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Rickie Lee Jones — Tell Somebody
Album: The Evening Of My Best Day
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Released: 2003
Length: 3:51
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Not long ago it was alright
There were no bad dreams that kept me up at night
It was not brother against brother
Mother against mother

So tell somebody
You've got to tell somebody
Tell somebody what happened in the usa

Now they want us to just get in line
Behind a president
When you know they spent milions of dollars
Condemning and accusing
The last one from the other side

Tell somebody, tell somebody
Tell somebody
What's happening in the usa?
Tell somebody, tell somebody
Tell somebody
What happened in the usa

Tell somebody, tell somebody, tell somebody€¦

I want to know how far you will go
To protect our right of free speech?
Because it only took a moment
Before it faded out of reach...

Oh, tell somebody, tell sombody right now
Tell somebody
What happened in the usa?
I wanna read about it in the news
I wanna hear about it on tv, yeah
What happened in the usa?
When they ask you
What happened in the usa?
Tell sombody
They'll wanna know, oh people

The depth of our democracy
Is only as good as the voices of protest she protects
Voices of protest - rise!
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Glad to see an artist not taking the safe path....anyone worth listening to has taken risks. Last I heard, being well known didn't mean giving up your right to express your own personal convictions.
namesbenny wrote:
Sometimes a choice is clear when you know what you don't want. I'd vote for a doorstop, a cherry danish or an agar plate before I'd support the direction Bush is taking the US and the world.
Count me in on the doorstop and the cherry danish, but undecided about agar plate. Maybe as slimy as W. 8~)
Is it just me, or does it sound like she has a stuffy nose, and she's trying to sing and breathe through her mouth at the same time?
srbarry wrote:
Barf. Two days in a row with this whinny crap. Enuf already. If the music had any merit it might be different - but to give this air time just for the politics is a waste of good RP quality time.
Relax, jerkoff. They'll get back to three-chord rock'n'roll in a few minutes and you can go back to sleep again.
This set needs a Dixie Chicks song.
ncmtnbiker wrote:
What a pantload! When are we ever going to hear a song from the Right? How about some Toby Keith?
Hilarious. Toby Keith, yeah. Laughing at my desk. I believe the humor in this post was too subtle for some. The right! Ha!
Barf. Two days in a row with this whinny crap. Enuf already. If the music had any merit it might be different - but to give this air time just for the politics is a waste of good RP quality time.
What a pantload! When are we ever going to hear a song from the Right? How about some Toby Keith?
When Toby Keith turns out something worth listening to, maybe it'll get played. I, for one, could live the rest of my life without having to hear Keith's "love it or leave it" crap. It's exactly that attitude that damns the level of discourse in this country to the Ann Coulter/Michael Moore idiocy that abounds.
What do all these political rants have to do with this crummy song?
Another proof of the maxim that musicians should stick to music. Major buzzkill.
eyewall wrote:
namesbenny wrote:
No? Well if you're not happy about the direction Bush is taking us, would you be happy supporting the direction Islamic Terrorists are taking the world? . "Islamic Terrorists?!?" puuHHleaAase.....Try "agents of the military-industrial complex....and the 'corporate media whores " who breathlessly repeat the Big Lie. Bin Laden is GOLDSTEIN. Bin Laden is CIA . Bin Laden is a Bush PARTNER.....Always WAS , always WILL BE. Turn your television off. Its a lie. Problem-reaction-solution...attack...public fear....loss of freedom Reichstag fire. Type this in your Google and smoke it. "bush and Bin Laden partners in Carlyle Group." when youre done smoking that ,smoke this search... " Bush Sr met Bin Ladens Ritz Carlton 911" heres a couple more..."Operation Northwoods" ....."operation MOCKINGBIRD" and "Bush aided 911" You cant HANDLE the truth. Go back to sleep. Less you think I am your standard Bush hater , they all , those communist bastard scum , all voted the "Patriot" act. Governments' sole reason for existance is the theft of your liberty and as much of the contents of your wallets as they can have. Dempublican , Republocrat ...KLEPTOCRAT we live in a KLEPTOCRACY and the last official act of a corrupt government is to loot the country,. Fear the politician who fears your gun Fear the politician who invokes Children Fear the politician who invokes God.
Well, I guess you can't save everybody. Just try not to be living next to them when they go off.....
Excellent music to pack for the upcoming Women's March (tomorrow!) to... keep the thread going :-)
smellody wrote:
That is some of the most hysterical pot head rantings I've seen in a long time. By yourself a case of kleenex because there is no way Kerry is going to win
There HAS to be a Forum for this stuff folks, take it there,......GET A ROOM!
smellody wrote:
That is some of the most hysterical pot head rantings I've seen in a long time. By yourself a case of kleenex because there is no way Kerry is going to win
Pot head? I havent smoked that stuff since before you were born. Who cares if Bush OR Kerry win? They are both the same thing. Globalists. Communists. Stop shoving that false "Left - Right" paradigm into your veins.They all voted the patriot act and they all want to keep and expand it.The true political spectrum is Total State on the left and total Fredom on the right. Both Bush and Kerry represent the LEFT.
eyewall wrote:
namesbenny wrote:
No? Well if you're not happy about the direction Bush is taking us, would you be happy supporting the direction Islamic Terrorists are taking the world? . "Islamic Terrorists?!?" puuHHleaAase.....Try "agents of the military-industrial complex....and the 'corporate media whores " who breathlessly repeat the Big Lie. Bin Laden is GOLDSTEIN. Bin Laden is CIA . Bin Laden is a Bush PARTNER.....Always WAS , always WILL BE. Turn your television off. Its a lie. Problem-reaction-solution...attack...public fear....loss of freedom Reichstag fire. Type this in your Google and smoke it. "bush and Bin Laden partners in Carlyle Group." when youre done smoking that ,smoke this search... " Bush Sr met Bin Ladens Ritz Carlton 911" heres a couple more..."Operation Northwoods" ....."operation MOCKINGBIRD" and "Bush aided 911" You cant HANDLE the truth. Go back to sleep. Less you think I am your standard Bush hater , they all , those communist bastard scum , all voted the "Patriot" act. Governments' sole reason for existance is the theft of your liberty and as much of the contents of your wallets as they can have. Dempublican , Republocrat ...KLEPTOCRAT we live in a KLEPTOCRACY and the last official act of a corrupt government is to loot the country,. Fear the politician who fears your gun Fear the politician who invokes Children Fear the politician who invokes God.
That is some of the most hysterical pot head rantings I've seen in a long time. By yourself a case of kleenex because there is no way Kerry is going to win
namesbenny wrote:
No? Well if you're not happy about the direction Bush is taking us, would you be happy supporting the direction Islamic Terrorists are taking the world? . "Islamic Terrorists?!?" puuHHleaAase.....Try "agents of the military-industrial complex....and the 'corporate media whores " who breathlessly repeat the Big Lie. Bin Laden is GOLDSTEIN. Bin Laden is CIA . Bin Laden is a Bush PARTNER.....Always WAS , always WILL BE. Turn your television off. Its a lie. Problem-reaction-solution...attack...public fear....loss of freedom Reichstag fire. Type this in your Google and smoke it. "bush and Bin Laden partners in Carlyle Group." when youre done smoking that ,smoke this search... " Bush Sr met Bin Ladens Ritz Carlton 911" heres a couple more..."Operation Northwoods" ....."operation MOCKINGBIRD" and "Bush aided 911" You cant HANDLE the truth. Go back to sleep. Less you think I am your standard Bush hater , they all , those communist bastard scum , all voted the "Patriot" act. Governments' sole reason for existance is the theft of your liberty and as much of the contents of your wallets as they can have. Dempublican , Republocrat ...KLEPTOCRAT we live in a KLEPTOCRACY and the last official act of a corrupt government is to loot the country,. Fear the politician who fears your gun Fear the politician who invokes Children Fear the politician who invokes God.
veegez wrote:
Nothing like igoring facts and rewritting history and flat out lying and taking sides in the matter to sell a book (aka Richard "Dick" Clarke), much to the pleasure of our enemies in North Korea and Iran and Syria etc., and all in the name of making sure the Blue team wins the election. We might as well pull the plug on this thing called Democracy. We're goin down in flames if we can't be on the same page when it comes to defending ourselves.
We already are in flames if TRUTH is less important than which party is speaking it. Why people stick to party lines when such evidence is laid out in front of them boggles the mind. Clarke is not merely selling a book. He's serving his country. Without the truth, democracy cannot function. Clarke served Reagan, Bush 1 and Bush 2. He is a registered Republican. His story lines up perfectly with other Republican members of the staff who have come forward to say that this president is dangerously inept. O'Neill is another conservative who told the same story. They chose the book form because it's a much more efficient method to get the message out than walking around telling people in person or posting on RP. Perhaps you can suggest a better one that wouldn't bring such scorn from people who refuse to look at truth?
veegez wrote:
namesbenny wrote:
No? Well if you're not happy about the direction Bush is taking us, would you be happy supporting the direction Islamic Terrorists are taking the world?
Actually, they are the same thing. Bin Laden wanted war between Islam and the west, but couldn't get enough supporters to do so. By attacking the US, he has emboldened the fundamentalist pinheads already on his side. Bush has played perfectly into Bin Laden's hands by acting the stereotype that they hold of the US. Bush's crusade against Iraq has only proven Bin Laden's point, and made moderate muslims turn against the US. Bush has done more for Al Qaeda recruiting than Bin Laden ever could. Now instead of a small minority of extremists hating the west, we have a huge number who would inflict harm on us. Way to go! Now, if we had someone who realized that other people in the world would support and aid us in a fight against terrorism if we only respected them and worked with them, we could reduce the number of new Al Qaeda recruits AND pick up allies at the same time. There ARE alternatives to Bush and Bin Laden. Of course it's much easier repeating the line they put out for people who are either too dumb or too lazy to think for themselves: "You're either with us (the Bush administration) or you're with the terrorists." Double Plus Good!!!!
namesbenny wrote:
No? Well if you're not happy about the direction Bush is taking us, would you be happy supporting the direction Islamic Terrorists are taking the world? . As someone else has already noted, the choice is not so black and white. Voting Bush out doesn't mean one supports terrorism (though his ads would suggest as much). It means there may be other approaches to the problem. I feel US military aggression is flaming the fire in the Islamic world, and I'd like to see the US generally promote peace instead. There may be a need to fight at times, but lets make that the final option instead of the standard response. I see Bush and company always challenging the Arab world as a spiral leading downward to more death and destruction.
Well, the Arab world has kind of challenged us, in case you've forgotten. I'm afraid people on the left want to pretend Clinton did a "Great" job on terrorism, and Bush was "complicit" in the 9/11 attacks and that something like that probably won't happen again, so let's pull out of Iraq since they were "Never" a threat to the US or any of our allies or were "never" connected with Al Qaida in the first place. Nothing like igoring facts and rewritting history and flat out lying and taking sides in the matter to sell a book (aka Richard "Dick" Clarke), much to the pleasure of our enemies in North Korea and Iran and Syria etc., and all in the name of making sure the Blue team wins the election. We might as well pull the plug on this thing called Democracy. We're goin down in flames if we can't be on the same page when it comes to defending ourselves.
No? Well if you're not happy about the direction Bush is taking us, would you be happy supporting the direction Islamic Terrorists are taking the world? . As someone else has already noted, the choice is not so black and white. Voting Bush out doesn't mean one supports terrorism (though his ads would suggest as much). It means there may be other approaches to the problem. I feel US military aggression is flaming the fire in the Islamic world, and I'd like to see the US generally promote peace instead. There may be a need to fight at times, but lets make that the final option instead of the standard response. I see Bush and company always challenging the Arab world as a spiral leading downward to more death and destruction.
heliosweb wrote:
OK, to illustrate a bit more, for those who may have trouble wrapping their minds around the idea that Fascism (or "proto-fascism") could be a dominant political movement in our country: From wordiq.com: ( https://www.wordiq.com/cgi-bin/knowledge/lookup.cgi?title=Fascism ): Characterize the policies however you will: "kinder and gentler" (Bush I), "compassionate conservative" (Bush II)... "A rose by any other name is still a rose." And a Fascist by any other name is still a Fascist, in my book. steve PS: And this does all tie in with the Patriot Act. A hastily-enacted law ushered in by conveniently using (and whipping up) a climate of Fear, and targetted not only toward "terrorists" but also, potentially and probably, our own citizens.
... the one main and rather important difference being that you still have the power to vote this imbecile and his cronies out of office (and reverse his silly laws and foreign policies). But seeing US voters' infatuation with a candidate's "leadership" qualities (never mind the content!!), so called patriotism and also the highly questionable amalgamation of religion, big business and politics makes me less than optimistic. So please remember: Your votes affect us as much as you. You vote, we suffer. And believe me, we wouldn't choose George W. for all the oil in Iraq.
veegez wrote:
Well if you're not happy about the direction Bush is taking us, would you be happy supporting the direction Islamic Terrorists are taking the world? . . . Question: Who do you want in control of the world, Bush, or Al Qaeda?
This is the problem with the short-sighted right. You can't possibly believe those are the only two choices available, or do you?
namesbenny wrote:
I don't think Bush had all his answers to foreign policy when he was running the first time, so I don't think it's realistic to expect too much from Kerry until he's on the job. Sometimes a choice is clear when you know what you don't want. I'd vote for a doorstop, a cherry danish or an agar plate before I'd support the direction Bush is taking the US and the world.
I'll take the cherry danish. It's obvious I'm completely outnumbered here and I most likely won't change anybody's mind with anything that I write or post. But, what if George W could dance? Disco Aerobics No? Well if you're not happy about the direction Bush is taking us, would you be happy supporting the direction Islamic Terrorists are taking the world? They were able to topple a Democratic government in 3 days before an election and replaced it with a Socialist Govt. Spain is immediately appeasing the terrorists by vacating Iraq and trying to calm the fears of it's populace. Islamic Terrorists must be encouraged by the results. Question: Who do you want in control of the world, Bush, or Al Qaeda? And don't laugh, this is their goal. The first step is a US President sympathetic to their causes, or at least a President that appears willing to appease their wishes or look the other way. Wall St Journal excerpt: The new prime minister's stated determination to bring Spain into the axis of weasels also underscores the dangers of making a fetish of multilateralism, another Kerry fallacy. Eugene Volokh makes the point: If we agree that we may not do what we think is right and necessary for our national security if any one of England, France, Russia, or China says "veto," then our enemies can paralyze us simply by influencing one foreign country. The influence might be exerted by bribes . . ., or by threat of terrorist violence. But one way or another, an enemy that couldn't break down our resolve could still stop us from doing what needs to be done by breaking down the resolve of one of the veto-owning countries. (The same applies if we just generally agree not to go ahead without the agreement of "our European allies" generally--if the threat of terrorist retaliation cows several of those allies, that could be enough to stymie our plans.) I think that the last paragraph explains specifically why the United Nations is not so good for the US.
veegez wrote:
John Kerry represents exactly what I have posted about the war here. He is positioned against Bush, says he'd do things differently, but really doesn't say exactly what he'd do. I would hope that voters would demand these answers from him before they vote for him. Andrew Sullivan, Editor at the New Republic breaks down John Kerry's answers from the primary debate in Milwaukee: (click here)
I don't think Bush had all his answers to foreign policy when he was running the first time, so I don't think it's realistic to expect too much from Kerry until he's on the job. Sometimes a choice is clear when you know what you don't want. I'd vote for a doorstop, a cherry danish or an agar plate before I'd support the direction Bush is taking the US and the world.
indigo_xia wrote:
I do, but I doubt you're gonna like it. Leave the role of "world policeman" to the UN. Since the primary motivation for the Iraq invasion was oil, let's develop renewable energy sources so that we can eventually end our dependence on foreign fossil fuel. The oil and natural gas deposits are going to dry up eventually. Why wait until they do? I know I'm going to get seriously flamed for the above. Whatever. If veegez can spew right-wing, flag-waving rhetoric, I'll take up the cause for the tree-hugging hippies.
I won't flame you or label you. You just have a different view of what happened regarding Iraq/terrorism and what is currently happening than I do. About "leaving the role of the world policeman to the UN". The US really has the only resouces in the world to follow through with the enforcement part of that proposition. In which case, why would you want to have to get permission from France or Lichtenstein to protect our citizens? Tiny countries having the same say in what goes on in the world as the larger countries makes no sense, as those larger countries will carry the majority of the burden of whatever is proposed. It just creates an opportunity for those countries to ask for payoffs. "What are you gonna do for us?", they say. So then, we have to pay everybody off before we get permission to save ourselves. John Kerry represents exactly what I have posted about the war here. He is positioned against Bush, says he'd do things differently, but really doesn't say exactly what he'd do. I would hope that voters would demand these answers from him before they vote for him. Andrew Sullivan, Editor at the New Republic breaks down John Kerry's answers from the primary debate in Milwaukee: (click here)
veegez wrote:
Well, you can roll you're eyes at Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, the French, the Germans', the Russians' and the Chinese intelligence agencies for believing that Iraq had WMD's.
OK. This is for all of the people and organizations who thought that the US should ignore the UN and invade Iraq when no WMDs had been discovered in 2002.
It's outrageous to hear people on the left pretend that no one except George Bush thought that Iraq had WMDs
Please note that I never said that only Bush thought that Iraq had WMDs. Of course it wasn't just him. And I agree that Saddam was a horrible man who oppressed and murdered his own people and needed to be overthrown. However, I believe that the US shouldn't have gone rogue to do so. I have yet to be convinced that Iraq had any WMDs and/or ties to Al Quaeda during the months leading up to the invasion that threatened America. IMO the Bush administration played up the information that supported their political agenda. Having failed to take out Osama bin Laden, they wanted to punish someone for 9-11 and get their hands on Iraq's oil.
Got a better, REALISTIC, VIABLE idea? Fine. State it.
I do, but I doubt you're gonna like it. Leave the role of "world policeman" to the UN. Since the primary motivation for the Iraq invasion was oil, let's develop renewable energy sources so that we can eventually end our dependence on foreign fossil fuel. The oil and natural gas deposits are going to dry up eventually. Why wait until they do? I know I'm going to get seriously flamed for the above. Whatever. If veegez can spew right-wing, flag-waving rhetoric, I'll take up the cause for the tree-hugging hippies.
indigo_xia wrote:
Now in hindsight Saddam appears to have been a sadistic, paranoid tyrant without a single WMD. To each his own hype, I guess.
EDIT: It only "appears" that way because people are attempting to re-write history. The record and facts combine to show otherwise.
veegez wrote:
Say it enough times, and maybe some people will believe the hype, whether it is true or not.
"People believing the hype" works for Bush supporters as well. Look at how many Americans supported invading Iraq because of the "imminent threat" of Saddam and his weapons of mass destruction. Now in hindsight Saddam appears to have been a sadistic, paranoid tyrant without a single WMD. To each his own hype, I guess.
Veegez, maybe you're the one who knows where all the WMD are. Apparantly you seem to know more than the rest of us about how wonderful the Bush administration is. veegez wrote:
The misinformation being bandied about regarding the Patriot Act being is staggering. I doubt Ricki has a clue about what it really does. But it sure is fun to bash Bush. Everyone together now "Bush Lied!". Good. Now try this. "John Ashcroft is the Devil!" Good. In unison, "The Patriot Act is the beginning of a new Nazi regime in America!" Better. Say it enough times, and maybe some people will believe the hype, whether it is true or not.
Shimmer wrote:
Dear idiot: I don't agree with what you say, but I will defend with my life your right to say it.
What a pantload! When are we ever going to hear a song from the Right? How about some Toby Keith?
I like it. Nice funky groove and licks, and it makes a point that seems to get easily lost. Who am us, anyway?
orpheus wrote:
bla bla bla :iamwith:
Nice ass. Pardon the double entendre. ;)
veegez wrote:
The misinformation being bandied about regarding the Patriot Act being is staggering. I doubt Ricki has a clue about what it really does. But it sure is fun to bash Bush. Everyone together now "Bush Lied!". Good. Now try this. "John Ashcroft is the Devil!" Good. In unison, "The Patriot Act is the beginning of a new Nazi regime in America!" Better. Say it enough times, and maybe some people will believe the hype, whether it is true or not.
bla bla bla :iamwith:
chinacat wrote:
This is evidently about the Bush/Ashcroft conspiricy to dilute our privicy in the name of Homeland Security. So we can bascially through you in jail for no good reason and hold you there for as long as we like without explanation. Gets an 8 for just making the point. You won't hear about it on Fox News that's for sure.
The misinformation being bandied about regarding the Patriot Act being is staggering. I doubt Ricki has a clue about what it really does. But it sure is fun to bash Bush. Everyone together now "Bush Lied!". Good. Now try this. "John Ashcroft is the Devil!" Good. In unison, "The Patriot Act is the beginning of a new Nazi regime in America!" Better. Say it enough times, and maybe some people will believe the hype, whether it is true or not.
Illustr8r wrote:
If the Patriot Act ... forces a few malcontents to think twice before firing off their stupid yaps, more power to it.
Dear idiot: I don't agree with what you say, but I will defend with my life your right to say it.
Can I get a witness?!
OK, to illustrate a bit more, for those who may have trouble wrapping their minds around the idea that Fascism (or "proto-fascism") could be a dominant political movement in our country: From wordiq.com: ( https://www.wordiq.com/cgi-bin/knowledge/lookup.cgi?title=Fascism ):
"The word fascism has come to mean any system of government resembling Mussolini's, that exalts nation and often race above the individual, and uses violence and modern techniques of propaganda and censorship to forcibly suppress political opposition, engages in severe economic and social regimentation, and espouses nationalism and sometimes racism (ethnic nationalism)... "... Unlike the pre-World War II period, when many groups openly and proudly proclaimed themselves fascist, in the post-World War II period the term has taken on an extremely pejorative meaning, largely in reaction to the crimes against humanity undertaken by the Nazis. Today, very few groups proclaim themselves as fascist, and the term almost universally is used for groups for whom the speaker has little regard, often with minimal understanding of what the term actually means. As George Orwell in his 1946 essay "Politics and the English Language" famously complained, "The word Fascism has now no meaning except in so far as it signifies 'something not desirable.'" This negative association makes it unlikely that the fascist label will be used or accepted by any future regimes... "... The most common feature of fascism cited in contrast to socialism is the fact that neither Hitler nor Mussolini nationalized their nations' industries. Some contend that this difference is also more cosmetic than actual, since both leaders used extreme regulation to control industry, while leaving them in the hands of their owners... "... It is also possible, since Fascism incorporates corporatism, that a Fascist regime may de-facto nationalize certain key industries, simply by maintaining close personal and/or business relationships with the corporations' owners."
Hmmm... "... close personal and/or business relationships with the corporations' owners." Sounds familiar. Anyone ever heard of Halliburton, and the fact that VP Cheney was previously Chairman of the Board? Is it just a coincidence that Halliburton was among a select few chosen to participate in the closed "bidding" process for reconstruction of Iraq? (There were lots of other corporate ties there, too.) Look at the increasing trend toward consolidation of ownership of a wide spectrum of industries in the US, the giant corporations and multinationals becoming ever more monolithic and powerful, reducing "free competition in the marketplace" (one of the conceptual cornerstones, supposedly, of capitalism). Look at the Bush Administration's attempt to further concentrate media ownership (using their lackey in the FCC, Chairman Michael Powell) into the hands of a few giant media conglomerates. (Which would conveniently reduce the diversity of viewpoints and voices in the media.) So, there is a powerful movement, a la fascist systems, to "control industry", in a sense, by encouraging the acceleration of concentration of corporate ownership. By placing within the government those who would do the bidding of the giant mega-corporations and multinationals (and international bankers), and advance their agenda through legislation (FCC "deregulation") and public policy implemented by the various federal agencies, this is all being accomplished under our very noses. The supposed capitalist principles of "free market competition" are being debased and eroded, and small and medium businesses are being decimated by the mega-corporations. Consequently, we see an increasing concentration of wealth into the hands of fewer citizens, a shrinking, harried and worried middle class, and a growing working poor underclass. The "new capitalism" in action. Yes, you can argue that this is not classic Fascism. So, for the sake of argument, we'll call it "proto-fascism." As Alan Spector wrote: ( https://csf.colorado.edu/mail/psn/2003/msg03238.html )
"There is something of a "loose-but-somewhat-coherent core" of social-political philosophy that holds the theoretical concept of fascism together. It is important to understand this. It is the attempt of capitalism in crisis to create a kind of all-class unity (in ultimate support of the capitalists) and to create a coherent grand theory with which the majority of the population can identify and draw both comfort and inspiration from. Of course it must marginalize, isolate, eventually attack those who don't cooperate, including those who fight against exploitation and for working class interests and, of course, others who are deemed to not "fit in" with the capitalist-imposed order, such as anti-war groups, ethnic minorities, etc. "My main point is that the fascists, themselves, and various proto-fascist (there's "that word" again, meaning, consistent with many aspects of fascist ideology, but not necessarily a declared fascist) politicians and ideologues do freely contradict/ abandon basic aspects of their philosophy when it suits them."
Characterize the policies however you will: "kinder and gentler" (Bush I), "compassionate conservative" (Bush II)... "A rose by any other name is still a rose." And a Fascist by any other name is still a Fascist, in my book. steve PS: And this does all tie in with the Patriot Act. A hastily-enacted law ushered in by conveniently using (and whipping up) a climate of Fear, and targetted not only toward "terrorists" but also, potentially and probably, our own citizens.
Pipes wrote:
There are those that see yet comprehend not!
What's not to comprehend? This is all about empire. Not "democracy" or "freedom." (Just convenient, tug-at-the-heart-strings catch phrases.) If we really cared about those things, we would not have supported so many dictatorial regimes in the past. Such as Saddam Hussein, Sukharno, Pinochet, Somoza, Noriega, the ARENA death squad fascists in El Salvador, Rios Montt in Guatemala, Diem in Vietnam, Idi "Cannibal" Amin in Uganda... the list goes on and on. Remember, Harry Truman said about Somoza, "He's a son of a bitch, but he's our son of a bitch!" Oil. Power. Enrichment of the corporate megaliths. "Globalization" and global domination by American multinationals, backed up by overwhelming military force. That's not my idea of democratic ideals. steve
heliosweb wrote:
"There are none so blind as those who will not see." steve
There are those that see yet comprehend not!
Pipes wrote:
Now look up the defenition of alarmist!
"There are none so blind as those who will not see." steve
heliosweb wrote:
So, let's not any of us be "up to something", or even "KNOW someone who's up to something." Let's just all keep our mouths shut, our minds closed to all divergent ("subversive") viewpoints, and be good goose-stepping citizens in support Bush and Co. in this great "first war of the 21st century." After all, if current trends are any indication, we can all look forward to many more great and glorious wars to come. Oh, what joy! "Onward Fascist soldiers, marching as to war..." steve
Now look up the defenition of alarmist! Or just look in the mirror.
heliosweb wrote:
So, let's not any of us be "up to something", or even "KNOW someone who's up to something." Let's just all keep our mouths shut, our minds closed to all divergent ("subversive") viewpoints, and be good goose-stepping citizens in support Bush and Co. in this great "first war of the 21st century." After all, if current trends are any indication, we can all look forward to many more great and glorious wars to come. Oh, what joy! "Onward Fascist soldiers, marching as to war..." steve
Now look up the defenition of alarmist!
Illustr8r wrote:
... Nobody's throwing... ME in jail because I'm NOT GIVING THEM A REASON TO, and neither is (are) the majority of Americans. If the Patriot Act jails the guilty and forces a few malcontents to think twice before firing off their stupid yaps, more power to it. Seems to me the ones howling the loudest about the PA are either up to something or KNOW someone who's up to something...
OH, MY GOD! We better not give them a REASON to throw any of us in jail! Let's just all march in lockstep, Brown Shirt fashion, and not swim against the tide of rising Fascism. (Yes, I said FASCISM!) "Oh, there's no Fascism here in the good ol' USA!", you say? "That was way back in Mussolini's time, and we don't have to worry about that anymore...", you would assure us. Think again! In these days of historical AMNESIA, most Americans, I think, don't know what Fascism is, and wouldn't recognize it if they saw it in their own back yards. (If we would only open our eyes.) :-# Mussolini's definition of Fascism? Benito Mussolini wrote in 1932: b_mussolini wrote:
"Fascism, the more it considers and observes the future and the development of humanity quite apart from political considerations of the moment, believes neither in the possibility nor the utility of perpetual peace. It thus repudiates the doctrine of Pacifism -- born of a renunciation of the struggle and an act of cowardice in the face of sacrifice. War alone brings up to its highest tension all human energy and puts the stamp of nobility upon the peoples who have courage to meet it... "After Socialism, Fascism combats the whole complex system of democratic ideology, and repudiates it, whether in its theoretical premises or in its practical application. Fascism denies that the majority, by the simple fact that it is a majority, can direct human society; it denies that numbers alone can govern by means of a periodical consultation, and it affirms the immutable, beneficial, and fruitful inequality of mankind, which can never be permanently leveled through the mere operation of a mechanical process such as universal suffrage... "... Fascism denies, in democracy, the absurd conventional untruth of political equality dressed out in the garb of collective irresponsibility, and the myth of "happiness" and indefinite progress... "... given that the nineteenth century was the century of Socialism, of Liberalism, and of Democracy, it does not necessarily follow that the twentieth century must also be a century of Socialism, Liberalism and Democracy: political doctrines pass, but humanity remains, and it may rather be expected that this will be a century of authority... a century of Fascism. For if the nineteenth century was a century of individualism it may be expected that this will be the century of collectivism and hence the century of the State... (Note particularly this piece:) "...The Fascist State organizes the nation, but leaves a sufficient margin of liberty to the individual; the latter is deprived of all useless and possibly harmful freedom, but retains what is essential; the deciding power in this question cannot be the individual, but the State alone... "... For Fascism, the growth of empire, that is to say the expansion of the nation, is an essential manifestation of vitality, and its opposite a sign of decadence. Peoples which are rising... are always imperialist; and renunciation is a sign of decay and of death... "... But empire demands discipline, the coordination of all forces and a deeply felt sense of duty and sacrifice: this fact explains many aspects of the practical working of the regime, the character of many forces in the State, and the necessarily severe measures (can you say "Patriot Act"?) which must be taken against those who would oppose this spontaneous and inevitable movement of Italy (read USA) in the twentieth (read 21st) century... "... If every age has its own characteristic doctrine, there are a thousand signs which point to Fascism as the characteristic doctrine of our time." - Italian Encyclopedia, 1932
So, let's not any of us be "up to something", or even "KNOW someone who's up to something." Let's just all keep our mouths shut, our minds closed to all divergent ("subversive") viewpoints, and be good goose-stepping citizens in support Bush and Co. in this great "first war of the 21st century." After all, if current trends are any indication, we can all look forward to many more great and glorious wars to come. Oh, what joy! "Onward Fascist soldiers, marching as to war..." steve
orpheus wrote:
you got that right! probably our only hope this year (since the dems are having trouble getting their act together) is that the idiot known as "dubya" wants to go to freakin' mars now with our tax money. maybe that'll be the only thing to wake up so-called patriots who wouldn't know their rights were being violated no matter how far they were bent over. TESTIFY-NOBUSH'04!! :o :( :) :D :x :!: :!: 8O 8O :ziplip: :ziplip: <-X <-X #-o :nodhead:
Your wheel is turning but your hamster is dead! :-$
DBCinCA wrote:
Malcontents should have to think twice about free speech?? Sorry pal, but stupid speech, including yours, deserves as much protection as speech that we agree with. The First Ammendment is pretty clear on that point, in that it makes no distinctions. And people opposed to the Patriot Act come from a variety of backgrounds. On the right and the left, those who know history - American history, world history - know that a majority willing to sacrifice civil rights for the illusion of security will end up with fewer rights and less security. Not-Bush '04!
you got that right! probably our only hope this year (since the dems are having trouble getting their act together) is that the idiot known as "dubya" wants to go to freakin' mars now with our tax money. maybe that'll be the only thing to wake up so-called patriots who wouldn't know their rights were being violated no matter how far they were bent over. TESTIFY-NOBUSH'04!! :o :( :) :D :x :!: :!: 8O 8O :ziplip: :ziplip: <-X <-X #-o :nodhead:
Illustr8r wrote:
Nobody's throwing (excuse me, "through"ing) ME in jail because I'm NOT GIVING THEM A REASON TO, and neither is the majority of Americans. If the Patriot Act jails the guilty and forces a few malcontents to think twice before firing off their stupid yaps, more power to it. Seems to me the ones howling the loudest about the PA are either up to something or KNOW someone who's up to something...
Malcontents should have to think twice about free speech?? Sorry pal, but stupid speech, including yours, deserves as much protection as speech that we agree with. The First Ammendment is pretty clear on that point, in that it makes no distinctions. And people opposed to the Patriot Act come from a variety of backgrounds. On the right and the left, those who know history - American history, world history - know that a majority willing to sacrifice civil rights for the illusion of security will end up with fewer rights and less security. Not-Bush '04!
Wuh oh. Rickie Lee Jones is mad at Bush. Bush is in reeeeeal trouble now: the singer of "Chuckie's In Love" is p*ssed. Look out! I can't believe RLJ's so miffed that she actually had to go into a recording studio and record a song about it. It took the power of Hate to get her off her *ss and write a song. And a mediocre one at that. Not even ONE "doyt doyt". Nobody's throwing (excuse me, "through"ing) ME in jail because I'm NOT GIVING THEM A REASON TO, and neither is the majority of Americans. If the Patriot Act jails the guilty and forces a few malcontents to think twice before firing off their stupid yaps, more power to it. Seems to me the ones howling the loudest about the PA are either up to something or KNOW someone who's up to something... PS - More VAST.
I love the vibe of this song - it's got this great hippie-like, go-tell-it-on-the-mountain feel that feels like the '70s but with a very 21st century message. Kudos for RLJ for an overall great (and politically angry) CD!
chinacat wrote:
This is evidently about the Bush/Ashcroft conspiricy to dilute our privicy in the name of Homeland Security. So we can bascially through you in jail for no good reason and hold you there for as long as we like without explanation. Gets an 8 for just making the point. You won't hear about it on Fox News that's for sure.
Amen, brother (sister)! An extra point from me also.
This is evidently about the Bush/Ashcroft conspiricy to dilute our privicy in the name of Homeland Security. So we can bascially through you in jail for no good reason and hold you there for as long as we like without explanation. Gets an 8 for just making the point. You won't hear about it on Fox News that's for sure.
Oppose the Patriot Act! Buy your books and CD's with cash! (Shucks, I think I'm gonna be flagged for saying that :( ).