:25am

{#Hungry}We are going to have a completely grid free dinner this weekend.  We are going to butcher a couple more chickens and cook them over the fire pit rotisserie style!{#Chef}
miamizsun

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Posted: Feb 26, 2014 - 5:22am

 sirdroseph wrote:
That is what we have going but on a much smaller scale because we had to sustain it in a greenhouse because it gets too cold in the winter to have it outside like this guy does.  We have been up and operating for over a year now growing coconuts, cocoa trees, coffee and other tropical plants as well as other vegetables.  Our tilapia are doing great, some over over a foot long now!  Next project is to make the entire system completely self sustainable with solar energy, we already have a rain catching system to water the non- aquaponic bed plants and replenish the fish pond when the water level gets too low.
 
nice
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Posted: Feb 26, 2014 - 5:18am

 miamizsun wrote:
interesting setup



 

That is what we have going but on a much smaller scale because we had to sustain it in a greenhouse because it gets too cold in the winter to have it outside like this guy does.  We have been up and operating for over a year now growing coconuts, cocoa trees, coffee and other tropical plants as well as other vegetables.  Our tilapia are doing great, some over over a foot long now!  Next project is to make the entire system completely self sustainable with solar energy, we already have a rain catching system to water the non- aquaponic bed plants and replenish the fish pond when the water level gets too low.


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Posted: Feb 26, 2014 - 5:12am

interesting setup


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Posted: Jan 17, 2014 - 6:23am

 islander wrote:

Just to point out further how ridiculous this article is, consider this: They claim that watching an hour of video a week uses more electricity than two new refrigerators use in a year.

To be fair they did use the numbers for a really efficient new fridge, but they are still claiming 700KWhrs for an hour of streaming. They are counting a lot of things in this assumption including the power it takes to run your home WiFi, but even with this the numbers just don't mesh. The average commercial power rate is about $0.10 / KWHr. So even being as ridiculous as they are with assumptions and saying you pay for half of the power consumed by streaming on your own, that still means it costs them about $35 in electricity to stream an hour of video to you.  That doesn't count licensing fees for the material, the capital costs of the infrastructure, the labor to set it up and operate it, the R&D to develop the software to operate it all....

How much are you guys paying for NetFlix?  If you are paying less than $35/hour, then they aren't even covering their power costs, much less covering any sunk cost, paying for the material they are streaming, or returning any profits to their shareholders.

If these numbers were even remotely correct, Netflix would have been out of business years ago. And adding customers at a million per quarter would hasten their downfall.
 
is this care2 example a case for some sort of bayesian framework that needs to be introduced into their thought process?

{#Wink}


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Posted: Jan 16, 2014 - 11:44am

 Proclivities wrote:

That seems to be the not-so-subliminal message.
Yes, Islander; their explanation obviously doesn't make it true (it doesn't convince me either), but that's the source for the two articles.  I think the average movie is less than 3 gb.  The 700KWHr figure is the projected yearly consumption of 2 refrigerators, but it still doesn't seem to add up.

 
Okay, I had to re-read it a couple of times

The article:

Reduced to personal terms, although charging up a single  tablet or smart phone requires a negligible  amount of electricity, using either  to watch an hour of video  weekly consumes annually  more electricity in the remote networks  than two new  refrigerator s use in a year. 1 And as t he world  continues to electrify, migrating towards one refrigerator per  household ,  it also  evolves towards several  smartphones and equivalent  per  person .  



 
They are saying all in annualized streaming of 1 hour a week is ~ double the energy used by your fridge in the same year.

This is much less ridiculous than my original interpretation, but it's still way off.  I'm guessing they are using the face plate wattage for servers which happens a lot, but is really misleading. They are also basing this on watching a movie on a phone or tablet connected to a cellular network. I'm curious as to the number of movies that hit cellular devices vs. Rokus and other streaming tools connected to TVs, but the whole exercise is pretty general and targeted toward an outcome they desired.


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Posted: Jan 16, 2014 - 11:17am

 Red_Dragon wrote:

Considering the source, I figure it's got something to do with convincing someone to use more coal.

 
That seems to be the not-so-subliminal message.
Yes, Islander; their explanation obviously doesn't make it true (it doesn't convince me either), but that's the source for the two articles.  I think the average streaming movie is less than 3 gb.  The 700KWHr figure is the projected yearly consumption of 2 refrigerators, but it still doesn't seem to add up.


islander

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Posted: Jan 16, 2014 - 11:17am

 Proclivities wrote:

The first footnote on Page 44 of the report vaguely explains their calculations - the pdf will not allow me to copy and paste.

 

New refrigerator 350 kWh per  EPA Energy Star ;  ~700 kWh/yr weekly streaming HD from + +  ; note, ignores data centers & end use tablet charging: ~ 300 kWh/yr wireless network operations from HD video 2.8  GB/hr  per  Netflix , network energy ~2 kWh/GB. Note energy use varies w location (type/age equipment), system utilization (see Auer et al, “ How  Much Energy is Needed to Run a Wireless Network ?” June 2012).  Network  energy ranges from  19 kWh/GB  The Mobile Economy , 2013, ATKearney,  to ~2 kWh/GB per CEET,  The Power of Wireless Cloud , April 2013. Annualized embodied/manufacturing energy to produce  tablet  (details in this  report) ~100 kWh/yr per tablet, and cell network operating energy equals annualized embodied energy of network equipment used for 5 years.  Refrigerator embodied energy adds 5  10% to lifecycle energy use of  refrigerator.

Just because they explain it doesn't mean it's correct. Just start with the 700 KWHr for an hour of network streaming and see if that makes sense. 


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