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Porcupine Tree — Even Less
Album: Stupid Dream
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Released: 1999
Length: 6:08
Plays (last 30 days): 1
A body is washed up on a Norfolk beach
He was a friend that I could not reach
He thought I was cold but I understand
But for the grace of god goes another man

And I may just waste away from doing nothing
But you're a martyr for even less, for even less, for even less

A choirboy is buried on the moor
Where we used to go dreaming when we were bored
Some kids are best left to fend for themselves
And others were born to stack shelves

And I may just waste away from doing nothing
But you're a martyr for even less, for even less, for even less

For even less
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Man I wish Steven would get the band back together.  I unfortunately discovered them after they broke up.
MORE Even Less...Does that make sense?
 Stevexcess wrote:
Another PT song heard for the 1st time on Radio Paradise, thank you again for another introduction. {#Cheers}
 

You need to buy the album. One of the best PT.
Woof!

"And I may just waste away from doing nothing 
But you're a martyr for even less, for even less, for even less "

The singer also exclaims that he might be cold; and baby that's about as cold a statement as a person can make isn't it?  Cold as it gets.  Brrrrr.   A complete smack-down on anyone engaged in that rarefied art of self-pity.    

Yet so true.  Nobody get's outta here alive, so while we play this game called Life each and every one of us players must find our own way.  Or not.

So it goes.

Highlow
American Net'Zen
What a band. Seen them at small festivals years ago. The only reason they're not dominating the charts now is because of all the overhyped shite that is
Love it !!                      
 gregdei wrote:
Porcupine Tree is the reason why I discovered Radio Paradise. I was searching for a webradio station that plays Porcupine Tree.
That's probably ten years ago...
I'm still gratefull!
 
You bet.... just the other way around for me!

RP onto  PT =  HC           (happy chappie)

Thanks Bill and Rebecca
Porcupine Tree is the reason why I discovered Radio Paradise. I was searching for a webradio station that plays Porcupine Tree.
That's probably ten years ago...
I'm still gratefull!
Love that sneaky transition from the NUMBERS at end of this track, into "Rikki Don't Lost That Number."
That's the reason I keep coming back to RP for long-term listening. {#Guitarist}
radiohead, porcupine tree good. norah jones bad. is that about right?
Every time I hear these guys I find myself clicking over to the RP tab... bought 1 CD already -- must buy MORE !
Another PT song heard for the 1st time on Radio Paradise, thank you again for another introduction. {#Cheers}
Have already commented two years ago, feel compelled to do so again: This is just gorgeous. Maybe only the second time I hear it here [as confirmed by RP itself ;-)], but the intro made go "Ok, this is SO familiar, I just can't put my finger on it"... I have bought another Porcupine album after hearing it here... and I can't reproduce the emotion at home. It seems like I need Porcupine to take me off guard ;-)
Radio Paradise, and this song, introduced me to the wonder that is Porcupine Tree.
{#Cheers}

Fing ya, man.
It seems from reviewing the comments that every 5 years I just have to check in and write about this amazing song. It STILL blows me away every time I hear it. Thank you RP for introducing me to it. 

That numbers station. I listen endlessly, hoping that someday I will understand the message and that when I do it will be for me. 
Man, do I AGREE!  Discovered them on RP, love them, and any PT, any time.  I'm actually responding to the previous comment,  about loving this band, and RP for introducing me to them.

 
westslope wrote:

That is Steven Wilson on lead guitar.  Steven Wilson can also sometimes sound like Steve Howe of Yes or Andrew Latimer of Camel.  Sometimes he just sounds like Steven Wilson.

This is bombastic prog rock at its best.   I love to hum along with the first few bars.
 

 Rockit wrote:
You know what? If a friend at work never told me about RP I  probably never would have discovered
this very cool group & many other artists. I count my blessings!

 

Even More so.....Even More So....
Aww, the number station recording outro!
Towards the end that repetitive and harsh slashing of the guitar with all its nasty distortion is so incredibly annoying.  Sorry to anyone who loves that song.
Nice find Relayer.  

I think I can see why he changed the lyrics.
I found the original lyrics of the demo that he released (on yet one of his many many off-release compilations/bonus tracks), and the point of the song is very much stronger when you read his original lyrics:

A body is washed up on a norfolk beach

Where I used to build castles in the sticky heat

A cyclone destroys an ancient site

A killer strikes twice in one night

But Jesus was crucified for doing nothing

And God is worshiped for even less

A choir boy is buried on the moor

A nine-year-old is forced to be a whore

Some kids are best left to fend for themselves

And others are born to stack shelves

But Jesus was crucified for doing nothing

And God is worshiped for even less

Sometimes I wander and forget myself

I'm just escaping while I stack these shelves

But Jesus was crucified for doing nothing

And God is worshiped for even less

 rabaak wrote:
This song came on, from a compilation cd that I had made several years ago, in the car with my wife and I driving somewhere.  

A mid-50's friend of my had just succumbed to alcoholism after battling with it for most of his adult life.

We both had tears in our eyes at the end of the song. Yet we were also somewhat uplifted by the fact that this song had captured what we were feeling at the time. It was a moment when music spoke to us about ann event in our lives.

I will forever think of my friend Dan whenever I hear this song.  

 
I lost my mother to alcohol, so I can relate a bit.  After reading the lyrics, your story is that much more amazing.  Isn't it funny how the right song seems to come along at just the right time?
This song came on, from a compilation cd that I had made several years ago, in the car with my wife and I driving somewhere.  

A mid-50's friend of my had just succumbed to alcoholism after battling with it for most of his adult life.

We both had tears in our eyes at the end of the song. Yet we were also somewhat uplifted by the fact that this song had captured what we were feeling at the time. It was a moment when music spoke to us about ann event in our lives.

I will forever think of my friend Dan whenever I hear this song.  
oh Porcupine Tree - please come back to me...
Truly staggering sound, with a heart-felt monumental message here! One of the first PT songs I heard on RP back in '01 or so. Thanks!
 AndyMcc wrote:
Who's the lead guitar at the end? Sounds almost like David Gilmour!

 
That is Steven Wilson on lead guitar.  Steven Wilson can also sometimes sound like Steve Howe of Yes or Andrew Latimer of Camel.  Sometimes he just sounds like Steven Wilson.

This is bombastic prog rock at its best.   I love to hum along with the first few bars.
Who's the lead guitar at the end? Sounds almost like David Gilmour!
 madsci61 wrote:
This has to be one of the worst songs I have ever heard on RP.  What is next, Styx and Journey?  If I want to hear this crap I can turn on bad FM radio.  The only good part of the song was the ending.

 
{#Chillpill}    {#Ask}  {#Moon}

I discovered Porcupine Tree through RP, and it's one of the reasons I hang out here. Almost any PT, any time...  You can go pick your own personal musical poison on Pandora if you like...
And, for the record, I wouldn't object to some Styx or Journey either. 

Really lovin this one and most of the other PT stuff...especially Fadeaway without Steve Wilson vocals..really nice guitar work ...Thanks to RP for turning me on to these guys and My Morning Jacket some years ago.
 the_jake wrote:
Porcupine Tree rocks especially on Radio Paradise!

 
yes, and this fact isn't wrong at all. The band deserves it
Saturday afternoon alternative to the rugby commentary. Loving it!
Radio City Music Hall. PT. This song. Unforgettable.
 madsci61 wrote:
This has to be one of the worst songs I have ever heard on RP.  What is next, Styx and Journey?  If I want to hear this crap I can turn on bad FM radio.  The only good part of the song was the ending.

 
You will never hear this on FM radio.
Porcupine Tree rocks especially on Radio Paradise!
 madsci61 wrote:
This has to be one of the worst songs I have ever heard on RP.  What is next, Styx and Journey?  If I want to hear this crap I can turn on bad FM radio.  The only good part of the song was the ending.

 
How about you turn on your FM...
I love this CD and love this opening song on the CD.  

For bold, brassy bombastic prog, it does not get any better.   The writing is stellar.

I just put the headphones on for this one.   
This has to be one of the worst songs I have ever heard on RP.  What is next, Styx and Journey?  If I want to hear this crap I can turn on bad FM radio.  The only good part of the song was the ending.
I love this entire album (don't even get me started on Tinto Brass!) but yeah, the opening track is a thing of beauty. {#Roflol}
 wgsu_1978 wrote:
Big prog rock hooks are like crack to me, and this is one. Crimsonesque.
 
Yes! Really like this tune. I saw them open for Coheed and Cambria here a couple of years ago, a terrible match which the band called out up front, apologizing for not being a band to slam dance to. They played a good set, but left me wanting to see them where they had there own show. I could imagine some great visuals to go with the thoughtful music and those big prog rock hooks.

{#Stop}

Yes please, even less.......please.


 Highlowsel wrote:
Hmmmm.....an angry friend singing about anothers suicide. 

"....but you're a martyr for even less...."

Closure issues you think? 

 
Interesting comment.  

Angry?  No.  Frustrated, helpless?  Yes. 
Massive music, totally enthralling, wow.

So weird that that big guitar riff feels so familiar, yet I really don't know Porcupine Tree except for a couple of *other* tunes that play on RP.

I feel really good about all the positive comments here and the high rating, as I really dig this {#Sunny}
...yeah, now and then I have the weakness to enjoy it when lots of people share my taste...
 {#Yes}me too..I was a short wave addict   mechanicus wrote:


Freaky I used to listen and record this station when I was young. Always wondering who was on the other end pumping numbers, not realising that it must have been a tape. And always wondering what hidden message was underneath in this age of cold war.
 

 

Big prog rock hooks are like crack to me, and this is one. Crimsonesque.

As a former shortwave DX'er the numbers station readout also appeals to me.
 Mobius_Girl wrote:
 Mobius_Girl wrote:
Any chance you have Steve Wilson's other band music project songs uploaded on here?  I love "Where is My Love?"  That was the very first song I heard with Steve Wilson co-singing lead.  I also love "Scars", and and other gosh so many more from his other project too.
 HTTPS://m.YouTube.com/?#/watch?v=FF79zvZok48
Backfield was the other band Steve Wilson has had music project with among a few others..This vid is a cool introductory for Blackfield for anyone who is just starting to discover Porcupine Tree and enjoys Steve Wilson's many talents.  Cheers!
 
There are 12 Blackfield songs and 6 Steven Wilson solo songs on the RP playlist, in addition to the 53 PT songs.
 Mobius_Girl wrote:
Any chance you have Steve Wilson's other band music project songs uploaded on here?  I love "Where is My Love?"  That was the very first song I heard with Steve Wilson co-singing lead.  I also love "Scars", and and other gosh so many more from his other project too.
 HTTPS://m.YouTube.com/?#/watch?v=FF79zvZok48
Backfield was the other band Steve Wilson has had music project with among a few others..This vid is a cool introductory for Blackfield for anyone who is just starting to discover Porcupine Tree and enjoys Steve Wilson's many talents.  Cheers!
Any chance you have Steve Wilson's other band music project songs uploaded on here?  I love "Where is My Love?"  That was the very first song I heard with Steve Wilson co-singing lead.  I also love "Scars", and and other gosh so many more from his other project too.
 Mobius_Girl wrote:
Oh my..I am new here and you are playing, Porcupine Tree..Tipped!!!!
 
I LOVE THIS PLACE!!!  :D
Oh my..I am new here and you are playing, Porcupine Tree..Tipped!!!!
{#Sunny}
 stunix wrote:
A killer riff, and detailed production, even maybe a little over produced in a classic prog rock style.
I would be unjust to music in general if I was to rate this any less than a rare 10.   

I saw Wilsons Hand.Cannot.Erase tour recently.   He deserves credit for his ongoing work.
 

 
Ditto, my first SW show and worth waiting for, though I wish I'd seen PT several times in the 2000's.

10 it is. 
 dtown40 wrote:
Thanks for sharing this Radio Paradise...... you are awesome.  Great tune!

 

Ditto
Thanks for sharing this Radio Paradise...... you are awesome.  Great tune!
A killer riff, and detailed production, even maybe a little over produced in a classic prog rock style.
I would be unjust to music in general if I was to rate this any less than a rare 10.   

I saw Wilsons Hand.Cannot.Erase tour recently.   He deserves credit for his ongoing work.
 
Recordings should be delivered sometime during the month of June.  
Check out the extended version of "Even Less" on the PTree recording, "Recordings."
Fun stuff.
 ico wrote:

this end of song is point to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincolnshire_Poacher_(numbers_station) :)

 

Freaky I used to listen and record this station when I was young. Always wondering who was on the other end pumping numbers, not realising that it must have been a tape. And always wondering what hidden message was underneath in this age of cold war.
 
 ico wrote:

this end of song is point to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincolnshire_Poacher_(numbers_station) :)

 
Hmmmm......I just learned something I didn't know.  Thanks for that....and it actually makes the song a bit more poignant there at the end.  This probably being the whole point? 

Highlow
American Net'Zen
 ico wrote:

this end of song is point to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincolnshire_Poacher_(numbers_station) :)

 
Thanks for the info. I wasn't aware of the significance {#Cheers}
 squidish wrote:
Love this song except for the end.  2-2-0-1, 2-2-0-2, 2-2-0-6...blah blah.

Goes on too long.

 
I agree - there's something really creepy about that woman's tone of voice, too.
        Spectacular beginning....hope the rest lives up to the start......{#Bananajam}.....so far   {#Bananajam}good....
 squidish wrote:
Love this song except for the end.  2-2-0-1, 2-2-0-2, 2-2-0-6...blah blah.

Goes on too long.

 
this end of song is point to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincolnshire_Poacher_(numbers_station) :)


Love this song except for the end.  2-2-0-1, 2-2-0-2, 2-2-0-6...blah blah.

Goes on too long.
 Do you remember 'Happy Station' in Hilversum Holland, with Jerry and Dotti Colin ?  I listened to Radio Moscow, Radio Czechoslovakia in Prague, Radio Kiev.  A pirate station in Lagos Nigeria, Pyongyang, Radio Peking and countless others.  I sincerely regret not hanging on to my numerous QSL cards. They decorated my bedroom walls..I'd often dream of traveling to these distant lands..I guess it is never too late  {#Cheers}  fredriley wrote:

Yes, so was I in my teens. (For kids of the Net generation reading, SW was the only semi-reliable way of international broadcasting in the pre-Internet days, hence its use by spies.) Back in the Cold War days, SW radio was...interesting, to say the least. My favourite was Radio Tirana, from the seriously weird and extremely repressive and isolationist Albania (Enver Hoxha's Albania made North Korea seem like a beacon of openness and rationality), which had some pretty 'idiosyncratic' takes on world events many of which were unintentionally comic. Like ROTFL, dude :o)

I still have a SW radio at home, though it only has a couple of bands. I must crank it up again to see what remains on the airwaves.

 





 Rockit wrote:


Even Less has even more than most tunes!

 
LOL!  The lyrics are a nice original comment on futility all the same.  Futility:  one of Steven Wilson's repeating themes. 
Most excellent ...{#Daisy}{#Bounce}{#Daisy}
What an amazing band this is ,, they approach their music with such venom and adventurism , reminds me of so many of the 60's bands not at all feared of experimenting. They certainly get my applause.
Very nice!
Hmmmm.....an angry friend singing about anothers suicide. 

"....but you're a martyr for even less...."

Closure issues you think? 
I never clued into this group before a year ago. It's almost like I never heard of radio head. fugnabit.
Without RP I wouldn't have found Porcupine Tree. Without Porcupine Tree I wouldn't have found The Pineapple Thief and great music keeps coming due to RP Thank you
I feel like I won a great prize when a Porcupine Tree or Steven Wilson/World-Of-Wilson song plays on RP while I'm listening. :-)

{#Bounce} 


Even Less has even more than most tunes!
I'm another one that without RP I wouldn't have never heard this band and many many other great ones (FM radio sucks)
What they said!!


Beastie wrote:
I hear that. Porcupine Tree, Afro Celt Sound System, Puddle of Mudd and many others were also introduced to me by RP. Although, to be fair, I discovered RP by clicking in one of the "recommended" web stations  in Internet Explorer or something like that. Maybe even while looking for "web radios" in Google. 
I "pay it forward" by recommending RP to everyone interested in music through the Internet. Long Live Radio Paradise!

Rockit wrote:
You know what? If a friend at work never told me about RP I  probably never would have discovered
this very cool group & many other artists. I count my blessings!

 



 


 Carl wrote:

Don't know why it's not in iTunes Store but you can get it on Amazon (although the cover differs) or SoundsBox.

 
Wilson isn't fond of iTunes/downloads etc.
I hear that. Porcupine Tree, Afro Celt Sound System, Puddle of Mudd and many others were also introduced to me by RP. Although, to be fair, I discovered RP by clicking in one of the "recommended" web stations  in Internet Explorer or something like that. Maybe even while looking for "web radios" in Google. 
I "pay it forward" by recommending RP to everyone interested in music through the Internet. Long Live Radio Paradise!

Rockit wrote:
You know what? If a friend at work never told me about RP I  probably never would have discovered
this very cool group & many other artists. I count my blessings!

 


 FourFortyEight wrote:
Damnit... Can't buy this?? Wtf??
 
Don't know why it's not in iTunes Store but you can get it on Amazon (although the cover differs) or SoundsBox.
 fredriley wrote:

Yes, so was I in my teens. (For kids of the Net generation reading, SW was the only semi-reliable way of international broadcasting in the pre-Internet days, hence its use by spies.) Back in the Cold War days, SW radio was...interesting, to say the least. My favourite was Radio Tirana, from the seriously weird and extremely repressive and isolationist Albania (Enver Hoxha's Albania made North Korea seem like a beacon of openness and rationality), which had some pretty 'idiosyncratic' takes on world events many of which were unintentionally comic. Like ROTFL, dude :o)

I still have a SW radio at home, though it only has a couple of bands. I must crank it up again to see what remains on the airwaves.

 

Once upon a time in the late 1970s I stuck my thumb out over a 5 year period and managed to cover a good chunk of South America and Africa.  The coolest ex-pats always had SW radios.  The coolest local intellectuals always had SW radios.  

I'll bet big money--C$100K--that 'spies' are still using SW radio.  Safer and more reliable than other techniques that are easily monitored.


Damnit... Can't buy this?? Wtf??
You know what? If a friend at work never told me about RP I  probably never would have discovered
this very cool group & many other artists. I count my blessings!

 mistabird wrote:
Einfach guter Sound    !!
 
Ja! {#Cheers}
Numbers stations still creep me out but I just turned this up so....good song. giving it a nine
 edit:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wvr6o7fBcTY

Einfach guter Sound    !!
Love this band, have not heard this track.
Number stations just creep me out.
 1wolfy wrote:
Love this !!  As a kid I was really into short wave radio...i'd often listen to the "numbers" and marvel at their secret meanings
 
Yes, so was I in my teens. (For kids of the Net generation reading, SW was the only semi-reliable way of international broadcasting in the pre-Internet days, hence its use by spies.) Back in the Cold War days, SW radio was...interesting, to say the least. My favourite was Radio Tirana, from the seriously weird and extremely repressive and isolationist Albania (Enver Hoxha's Albania made North Korea seem like a beacon of openness and rationality), which had some pretty 'idiosyncratic' takes on world events many of which were unintentionally comic. Like ROTFL, dude :o)

I still have a SW radio at home, though it only has a couple of bands. I must crank it up again to see what remains on the airwaves.
Amen Brother!
PT is pure awesome.
Love this !!  As a kid I was really into short wave radio...i'd often listen to the "numbers" and marvel at their secret meanings
 matz wrote:
 spy number stations? What does that mean?
 
See Wikipedia, then have a listen at Numbers Stations. I'd not heard of them before listening to this track then someone commenting on the audio clips at the end. Go back a page or two in the comments and you'll see.


I really like this song!!!
There is a great longer version of this on Recordings 2.

Hard to find but well worth it lots of extended versions, jams and demos.
 fredriley wrote:
Aw, Bill, you cut off the spy number stations sample at the end of this track, which really are eerie and complement the song. Please reinstate the cut off bits on the next play, pretty please :o)
  spy number stations? What does that mean?


Can anyone help?
What do those numbers mean the woman speaks in the outro of the song? 
LOVE PT!!!
as my ole' man would say...
      "They dont write them like this anymore!"
GENESIS 2.0
Have you heard even less on Recordings? It is so sublime.

"Fuck You and your book too, you can have it back, When I'm gone, these songs will,  Will be my tracks.

And I had a stupid dream that I could change things But I'm a martyr to even less

I hate the ground that I have walked upon Nothing I've done has ever mattered long."

Gotta love the full length version of songs. There is nothing like a 14 minute song. Steven Wilson is a master of song writing.


Indeed!
 
Canlistener wrote:
What a way to get my morning going!  Thanks Bill
 


What a way to get my morning going!  Thanks Bill
 fredriley wrote:
Aw, Bill, you cut off the spy number stations sample at the end of this track, which really are eerie and complement the song. Please reinstate the cut off bits on the next play, pretty please :o)
 
Sounds like he re-instated them. Awesome!

Aw, Bill, you cut off the spy number stations sample at the end of this track, which really are eerie and complement the song. Please reinstate the cut off bits on the next play, pretty please :o)
Slow-hand prog rock at its best.
I would love to see these guys.  Anyone know when the may tour?
Love the melancholy nature of this band.
YES, so true TheMagus wrote:
PT are a superb band who put as much energy into ensuring excellence of production as they do creating sonic masterpieces. Stupid Dream one of their best.
 


 smackiepipe wrote:

That's a great DVD, and yes, they kicked this song's ass!

 

The version on Recordings is also Damn Fine! "F* you and your book too, you can have them back!" Haunting tune.
PT are a superb band who put as much energy into ensuring excellence of production as they do creating sonic masterpieces. Stupid Dream one of their best.
That Gracie moment is one of the (many) moments that keep me a loyal RP listener. I truly love you guys.
This gets better with every listen.
Bill: Gracie needs to have her own entry in the Now Playing list.
Classic song from PT.  =9
jpdribbler wrote:
anisbet wrote:
$39.99 for the album? .....(Stupid Dream)
 
Why not try the remastered version for $14.28 (over at A.com) instead? Don't think the original mastering and artwork is worth the additional $25.71.
 
The remaster is good, especially if you can play DVD Audio. Or if you're nuts like me and have the tools and skills to rip the 5.1 tracks to disk and create your own stereo downmix. The stereo mix on the remaster is OK especially compared to today's pathetic mainstream CD mastering standards, but a straightforward stereo downmix from the surround version has so much more dynamic range.
There's also an extended version of this song amidst those 5.1 tracks.
I do miss the original artwork though


the hook smacks of "kick-ass-ness"
anisbet wrote:
$39.99 for the album? .....(Stupid Dream)
 
Why not try the remastered version for $14.28 (over at A.com) instead? Don't think the original mastering and artwork is worth the additional $25.71.


$39.99 for the album? .....(Stupid Dream)
Yea, this is one of the Tree's good'ns!{#Clap}
 Propayne wrote:
Hard for me to pick a favorite PT tune, but this comes close for me.

Check them out playing this live on the "Arriving Somewhere" concert DVD. 
 
That's a great DVD, and yes, they kicked this song's ass!