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Ladysmith Black Mambazo — Abantwana Basethempeleni
Album: South African Legends
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Released: 2000
Length: 5:47
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 bindi wrote:

does this song ever end?


Well it does, it lasts a very short 5:47 min.
To me they could sing their songs all day long and I wouldn't tire of them.
Posted 2 months ago by mcvh    [ Reply ]
 Zoonhollis wrote:


I know this is 11 years old, but...

I don't care for this song either, but instead of whining like a little bitch, I've learned to use PSD.



Thank You!!   
Posted 1 year ago by eileenomurphy    [ Reply ]
 rklein wrote:

This is gold!


Yes...  8 --> 9.
Posted 2 years ago by sqqqrly    [ Reply ]
This is gold!
Posted 2 years ago by rklein    [ Reply ]
 CaptTofu wrote:

This is torture. But you better not say anything, the PC police will call you an asshole.



I know this is 11 years old, but...

I don't care for this song either, but instead of whining like a little bitch, I've learned to use PSD.
Posted 2 years ago by Zoonhollis    [ Reply ]
Joseph Shabalala died earlier this year...... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...


Posted 3 years ago by Jiggz    [ Reply ]
Used to live in Tampa, and season passes to Busch Gardens gave us lots of opportunity to hear their African-styled bands and singers.  Got addicted to the funky syncopation with heavy bass vocals. 
Posted 13 years ago by unclehud    [ Reply ]
Stop it......
Posted 13 years ago by Beez    [ Reply ]
 ziggytrix wrote:

yep

and the most awesome lifesavers commercial ever!
 
Once I realized this was the lifesavers commercial song people, I loved it even more.  That commercial actually made me like lifesavers more.  

 
Also, you people saying it's too repetitive aren't listening very well.  There are a few different verses that each include a number of repetitions, but no real chorus that I can tell at all.

Posted 13 years ago by vicariance    [ Reply ]
So, did they use this same melody before Paul found them, or do they owe him some serious royalties for this one?

Posted 13 years ago by ch83575    [ Reply ]
i keep hearing something that sounds like "cinnamon" and then i wonder "what ever happened to cinnamon life savers"
Posted 13 years ago by ziggytrix    [ Reply ]
urgh, agreed. not a fan.
Posted 13 years ago by stickey    [ Reply ]
These guys are really great in concert. The experience is very different than just listening to a recording.
Posted 13 years ago by komainu    [ Reply ]
Not a fan.
Posted 13 years ago by shampa1n    [ Reply ]
This never seems to end... pfff
Posted 13 years ago by danuneken    [ Reply ]
FFFUUUU!!!!11
Posted 13 years ago by Netto    [ Reply ]
 jools wrote:

Quite

I'm sure that Dutch would sound like mindless drivel to native south african speakers. 
 

Curious choice of verb tense.
Posted 13 years ago by Hannio    [ Reply ]
 rdo wrote:

I started out liking this, then I about lost my dinner after the 500th iteration of the harmony.


 

I agree, too repetitive.
Posted 13 years ago by coolpeople_rule    [ Reply ]
Black Mambazo will always remind me of home and my childhood. My parents would put it on during parties and we'd sporadically dance to it when walking through the living room.
Posted 13 years ago by JennieBreeden    [ Reply ]

I started out liking this, then I about lost my dinner after the 500th iteration of the harmony.


Posted 13 years ago by rdo    [ Reply ]
 AndyFarang wrote:
One wonders if this would have so much airplay if the singers were from a different race....?

Wake me up when its stopped. Cheers.
 
I probably wouldn't care for a bunch of Norwegians singing isicathamiya styled hymns, but I guess I'm just a bigot, eh?

Posted 13 years ago by ziggytrix    [ Reply ]
 Stefen wrote:
Was this the group with Paul
 
yep

and the most awesome lifesavers commercial ever!

Posted 13 years ago by ziggytrix    [ Reply ]
Was this the group with Paul
Posted 13 years ago by Stefen    [ Reply ]
Oh come on.  I have heard more annoying songs on RP, but there is nothing likable or interesting about this song.  Lets keep it real.
Posted 13 years ago by yodasan_magoo    [ Reply ]
 j2e1n9 wrote:
Ladysmith Black Mambazo? Like, from Mean Girls? LMAO! Had no idea that was a real band.
 
Haha! Great comment.

Song is bad btw.

Posted 13 years ago by Fredrikson    [ Reply ]

make it stop!


Posted 14 years ago by suebee3    [ Reply ]
 CaptTofu wrote:
This is torture. But you better not say anything, the PC police will call you an asshole.
 
You asked for it - ASSHOLE
Posted 14 years ago by jools    [ Reply ]
 j2e1n9 wrote:
Ladysmith Black Mambazo? Like, from Mean Girls? LMAO! Had no idea that was a real band.
 
Oh dear.  Please read some history about the South African struggle to throw off Apartheid. And listen to some old Paul Simon cds.
Posted 14 years ago by jools    [ Reply ]
This is torture. But you better not say anything, the PC police will call you an asshole.
Posted 14 years ago by CaptTofu    [ Reply ]
Ladysmith Black Mambazo? Like, from Mean Girls? LMAO! Had no idea that was a real band.
Posted 14 years ago by j2e1n9    [ Reply ]
 cattail321 wrote:
.....and how many CD's do you have out asshole??{#Clap} Hippostar wrote:

Well put.

 
 

Well that was a little excessive.  Get defensive much?

Posted 14 years ago by Byronape    [ Reply ]
.....and how many CD's do you have out asshole??{#Clap} Hippostar wrote:

Well put.

 


Posted 14 years ago by cattail321    [ Reply ]
 bindi wrote:
does this song ever end?
 
I don't see land yet. I think I'm getting scurvy.

Posted 14 years ago by crockydile    [ Reply ]
does this song ever end?
Posted 14 years ago by bindi    [ Reply ]
 AndyFarang wrote:
One wonders if this would have so much airplay if the singers were from a different race....?

Wake me up when its stopped. Cheers.
 
I look forward to you waking up.

Posted 14 years ago by lmic    [ Reply ]
One wonders if this would have so much airplay if the singers were from a different race....?

Wake me up when its stopped. Cheers.
Posted 14 years ago by AndyFarang    [ Reply ]
Very long. 

Very, very long.
Posted 14 years ago by Xeric    [ Reply ]
This song is so repetitive. This song is so repetitive. This song is so repetitive. This song is so repetitive. This song is so repetitive. This song is so repetitive. This song is so repetitive. This song is so repetitive. This song is so repetitive. This song is so repetitive. This song is so repetitive. This song is so repetitive. This song is so repetitive. This song is so repetitive. This song is so repetitive. This song is so repetitive. This song is so repetitive. This song is so repetitive. This song is so repetitive. This song is so repetitive. This song is so repetitive.
Posted 14 years ago by TimeWaster    [ Reply ]
 Rotterdam wrote:


Sorry for you that you feel this way. I think this is heavenly, wonderful music.
 
Quite

I'm sure that Dutch would sound like mindless drivel to native south african speakers. 
Posted 14 years ago by jools    [ Reply ]
 mamerjamer wrote:
There is a Paul Simon song that has some of this same kind of African harmony in it, and I find that one very enjoyable.  But this song is a heart attack inducer.  If there was a window in my room, I would jump out of it.  In other words, YUCK!!  I can't stand this freakin' worthless drivel!

 

Sorry for you that you feel this way. I think this is heavenly, wonderful music.
Posted 14 years ago by Rotterdam    [ Reply ]
 lmic wrote:
Ironically, now that Paul Simon has opened my mind to these rhythms, I would way rather hear the originals than Graceland. (Thanks and also sorry, Paul :)
 
i wonder how many westerners would have any idea who these guys were without the Graceland album?

agree with your sentiment too.  LBMs work seems a lot more timeless to me.

Posted 14 years ago by ziggytrix    [ Reply ]
Much love. Also lovely is Black Umfolosi - they're amazing.
Posted 14 years ago by Bridieboo    [ Reply ]
This is a first time I heard a song about a 60's - 70's motocross bike from Czechoslovakia. {#Mrgreen}
https://www.vintagebike.co.uk/Bike%20Directories/CZ%20Bikes/CZ%20Index.htm
It's the best one I've heard.

Posted 14 years ago by KurtfromLaQuinta    [ Reply ]
Ironically, now that Paul Simon has opened my mind to these rhythms, I would way rather hear the originals than Graceland. (Thanks and also sorry, Paul :)
Posted 14 years ago by lmic    [ Reply ]
 mamerjamer wrote:
If there was a window in my room, I would jump out of it.

  Please do so. Yet another example of why stupid people should not be allowed to breed.


Posted 14 years ago by Oscar_the_Grouch    [ Reply ]
BRUTAL
Posted 14 years ago by contractor07    [ Reply ]
Please make it stop :(
Posted 14 years ago by jlind    [ Reply ]
 mamerjamer wrote:
There is a Paul Simon song that has some of this same kind of African harmony in it, and I find that one very enjoyable.  But this song is a heart attack inducer.  If there was a window in my room, I would jump out of it.  In other words, YUCK!!  I can't stand this freakin' worthless drivel!

 
I thought this was "Homeless" by Paul Simon with Ladysmith. I still kind of wish it was that song, but I like their sound.

Posted 14 years ago by lovemydog    [ Reply ]
I'm surprised by the negative comments.  I like it; it's different to my Western ears.
Posted 14 years ago by Stefen    [ Reply ]
 mamerjamer wrote:
There is a Paul Simon song that has some of this same kind of African harmony in it, and I find that one very enjoyable.  But this song is a heart attack inducer.  If there was a window in my room, I would jump out of it.  In other words, YUCK!!  I can't stand this freakin' worthless drivel!

 
Use MUTE instead. It's less messy and you won't leave a hole in the social fabric. {#Sunny}
Posted 14 years ago by crockydile    [ Reply ]
 mamerjamer wrote:
There is a Paul Simon song that has some of this same kind of African harmony in it, and I find that one very enjoyable.  But this song is a heart attack inducer.  If there was a window in my room, I would jump out of it.  In other words, YUCK!!  I can't stand this freakin' worthless drivel!

 
Then defenestration becomes you...

Posted 14 years ago by WonderLizard    [ Reply ]
Funny, as this is the exact same group (Ladyblacksmith) that Paul used. Ah well...

 mamerjamer wrote:
There is a Paul Simon song that has some of this same kind of African harmony in it, and I find that one very enjoyable.  But this song is a heart attack inducer.  If there was a window in my room, I would jump out of it.  In other words, YUCK!!  I can't stand this freakin' worthless drivel!

 


Posted 14 years ago by derekd    [ Reply ]
There is a Paul Simon song that has some of this same kind of African harmony in it, and I find that one very enjoyable.  But this song is a heart attack inducer.  If there was a window in my room, I would jump out of it.  In other words, YUCK!!  I can't stand this freakin' worthless drivel!

Posted 14 years ago by mamerjamer    [ Reply ]
PLEASE MAKE IT STOP!!!{#Frustrated}
Posted 14 years ago by orthomd    [ Reply ]
 bindi wrote:
It's funny how there are some artists who's songs all sound pretty much the same, but none compare to this group.
 
I guess if their instruments are just the human voice, and they are singing in a different language to yours, and in a traditional style, I guess that might appear to be the case.  Same could be said of most Bluegrass heard by Zulus I expect.

Posted 14 years ago by DavidS_UK    [ Reply ]
It's funny how there are some artists who's songs all sound pretty much the same, but none compare to this group.
Posted 15 years ago by bindi    [ Reply ]
Everything they do sounds remarkably the same. I appreciate the harmonies, but c'mon, some variation please!
Posted 15 years ago by bizon    [ Reply ]
thank you thank you thank you


Posted 15 years ago by federico    [ Reply ]

 

!amazing!  

** 9 **


Posted 15 years ago by calypsus_1    [ Reply ]
that makes two of us, and awkward i would add: disney movie as a  point of reference? one of us is out of this world
Danimal174 wrote:
Boy, I'm suddenly feeling old. I like this song quite a bit, as well.



Posted 15 years ago by myrabrrz    [ Reply ]
incredibly uplifting!
Posted 15 years ago by myrabrrz    [ Reply ]
I was beginning to think that MusicMonkey was stuck in a loop, again. Agreed, too repetitive for me.
Posted 15 years ago by ChicoCyclist    [ Reply ]
FANTASTIC! If I can visit one place before I die, it will be Africa!
Posted 15 years ago by esweazey73    [ Reply ]
Ouch! This music is too repetitive for me. Really annoying.
Posted 15 years ago by Manbird    [ Reply ]
Graceland anyone? A great album for its time, which still, oddly, holds up. I like this.
Posted 15 years ago by DrConcrescence    [ Reply ]
I'd rather stick needles in my eye!
Posted 16 years ago by rprb    [ Reply ]
TheFriendlyCat wrote:
I love this kind of music!!! probably because Lion King was my favorite movie as a child, and some of its music is very reminiscent of this style. Plus, the vocals are just wonderful.
Boy, I'm suddenly feeling old. I like this song quite a bit, as well.
Posted 16 years ago by Danimal174    [ Reply ]
Stop this!
Posted 16 years ago by Alpine    [ Reply ]
It do go on a bit.
Posted 16 years ago by CafeRacer    [ Reply ]
mirland wrote:
Make it stop!
You stop!
Posted 16 years ago by garthwb    [ Reply ]
Make it stop!
Posted 16 years ago by mirland    [ Reply ]
I lived in Africa in the 70's. One night a family group of about 20 or so stopped at our house to give an impromptu concert, to raise money for their trip up country. It was mesmerizing. To hear it live and spontaneous. Whenever I hear LBM, I remember that night.
Posted 16 years ago by LaurieinTucson    [ Reply ]
MrGreg wrote:
It's like a million dull knives sawing at my eardrums.
I'm impressed by your use of metaphor, but I don't feel the same way. It's a bit repetitive, but I like the feeling in this song.
Posted 16 years ago by musikalia    [ Reply ]
It's like a million dull knives sawing at my eardrums.
Posted 16 years ago by MrGreg    [ Reply ]
Saw them here in Omaha last Friday. AMAZING! Didn't realize they have been around since the early '60s. Each singer has his own unique look/style (even though they wore matching outfits) - something I didn't expect as well from the music. A lot of fun! :-D Four of the members are sons of the director/founder/lead-singer, Dr. Shabalala.
Posted 16 years ago by kaleb    [ Reply ]
I love this kind of music!!! probably because Lion King was my favorite movie as a child, and some of its music is very reminiscent of this style. Plus, the vocals are just wonderful.
Posted 16 years ago by TheFriendlyCat    [ Reply ]
Can't.... take it... anymore. Must... kill Roku.
Posted 16 years ago by zogma    [ Reply ]
Someafrican warmth in my cold winter day. THX, Bill!
Posted 16 years ago by CoYoT51    [ Reply ]
in case you need to understand the lyrics to appreciate the music: https://members.tripod.com/cosealtromondo/mo_vida2.htm#track10 "One of the most beloved South African groups of all time, Ladysmith Black Mambazo was propelled to international stardom in 1988 through their appearance on Paul Simon's Grammy-winning Graceland album. Their beautiful Zulu choral music, engaging performances, and the endearing personality of leader Joseph Shabalala have kept Ladysmith at the forefront of the world music scene ever since. They have gone on to record with a wide range of popular artists from Dolly Parton to Lou Rawls to Andreas Vollenweider and continue to produce internationally successful solo recordings. The a Capella style performed by Ladysmith is called iscathamiya, a Zulu word meaning "to walk softly." Its roots can be traced to the 1920s, when workers from Natal's mines and factories began weekend singing and dance competitions between the all-male hostels where most of the workers lived. The popularity of these competitions spread to Zulu workers in other regions and became an important setting for the development of choral music. The commercial popularity of this music rose and fell over the years, but it was always maintained in the worker hostels. "Ladysmith" refers to the hometown of the group's founder and leader, Joseph Shabalala. "Black Mambazo" means "black axe" in Zulu and symbolizes their ability to chop down their competition. Their debut recording in 1973 became the first gold record in South Africa with over 25,000 units sold. Their success led to a boom in Zulu a Capella that lasted until the early 1980s when the group's mainstream popularity began to decline. Their work with Paul Simon gave new life to their career, and they have soared to ever-greater heights. "Abantwana Basethempeleni (Children of the Temple)" describes the natural spirituality of children. "There are small, God-fearing children living in the temple. They have no sorrows, they are protected by the Lord and are sending their message to everyone to put their trust in God."
Posted 16 years ago by lemoke    [ Reply ]
handyrae wrote:
Good Lord! Imagine being stuck forever on the It's a Small World ride at Disney World. That would be Hell.
If this is the soundtrack in hell, the residents of the hot place will be fortunate. How many ways could it be worse? A continuous loop of Vanilla Ice comes to mind...
Posted 16 years ago by BjornPhrei    [ Reply ]
Awesome to hear you play this.
Posted 16 years ago by coco_ramone    [ Reply ]
Good echo!#3.
Posted 16 years ago by HazzeSwede    [ Reply ]
CUT!
Posted 16 years ago by daveesh    [ Reply ]
go see them live and your appreciation will increase 10 fold......................
Posted 16 years ago by elliotgoettelman    [ Reply ]
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Posted 16 years ago by Nabla    [ Reply ]
dctrpunda wrote:
It's like I'm stuck on a ride at Disneyland, but the music keeps playing I believe that this a level of hell.
Good Lord! Imagine being stuck forever on the It's a Small World ride at Disney World. That would be Hell.
Posted 16 years ago by handyrae    [ Reply ]
like wasabi; excellent in small quantities but a little bit goes a long way.
Posted 16 years ago by slartibart_O    [ Reply ]
roseap wrote:
I keep waiting for the "Diamonds on the soles of her shoes" bit, but it doesn't come... Sounds like the same harmonies... Still like it though!
It is the same. I think Simon arranged his music to this song. I don't know what they are saying, but they are singing the same words as in the Simon song.
Posted 16 years ago by meydele    [ Reply ]
Chumbawamba-1984 wrote:
What repetition? If you were able to understand the lyrics, you would be able to follow them and understand it as a whole. If you did not understand English, you would feel the CCR (for example) songs as never ending loops of the same arrangement. Don't you think so ?
Can you understand the lyrics? Try and enlighten us. Your whole argument in this case is hinging on it. If you are stating that the words are important yet you don't know what they mean your point is useless. To me it is too much repetition and I was falling asleep. I generally like this type of music when it is played on RP. Just this one goes on too much for my tastes. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but you seem to know what the lyrics mean so do please tell us. And finally some CCR songs drone on forever and are shit even if I do understand the lyrics.
Posted 16 years ago by iTuner    [ Reply ]
Chumbawamba-1984 wrote:
What repetition? If you were able to understand the lyrics, you would be able to follow them and understand it as a whole. If you did not understand English, you would feel the CCR (for example) songs as never ending loops of the same arrangement. Don't you think so ?
Nice explanation. ontopic: This is basic music and therefore kind of special. One loves or hates it... For me it's an 8.
Posted 16 years ago by prickelpit96    [ Reply ]
Gaylord_Meatface wrote:
Anyone else feeling like they are being brainwashed through repetition?
What repetition? If you were able to understand the lyrics, you would be able to follow them and understand it as a whole. If you did not understand English, you would feel the CCR (for example) songs as never ending loops of the same arrangement. Don't you think so ?
Posted 16 years ago by Chumbawamba-1984    [ Reply ]
pannaramma wrote:
This is so pure. Humans making music with voices.
You need to listen to some "Tuvan throat music". Talk about humans making music with their voices. Can you dust off that Ondar CD, Bill? Ed: I am soo tired of this sound (LBM)
Posted 16 years ago by Wizzuvvoz    [ Reply ]
roseap wrote:
I keep waiting for the "Diamonds on the soles of her shoes"...Sounds like the same harmonies...
Very much so, and agreed, still good.
Posted 16 years ago by redtex    [ Reply ]
pannaramma wrote:
This is so pure. Humans making music with voices.
I'm sure we could find a capella arrangements of pop and rock songs that RP already plays.
Posted 16 years ago by UltraNurd    [ Reply ]
It's like I'm stuck on a ride at Disneyland, but the music keeps playing I believe that this a level of hell.
Posted 16 years ago by dctrpunda    [ Reply ]
enough already!
Posted 16 years ago by daveesh    [ Reply ]
Lion King?
Posted 16 years ago by Whirlpool    [ Reply ]
ScottFromWyoming wrote:
Not a fan? 8. Just for you haters I think Bill should play a whole set of LBM, Orchestra Baobab, Cesaria Evora et al...
We agree on some things, then, Scott.
Posted 17 years ago by algrif    [ Reply ]
This is so pure. Humans making music.
Posted 17 years ago by pannaramma    [ Reply ]
I keep waiting for the "Diamonds on the soles of her shoes" bit, but it doesn't come... Sounds like the same harmonies... Still like it though!
Posted 17 years ago by roseap    [ Reply ]
mcoderre wrote:
Whats wrong? It's horrible! I't the most unbarable song EVER. I'd rather listen to Britney Spears than this... and that's saying a lot... sorry.
Well if you'd rather listen to Spears, then what are you doing here on RP? Give this a listen and hear the harmonies...if that doesn't get you then I'm sorry you're musical appreciation is so limited.
Posted 17 years ago by stickers11    [ Reply ]
isujimmy78 wrote:
This is fantastic!
... i'll be honest, i haven't heard a 'bad' putumayo world music recordin' yet, 's all good mate!
Posted 17 years ago by Mari    [ Reply ]
If you don't "hear" the toe tapping in the back, you must be a Phil Collins fan !! Maybe too much addiction to the school band drums. As for me I love both this music and PC's.
Posted 17 years ago by Chumbawamba-1984    [ Reply ]
This is fantastic!
Posted 17 years ago by isujimmy78    [ Reply ]
madaxeman wrote:
What's wrong with you people.This is MUSIC.The albums are fantastic too.
Whats wrong? It's horrible! I't the most unbarable song EVER. I'd rather listen to Britney Spears than this... and that's saying a lot... sorry.
Posted 17 years ago by mcoderre    [ Reply ]
shutter wrote:
Yechhhh. Just doesn't translate to anything toe-tappable.
I understand what you mean, since I love dance music. But not everything has to be dance music to be good. I think these harmonies are lovely, and like other posters, I don't have to understand the words to like it. I think it's beautiful.
Posted 17 years ago by helene    [ Reply ]
Alpine wrote:
MAKE IT STOP!
Alpine wrote:
Thank God that crap is over!
Not a fan? 8. Just for you haters I think Bill should play a whole set of LBM, Orchestra Baobab, Cesaria Evora et al...
Posted 17 years ago by ScottFromWyoming    [ Reply ]
Shut it off!! SHUT IT OFF NOW!!!!! Can't ... stand ... this ... noise..... aaarggggggggggggggggg!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted 17 years ago by mcoderre    [ Reply ]
What's wrong with you people?This is MUSIC.The albums are fantastic too.
Posted 17 years ago by madaxeman    [ Reply ]
Yechhhh. Just doesn't translate to anything toe-tappable.
Posted 17 years ago by shutter    [ Reply ]
Better in outer space (as mocked on SNL)
Posted 17 years ago by Geecheeboy    [ Reply ]
MAKE IT STOP!
Posted 17 years ago by Alpine    [ Reply ]
omniphiliac wrote:
Just have to offer a balance to the puke people down below me here: I rather like it. I like not having to understand the words. It makes it easier music to work to since I'm not lost contemplating deep messages. (Not that there aren't deep messages...just that I need not know what they are.)
definitely
Posted 17 years ago by araujokrl    [ Reply ]
Sorry.... Not doing it for me...
Posted 17 years ago by stevo_b    [ Reply ]
Harlan879 wrote:
They're singing in Zulu (S. Africa), not Swahili (Kenya, I think). The title means (thank you Google) "Children of the Temple".
hehe, at first I thought you were saying the title was "thank you Google" :)
Posted 17 years ago by Augustus    [ Reply ]
Polyrhythmic goodness! I love how layered and complex their harmony is.
Posted 17 years ago by Dirktooth    [ Reply ]
Harlan879 wrote:
They're singing in Zulu (S. Africa), not Swahili (Kenya, I think). The title means (thank you Google) "Children of the Temple".
Yup, although both isiZulu and Kiswahili (the names of the language in their respective languages) are both in the Bantu language family.
Posted 17 years ago by UltraNurd    [ Reply ]
Just have to offer a balance to the puke people down below me here: I rather like it. I like not having to understand the words. It makes it easier music to work to since I'm not lost contemplating deep messages. (Not that there aren't deep messages...just that I need not know what they are.)
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